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racingguru
24 Apr 16 22:05
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Looking for cash Bet Placers for jumps season starting in Oct 2016. Profits 25%+ to stake over many many years. You do NOT get paid for this - profits by following me. Already have 6 placers who can verify me from here - all of which have done extremely well. Early price betting 8am-10am availability requirement, wheels and smart-phone essential. Must have shops that open early 8am to 8:30am daily to be considered. I provide cash up front. Must be available all week - No weekend only people.

PM if interested.
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Report Rob_The_Bantam April 24, 2016 10:16 PM BST
What is the holiday entitlement?
Report IDKW April 24, 2016 10:19 PM BST
Intrigues me this?
Just how much do you get / expect to get on pre 10am?

In my experience, shops nowadays are just an extension of the online sites..........don't want to know early on, and once known you've very little chance of £50+
Report racingguru April 25, 2016 2:47 AM BST
Can get on plenty enough b4 10am. I'm looking for maybe 1000-1500 for myself plus whatever the placers do 4 themselves. That is in total divided amongst the placers. The period is October to end April.
Report Johnny_Mustang April 25, 2016 7:44 AM BST
I'm interested but could you tell me a little more about the pension scheme and if this position also includes private health cover and /or gym membership? I'm sorry but I can't accept luncheon vouchers. Not sure if that's a deal-breaker or not.
Report racingguru April 25, 2016 3:42 PM BST
ttt - and idiots like JM, RTB need not apply.
Report TheBaron April 25, 2016 3:44 PM BST
Count me  in I could do with getting back into the Arbing game.
Report Magic__Daps April 25, 2016 3:59 PM BST
I can vouch for the OP, as have done it for the last 2 seasons.
Report s.kenbo April 25, 2016 5:50 PM BST
That's contradicting everything you've ever said on here about not be able to get a bet on. ^^^^
Report Magic__Daps April 25, 2016 6:18 PM BST
As one account holder you obviously cannot if you make a profit or beat SP, everyone knows that kenbo. Since October lost 21 to either closure, or restricted to buttons, therefore unusable.
Report s.kenbo April 25, 2016 6:32 PM BST
Online (with High St bookies) may be difficult. But you're obviously getting lumpy bets on in shop (several probably) if you're putting on for someone else and then backing it yourself too.
Report Magic__Daps April 25, 2016 6:42 PM BST
Mine are online only, plus I put other stuff through accounts to help them along, but I have lost 21 this season.
Report ProSniper April 25, 2016 6:53 PM BST
racingguru, why jumps and no flat?
Report racingguru April 25, 2016 7:03 PM BST
Because I specialise in jumps and have developed ratings for jumps (only chasers) that seem to work very well. Also its a lot of work so don't want to spread myself thin. Its Oct - End of April only - no summer jumps either - I have get my golf game better in the summer  - perks of the job I guess.
Report ProSniper April 25, 2016 7:23 PM BST
Ah, in other words you want half the year free to play golf and piss away all the profits! Laugh
Report racingguru April 25, 2016 10:18 PM BST
ttt
Report Rob_The_Bantam April 25, 2016 10:34 PM BST
ttt - and idiots like JM, RTB need not apply.

Just to clarify, am I a definite no?
Report SIR_Bond April 25, 2016 10:37 PM BST
It's like the job centre in here.. homeless and jobless looking for something to help them on their way
Report pablo-fanque April 25, 2016 11:09 PM BST
rob, it's nothing to do with your reply on this thread that you won't be considered , it's to do with your association with Zodiac

Plain
Report Rob_The_Bantam April 25, 2016 11:34 PM BST
But, but...ZODIE's got the game by the bollox...
Report racingguru April 26, 2016 3:45 PM BST
ttt
Report Rob_The_Bantam April 26, 2016 4:03 PM BST
Would I have to declare any income for tax purposes, seeing as it's derived from your instructions?
Report racingguru April 26, 2016 4:39 PM BST
Sorry RTB - I forgot to add prerequisite is an IQ>70 so that will rule you out.
Report freddiewilliams April 26, 2016 4:44 PM BST
racing....whos shops do u use most often
Report racingguru April 26, 2016 4:49 PM BST
I never step into a shop but the placers use all the main ones but generally no independants. Fred, Lad, PP & Corals would be the main ones - Hills have prices later on the whole.
Report Rob_The_Bantam April 26, 2016 5:59 PM BST
Thanks for the hilarious reply, racingguru. 

In the interests of openness, how morally and legally legitimate is the circumventing of bookie limits in this way?  If the bookie knows that you are using a team of placers, do they have the right to void any bets and could the placers be at risk of getting caught up in any subsequent money laundering investigation?  I'm not accusing you of laundering money, just wondering if it was a logical step for any of the authorities to investigate this, given the nature of what you're doing?

Have you got a working knowledge of bookies?  i.e. have you worked for any of the major firms before and, if so, which one(s)?

