Chad Evens Lots Of Egg's On Peoples Faces Jessica Ennis needs to pick up the phone to Chadim

Rather a sordid issue to have a wager on , don't you think ?

if hes found guilty again will he be sentenced again?

What an odd thing to care so much about that you start the same thread in different forums about it. Sat there all day at work and all you can think about flipping burgers is this?

It's an extremely important issue.

Mob rule prevented a young man continuing his career having served his punishment, and now it looks like he might have been innocent after all.

looks like but maybe not, surely better  to wait till the whole thing is completed

The problem is certain people think he is guilty no matter what.

Which he might be. Certain people also think he is innocent no matter what

Seaside you are very well informed.

go on his website and read the case files...how he got a guilty is beyond me.

Tbf roida the 'go on his website' bit makes me think there's not going to be much
against him on there

Anything portraying him in a bad light unlikely to be on his own website

I'm sure that the CPS will not take him back to court but his name will forever be tarnished. The Press will never fail to mention it if ever he gets a mention in the future. After 60 odd years Lord Montague's past always gets a mention. 
Will Santander now drop Ennis from their adverts? They could drop Button now as well for all he does.

go on his website and read the case files

everything that happened is there.

He got found guilty be a 12 man jury, there will be stuff he's left off his website as well 1.01

He may or may not be innocent btw. Just wouldn't take one side off a defendant's own website as the full picture

The OP obviously doesn't understand the law and why are there lots of eggs (no need for any apostrophe btw) on people's faces, has he been found not guilty then?

Both footballers clearly too advantage of a girl so out of it that they could have done anything they liked to her and what kind of bloke with a drunk girl sends a message to his mate to come and take his turn with her and what kind of bloke races around there late at night to do so?

No doubt you will get the Neanderthals saying she was drunk and that's her fault if she was too out of it to have her senses about her, yet if someone nicks your wallet when you are drunk then how often do you get told "he obviously wanted and was asking for it" and does that mean any drunk heterosexual male is fair game to be sodomised if he is drunk too?

And the reason for the apostrophe in eggs in the original post is what?

Think it's highly likely the CPS will drop this now and he'll go free, probably with compensation.  CPS won't want to rely on their main witness again, or to be shown that they did not investigate thoroughly enough (or even, maybe, suppress evidence) at the first trial.  Just an opinion.

I thought some thing did not add up after reading what happened in the first place.

Two people stand trial for rape one gets found not guilty the other ie Chad gets found guilty now the woman says she never knew what was happening yet she has walked into the hotel of her own free will and gone up to the guy's room.

So if she never knew what was happening how come the other guy was not found guilty ? she knew what was happening or she did not you can not have it both ways.

The new evidence must be very compelling for the court to quash the conviction.

I say again there will be no way on earth she will go back to court mark my words.

ima_mazed66 you say I don't understand the law in fact I understand the law very well and I can tell you for the court of appeal to quash a conviction the evidence must be very strong indeed.

One needs to be careful what ones says as the court has ordered a retrial.

Calling people Neanderthals gets you no where in law they want the facts not name calling.

"One needs to be careful what ones says as the court has ordered a retrial"

Doesn't seem to be bothering you, seaside.

You were putting the cart before the horse seaside was what I was getting at, by saying people had egg on their face when all that has happened is that the conviction obtained at the previous trial has been quashed and a new one possibly being scheduled. None of which means he has been found innocent.

I think a fair all encompassing definition of rape would be:

Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or below the legal age of consent.

And from the facts of the case I would say a good few of the criteria has been met there and my only confusion is why both footballers were not found guilty.

My Neanderthal remark was aimed at the "she asked for it" brigade and only you can decide if you are part of that group.

He always denied guilt. Probably because he was/is innocent of the charges brought against him. Being " found " guilty does NOT mean a person IS guilty! Stefan Kiszco would vouch for that if alive. I sincerely hope all who were too ready to condemn this man based on flimsy evidence NEVER find themselves being "fitted up!"

when he almost signed for oldham a petition was set up around 80,000 names were on it so the club decided against giving him a job,oldhams average attendence is around 3,500.

Evil what happened to Stefan was an absolute tragedy and heartbreaking stuff and should be a warning to everyone to beware prejudging people on hype and hysteria. How the two coppers who stitched him up were not tried and jailed is testament to the injustices in this world.
Ima I am not a Neanderthal and I don't say 'she asked for it' but there are a chain of events that can be predicted. Unlike a drunk being robbed or assaulted. A friend's nephew a couple of months ago was knocked down by a lorry when crossing the A34, he was drunk and it was late at night. He died but the lorry driver could not be responsible, surely? In these circumstances it was a predictable chain of events. A young man meets a young lady both on a night out, they have a few drinks together and he invites her back to his hotel late at night and she agrees. I suggest what would follow could be considered to be a predictable chain of events. Wouldn't you?

brigust.

Having lived in the Area re Stefan ,to say he was stitched up is a understatement, but what big Cyril got away with was worse.
Everyman and his dog knew what he was upto,its still going on today with the grooming issue.

Have a pal who lives out in the sticks,his house over looks a municipal golf car park,hes phoned the bizzies up at last count 40 times to report it and nothing been done ,until his mrs was walking dog and the occupants of the TAXI gave her verbal abuse.He smashed the car up and now facing a crown court trial.

Cant wait for his brief to rip into them and how they can explain what they were doing parked up in a Taxi at 6am with a lone female.
When he gets a walk out its 1.01 it wont make the press .

ghostbuster

wish your mate good luck from me ,the police are a complete waste of time.

Being " found " guilty does NOT mean a person IS guilty!

Errr so q.e.d being "found" innocent does NOT mean a person IS innocent!
Whether he is found guilty of rape or not he is obviously a reprehensible individual (for admitting what he did on that night). If you think that behaviour is acceptable (whatever state the girl is in) then you need to take a long hard look at yourself and then cut your nuts off so you don't (inter) breed. I think even Evans and his (rich) entourage realise that now - in days gone by the chairman of the club would have had a quite word with Evan's type and should he repeat himself, left him to get a good kicking at the end of the season so he could just about play in the am leagues!

who is stefan?

Stefan Ivan Kiszko (24 March 1952 – 23 December 1993), a 23-year-old local tax clerk of Ukrainian/Slovenian parentage, served 16 years in prison after he was wrongly convicted of her (Lesley Moleseed) sexual assault and murder. His ordeal was described by one MP as "the worst miscarriage of justice of all time."

"I am in prison for a crime I have not committed. I am missing my mother very much....

I hope there will be a happy ending."

THOSE were the words of a gentle giant with a childlike mind in a touching letter to a family friend.

But there was to be no happy ending for social misfit Stefan Ivan Kiszko and his devoted mother, who fought tooth and nail to free her son from prison.

Jail is a daunting place for anyone convicted of murdering a child in a sexual frenzy and for Stefan Kiszko it was 16 years of unimaginable mental torture.

When 23-year-old Stefan joined the hard-cases inside Armley Jail in Leeds on Christmas Eve, 1975, the lumbering knock-kneed tax clerk was nicknamed "Oliver Laurel" because he had the girth of Oliver Hardy and the perplexed air of Olly's comedy sidekick Stan Laurel.

He was there on remand having been taken from the spotless semi-detached home he shared with his mother, Charlotte, in Rochdale. When he was convicted of Lesley's murder the following summer, he naively believed he would be proved innocent and allowed home.

Instead, he was to become the victim of one of the most shameful and prolonged miscarriages of justice in British judicial history.

He was told he would only be eligible for parole if he finally admitted to the murder of Lesley Molseed. Otherwise, he would be behind bars for the rest of his life.

But, despite the daily fear of retribution from inmates, this mild mannered `mother's boy' refused to confess to the murder. It was simple. To confess would have been a lie and he had always been taught by the mother he worshipped to tell the truth.

So how could this innocent man have been locked up for a murder that it had been impossible for him to commit? Could this physical wreck of a man have really kidnapped a girl off the street, driven her to lonely moorland, carried her up a steep hillside and then stabbed her 12 times before performing a sex act over her body?

Health problems

Like sickly Lesley Molseed, Kiszko was dogged with severe health problems as a child.

And it was nature's hand that dealt Stefan a so-cruel fate that no-one could ever deserve.

At 23, Stefan had never had a sexual thought. Two months before Lesley's murder, he was sent to the doctor by his mother because he was chronically tired. He was anaemic and also diagnosed hypogonadal - meaning his testes had never descended and he was sexually incapable.

The doctor prescribed injections of the hormone testosterone, which was to convince police that they had the right man when he was arrested four months later.

The jabs had made Stefan sexually aroused and he secretly bought girlie magazines, which police found in his car, along with sweets that could have been used to entice a child.

He also had apparently "flashed" at a teenage girl and came to the attention of police who reckoned the testosterone jabs had turned Stefan into a murderous sex fiend.

A terrified Kiszko made a police station written confession to Lesley's murder with no solicitor present. When he was eventually allowed a lawyer, he immediately retracted his "confession" but was still charged and put on trial in July 1976 at Leeds.

At court, a professor was there for the defence, preparing to say that the prescribed testosterone injections could not have turned such a man into a killer. But the defence chose not to call his evidence.

The most devastating injustice of all was vital evidence that the police never put before the court.

There was no DNA technology available in 1975, but police still had samples taken from Lesley's clothing examined and which showed the killer had a sperm count and could father a child. A police doctor who also examined Kiszko, saw that he was sexually immature and sent a sample for examination that showed Stefan had a zero sperm count.