I'm sure that these are questions that potential recruits would be keen to have answered.
Report ItsMeSwaddle April 26, 2016 6:42 PM BST
INBOX
Report dpf April 26, 2016 8:08 PM BST
I'll vouch for the original poster. Having joined the team last year I can confirm he does exactly what he claims and is 100% straight forward and honourable. He funds in advance all his own betting activity. It's all his own hard work ratings based. and really is a proper example of how hard work pays off. I've done very well from betting during the last jumps season.

It's an excellent opportunity for anyone who has the time available and is close to a decent spread of shops that open at 8.30am or before.

Thats all I have to say and will not be drawn into any further discussion. It's a genuine opportunity. if anyone is interested PM the OP.
Report Johnny_Mustang April 26, 2016 8:15 PM BST
^ cheers Guru
Report xmoneyx April 27, 2016 3:46 AM BST
you pick races 6 or less runners

get 60 subscribers

60 divide by 6

10 show a profit
Report racingguru April 27, 2016 5:51 AM BST
xmoneyx - I have 6 placers you plum! Don't u think they'd be 50 annoyed people slagging me down if I were doing what you suggest and for you information big field chases are my forte - I don't even like small fields. Further one of the guys from here has been on 4 years, 2 at 2 years and the rest for 1 year - how does that work? I know for the many horse racing is an impossible game to beat but it is very easy especially at early odds. Just accept the fact that some people are good at it and let it be. For me I can't see how its possible that anyone makes money at footie but I know people who do - it doesn't mean they are scammers trying to sell tips to the masses.

If the bookies took my bets in full or if this place had good liquidity early morning I wouldn't need anyone but unfortunately I live in the real world and have to do my best to get round the restrictions there are in the system to optimise the advantage I have - its very simple. So if you don't have anything constructive to say or a comment that takes more than 1 brain cell to develop then I would keep it shut.

Further if no one wants to do it, its not the end of the world to me. I have 6 placers(that all want to stay on)and I'll just get more online accs or accept that my income is going to plateau at a very decent level but I like most people don't want to work forever and if I can expand my income then I'll try.
Report racingguru April 29, 2016 10:57 AM BST
ttt - last time
Report EBIN May 2, 2016 4:12 PM BST
i am interested in your post for placers i am retired with plenty of time
  and lots of betting shops where i live in wales please get in touch asp
     many thanks EBIN
Report Deltâ May 2, 2016 4:37 PM BST
beware new forum joiners = NAPPAGE
Report OliasOfSunhillow May 2, 2016 5:00 PM BST
6 placers at the moment I presume that means each one is putting on about £200 plus their own, is that correct ?.
Report 11kv May 2, 2016 5:12 PM BST
EBIN a plant from the books imo................................Shocked
Report Deltâ May 2, 2016 5:13 PM BST
I've got his number 11kv ....
Report Deltâ May 2, 2016 5:14 PM BST
wales was the step too far there ...
Report racingguru May 26, 2016 8:58 PM BST
ttt
Report Rob_The_Bantam May 26, 2016 9:03 PM BST
In the interests of openness, how morally and legally legitimate is the circumventing of bookie limits in this way?  If the bookie knows that you are using a team of placers, do they have the right to void any bets and could the placers be at risk of getting caught up in any subsequent money laundering investigation?  I'm not accusing you of laundering money, just wondering if it was a logical step for any of the authorities to investigate this, given the nature of what you're doing?

Have you got a working knowledge of bookies?  i.e. have you worked for any of the major firms before and, if so, which one(s)?

I'm sure that these are questions that potential recruits would be keen to have answered.
Report racingguru May 26, 2016 9:43 PM BST
RTB - neither is fair but all part of the game.
Report racingguru May 26, 2016 10:16 PM BST
the game is not fair RTB - bookies play unfair so we all have to adjust. Every bet we do if phoned through in mornings so its their choice whether they choose to take it or not.
Report kavvie May 26, 2016 10:31 PM BST
pm there racing guru
Report cardifffc May 26, 2016 10:43 PM BST
quite a catch...well done racingguru
Report Rob_The_Bantam May 26, 2016 11:22 PM BST
I didn't think that you'd answer any of my questions, so well done for providing half an answer to one of them.  You've exceeded my expectations.
Report only1mill May 27, 2016 12:08 AM BST
Rob the bantam = another seething bookie what's illegal about sending my mate to put a bet on? answer NOTHING ring the police be my guest hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahaha I tell u what tell me where you work and i'll come and put some business your way fk up yer Christmas bonus for ya! question - is it legally/morally right for licenced bookmakers to knock back business when it's offered? you'll say we can take or refuse bets as we please well guess what so can weTongue Out
Report racingguru May 27, 2016 2:49 AM BST
RTB - I have a code of honour having been an ex Indie - I don't bet in one man band Ops. But I lose no sleep in fleecing the big high st firms - if that helps you.
Report Wildcat Army. May 27, 2016 10:21 AM BST
I'd love to see that one go to court.

"Sorry your majesty. I could only get £25 on myself these days so I have a team of runners who get on what I want because on the imposed limits by the said firms."

Reply...