The crucial evidence was never put before the court and when police reinvestigated the case in the 1990s, they found that Kiszko's samples had mysteriously vanished.

But they found old paperwork that confirmed the police scientist who examined the samples had found Kiszko was totally infertile.

When police finally re-tested Kiszko 16 years later in jail, he still had a zero count. Testosterone made him sexually aroused, but could not have made him fertile.

Evidence

I shall never forget the calls made to me at the Manchester Evening News back in the 1980s from a feisty woman who, in an Eastern European accent, tried to convince me that her son was innocent.

I checked the court story. There had been a confession and some forensic evidence matching carpet fibres from Kiszko's car with Lesley's clothing.

I was always patient and kind, but I never believed her. Then this tireless little fighter found a solicitor called Campbell Malone, who did believe her and eventually convinced police to reopen the case.

Malone turned out to be Charlotte's hero - and rightly so.

When Stefan went home in 1992, his bedroom was just as he left it, his pyjamas on the bed and his beloved and immaculate Hillman Avenger still in the garage.

He died a year later, two days before Christmas, after collapsing at home from a heart condition. Charlotte rang me that day and told me the news.

She had long since forgiven me for my disbelief at her claims of her son's innocence and asked me to go to the house.

She made me tea and gave me home-made cakes, sometimes weeping and then cursing the police. She died around six months later, a broken woman.

In that same poignant letter from jail, a few weeks after his arrest, Stefan Kiszko also wrote: "I hope you had a nice Christmas. My mother spent hers crying her eyes out. We have not had such a nice time in the past, but things will get better."

In February 2003 a television appeal for new information was made by Detective Chief Superintendent Max McLean of West Yorkshire Police on the BBC Crimewatch programme, publicly announcing the existence of a DNA profile of the killer for the first time, but no new leads were forthcoming.

On 5 November 2006, it was announced that a 53-year-old man had been arrested in connection with the murder of Lesley Molseed that had taken place in 1975.[9] DNA evidence was alleged to have shown a "direct hit" with a sample found at the scene of the murder. Ronald Castree, a comic bookshop dealer, of Shaw and Crompton, Greater Manchester,[10][11] was charged with the murder of Molseed and made his first court appearance on 7 November 2006 where he was remanded in custody. At a court hearing on 19 April 2007, Castree pleaded not guilty.[12] On 23 April 2007 he was refused bail.[13]

Castree's trial began at Bradford Crown Court on 22 October 2007.[14] He was found guilty on 12 November 2007 and jailed for life,[15] with a recommendation to serve a minimum of 30 years,[16] which is expected to keep him in prison until the age of 83.

A DNA sample from Castree, taken on 1 October 2005 when he was arrested but not charged in connection with another sex attack, was a direct match with a semen sample found on Molseed's underwear, although Castree was not charged with this offence as it was later dropped. During the trial a scientist has told a jury how DNA taken from the underwear of Molseed were linked to the man accused of her murder. Dr. Gemma Escott explained to Bradford Crown Court the chances of the semen samples belonging to anyone other than the defendant were one in a billion.

Two weeks before Castree killed Molseed, his wife had given birth to a son. Castree was not the baby's biological father; his wife had been involved in an affair. On 3 October 1975 Castree's wife went back into hospital with deep vein thrombosis, leaving Castree home alone on the day of the murder. She remained there for the following week. The birth of the illegitimate child may have been a trigger for Castree's murder of Molseed. Castree and his wife had two more children together, but the couple split up in 1996 and divorced a year later.

Originally from the Turf Hill estate of Rochdale,[17] Castree lived in nearby Shaw and Crompton and was a taxi driver for many years. He was unpopular with his neighbours, who said he had a very nasty temper. His former wife said "he was foul with his mouth, and foul with his fists".[10]

As revealed in the ITV television documentary Real Crime: The 30 Year Secret, Castree was convicted in 1976 of gross indecency and indecent assault against a nine-year-old girl in Rochdale. He was fined £25.

I quote Lord Denning ' Do you think the police would come into this court and lie ' ?

In fairness to Lord Denning before he passed away he said I made a mistake the police do come to court and lie.

If there are people on this forum who don't think the police fit people up I can tell you they do.

My advice if you are on a jury take the evidence of the police with a pinch of salt.

They will come out with things like he admitted the crime in the car on the way to the station or words to that effect.

Yes I remember that case of poor Stefan poor man sixteen years of hell he spent in prison.

roida,

Stefan lived with his mother approx. 1/2 mile from were the girl went missing one sunday afternoon.

That fact earned him a 16 stretch until DNA evidence cleared him.What a great country we live in .

Guildford Four

They knew they never did it yet kept them locked up for years.

The Governor of the prison where the woman was held said I am very sorry I have to keep you here I know you are innocent.

Justice my arse.

In this cesspit of a world nothing suprises me..its just a network of lies and corruption.