"WELL THAT'S ILLEGAL.... THAT's MONEY LAUNDERING.... NO BAIL, YOU CAN HAVE 25 YEARS IN STRANGEWAYS SO YOU CAN REFLECT ON YOUR CRIMES"
Report wondersobright May 27, 2016 1:47 PM BST
its not worth getting banged up for, don't do it
Report racingguru May 27, 2016 8:50 PM BST
8am-10am availability required and early opening shops - pm me if you have these and we can make each other loads.
Report unitedbiscuits May 28, 2016 6:21 AM BST
Some idiots on here pretending it is dubious. Anyone who thinks it is gainful employment wont be facing an argument from the police.

I think what the OP needs to do, though, is state how much below the limit he wants on in each shop, since there has to be some left for the placer at the price.
Report racingguru May 28, 2016 6:38 AM BST
I'm never going to get my full bet on at best price. I accept that. Further we are dealing with very high margins - lets just say 25%+ for arguments sake - last few years have been way higher.

Now if I ask a placer for 200 @ 6/1 and he gets me 120 @ 6/1 and 80 @ 11/2 - i'm not gonna complain or argue the toss. What he gets on for himself at what price I never ask or question. I just ask for the placer not to be betting a size that ruins it for all the team. They will make a very good income betting 1/5 my stakes.
Report racingguru May 29, 2016 7:42 AM BST
ttt
Report Rob_The_Bantam May 29, 2016 11:30 PM BST
Would the placers be liable to pay tax on any winnings, given that it's effectively agency work?  What happens if the bookie decides to void bets as it know it's being clobbered by a syndicate?  How do placers know you're not laundering cash through them?
Report racingguru May 30, 2016 5:07 AM BST
Well the existing placers would think I'm the luckiest launderer in the world. Frankly RTB you're an idiot but useful in that u bring my thread to the top.
Report Fatlad 1981 May 30, 2016 5:24 AM BST
racingguru there are many in this society that hate the fact that there are people can earn money from betting. They see Horse Racing betting as at best a recreational hobby but mostly as a platform to pi ss away money on a mugs game. Whilst if they had the intelligence,dedication,hard work,judgement,discipline and mental strength to do the same they would too CrazyWink

This is the only section of all society where you are punished for being good at something and discouraged from fulfilling your potential Sad

Strange world we live in where ignorance and jealousy are rife
Keep up the good work and all the best with your endeavours Cool
Report Fatlad 1981 May 30, 2016 6:56 AM BST
Truth is most think if you win you're lucky
If you lose you're a mug
And if you consistently win they're jealous and try to knock you
Report Magic__Daps May 30, 2016 10:16 AM BST
Rob_The_Bantam 29 May 16 23:30
Would the placers be liable to pay tax on any winnings, given that it's effectively agency work?  What happens if the bookie decides to void bets as it know it's being clobbered by a syndicate?  How do placers know you're not laundering cash through them?


Rob - It seems you are on a constant fishing expedition on here, you obviously are not stupid so why the need?

Why would any placers be liable to pay tax? They would only effectively be agency workers if they were getting paid wouldn't they? Over the years, I have placed hundreds of bets for mates when they have been busy, and they have done the same for me - shall we all contact HMRC about this as we have obviously been laundering money in your mind?
Report OssyLegend May 30, 2016 4:55 PM BST
I can get involved in this if you're still looking mate.
Report racingguru May 30, 2016 8:08 PM BST
OL - PM me and we can go from there though I think 1 or possibly 2 of the people I need now.
Report siralex May 30, 2016 8:32 PM BST
I am just wondering what betting shops allow £120 on a 6/1 chance before midday?? The only ones that i have ever come across that does in the 25 mile radius of my house are will hill and thats mainly because they have the least amount of early prices so i very rarely use them. I can see how i could get £25 or £50 on but more than that and i would be amazed!!!

Not disputing what u say at all but thats me speaking from actual experience. And most of the early opening shops round here (coral) have now stopped opening until 9 or 10.

Good luck with the venture though.
Report racingguru May 31, 2016 6:51 AM BST
I don't even go into shops - my placers get on is all I can say - yes they split up their bets but plenty of their bets are close to 1k liability. I do prefer people who live in cities - in small towns a couple of placers have experienced difficulties.
Report Wildcat Army. May 31, 2016 4:35 PM BST
Racingguru,

You got any runners or should I say, a runner in Leeds city centre at all ?
Report Rob_The_Bantam May 31, 2016 11:22 PM BST
West Yorkshire is my turf.
Report racingguru June 1, 2016 2:47 AM BST
Leeds would interest me. PM me.
Report Wildcat Army. June 1, 2016 10:43 PM BST
I've no chance... I can't get anything on these days in Leeds !!  I was only asking as there is a runner for someone in and around town, and just wondered if he worked for you, thats all :-)
Report bigal123 June 1, 2016 11:30 PM BST
Racing guru would you be interested in someone based in Belfast?
Report racingguru June 2, 2016 5:02 AM BST
bigal - yes if you have a decent selection of shops open at 8 - 8:30 with a variety of early morning odds. Be good as u deal in the pound too. PM me if you are available 8-10am and have the shops and early prices.
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