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10 Mar 16 20:33
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... what a morally bankrupt nation we've become !    Sad

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By:
TimBooth
When: 10 Mar 16 22:55
Only about a tenner per terminal then....
By:
saddo
When: 10 Mar 16 22:58
56 million terminals?
By:
the dealer
When: 10 Mar 16 22:59
you beat me to it Grin
By:
tommo1000
When: 10 Mar 16 23:02
a tax on the braindead imo
By:
sparrow
When: 10 Mar 16 23:03
Send the tax revenues to the NHS and it will be money well spent.
By:
the dealer
When: 10 Mar 16 23:07
they get a bad press and rightly so but i would love to see the figures from on line casinos, bingo etc. pretty sure they would be a big eye opener
By:
TimBooth
When: 10 Mar 16 23:08

Mar 10, 2016 -- 10:58PM, saddo wrote:


56 million terminals?


Going by the media reports on high street bookmakers and their proliferation, 14 million bookies shops seems about right.

By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Mar 16 23:30
Send the tax revenues to the NHS and it will be money well spent.

I'll agree with part of that - it will be money spent.
By:
ima_mazed66
When: 10 Mar 16 23:48
I'm anti FOBTs but the £562m figure is for the total duty on machine games and not just FOBTs.

It's also very short-sighted for any government to look at that figure alone anyway and not offset against it the costs to it (as in us, the taxpayer) in other areas related to those machines too.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 11 Mar 16 02:06
years a go i could get a bus in town (3 miles) for 2p about the year 1979 at the time beer was 25p a pint

now the same journey now  is £2.70 and a pint is £2.80
By:
halcyon days
When: 11 Mar 16 09:04
For me the government are colluding with High Street bookmakers to ''tax'' the lower class's in our society...
not withstanding there is a percentage of ''well off '' roulette players' who've done their cobblers on these machines !


THEY SHOULD BE IN LICENSED CASINOS !


I MOVE !
By:
halcyon days
When: 11 Mar 16 09:05
Btw, 8,500 LBO's ( max four m/C's per shop) top  whack 34,000 FOBT's !
By:
halcyon days
When: 11 Mar 16 09:06
Each one of Ladcrooks m/c's makes £1,000 per week !
By:
longbridge
When: 11 Mar 16 10:56
@Halcyon - just had a gander at Lads Annual Report and I make you more or less right; and that's over half their retail revenue - didn't realise they were so dependent on them.  With average shop profit (after costs) of less than £1k per week, they'd be completely sunk if the law tightened.
By:
ima_mazed66
When: 11 Mar 16 12:30
halcyon days    11 Mar 16 09:04 
For me the government are colluding with High Street bookmakers to ''tax'' the lower class's in our society...


The Tories did that years ago when the brought in the Lottery.
By:
parispike
When: 11 Mar 16 13:22
Of course the BHA in their wisdom opposed the legislation that permitted casino type games on the High Street to these sorts of stakes because they foresaw the harm their introduction would do to racing.

Well done BHA. Oh, hold on.....you say they supported them? Surely not?
By:
sparrow
When: 11 Mar 16 13:23
halcyon days    11 Mar 16 09:04 
For me the government are colluding with High Street bookmakers to ''tax'' the lower class's in our society...
not withstanding there is a percentage of ''well off '' roulette players' who've done their cobblers on these machines !


THEY SHOULD BE IN LICENSED CASINOS !


I MOVE !

Before the bookmakers installed these gaming machines working men's clubs in the north were kept going by revenue from machines. This revenue helped finance their pensioner and children's trips as well as a pantomine at christmas for the kids. In the past 10 years many have now been forced to close and this has been completely overlooked.
By:
pete_de
When: 11 Mar 16 14:35
By:
Stow_judge
When: 11 Mar 16 15:08
Horse and Greyhound racing should have been paid a levy on these machines. They trade on the back of Horse and Greyhound racing costing jobs and resulting in lower prize money and owners leaving our sports.
By:
halcyon days
When: 11 Mar 16 21:56
sparrow, good evening .


Yes, I agree, but surely these were ''one armed bandits'' with a jackpot of £200 perhaps ! ?....
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 11 Mar 16 22:10
@Halcyon - just had a gander at Lads Annual Report and I make you more or less right; and that's over half their retail revenue - didn't realise they were so dependent on them.  With average shop profit (after costs) of less than £1k per week, they'd be completely sunk if the law tightened.

Heaven forbid they had to go back to bookmaking and laying bets to people. I wonder if it is part of a deliberate strategy to gradually wean people off racing so that eventually the bookies no longer have to contribute to the sport and they just contribute on milking people consistently without any risk at all.
By:
halcyon days
When: 11 Mar 16 22:13
Funny thing is, IF the machines' had to be accessed in licensed casinos that might just be a possibility !
By:
sparrow
When: 11 Mar 16 23:20
halcyon days    11 Mar 16 21:56 
sparrow, good evening .


Yes, I agree, but surely these were ''one armed bandits'' with a jackpot of £200 perhaps ! ?...



The gaming machines were not what I would call one arm bandits but had a maximum of £200 jackpots. We had many big players as the only real competition was in casinos back then. I just wonder that if bookmakers removed their restrictions on bets would the people on these threads be bothered about these machines? But maybe the posters do have a social conscience and are deeply concerned about their fellow men.
By:
halcyon days
When: 12 Mar 16 00:02
The fact is people go ''skint'' far far quicker !


So, in that sense yes, some of us do have a conscience !
By:
homefortea
When: 12 Mar 16 19:02
Sparrow if 35% of Government spending is on the NHS and Welfare then surely the needs of the nation over-ride a few coach trips for the idle and feckless...
By:
homefortea
When: 12 Mar 16 19:02
Blush
By:
sparrow
When: 12 Mar 16 19:17
homefortea, I refer you to my comment of 10th March at 23.03 on this thread.
By:
homefortea
When: 12 Mar 16 19:30
So that we can pay agency nurses £300 a shift and consultants £300k per year for a twenty hour working week....
By:
halcyon days
When: 12 Mar 16 19:32
Tony Blair & Gordon Brown have a lot to answer for !
By:
halcyon days
When: 12 Mar 16 19:34
HOSPITAL doctors are earning more than £2000 a day on top of their salaries by cramming in operations at weekends that attract lucrative triple-time payments.

Some consultants have been working the equivalent of a 14-hour day on Sundays in order to scoop the special premium rate.

Hospital employees working full-time on the living wage would have to work nearly seven weeks to earn £2000. Oppositions MSPs have called for reform of NHS contracts.

Under the 2004 consultants' contract, doctors do not have to perform non-emergency work at weekends, public holidays or after 8pm. However, they can choose to work outside their contracted hours by carrying out waiting list initiative (WLI) work.

The rate, paid at up to £150 an hour, is on top of a basic salary that can exceed £100,000.

Since January 2013, seven consultants at NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde (NHSGGC) were paid more than £1500 for work carried out on a single Sunday. Four doctors earned more than £2000 for the same shift. One earned more than £50,000 for Sunday shifts alone between January last year and October 2014.

At NHS Tayside, 57 consultants earned more than £1500 for work on a single Sunday. For radiologists at the same board, 12 consultants earned more than £2000 for weekend work, which could be for a Saturday, Sunday, or both. One consultant earned more than £2000 17 times for weekend shifts.

A £1500 Sunday payment is the equivalent of a 10-hour day, while £2000 is closer to 14 hours.

Doctors can opt out of the European Working Time Directive, which stops employers requiring staff to work excessively long hours.

Scottish Conservative health spokesman Jackson Carlaw said: "If we really want the NHS to be a 24/7 operation, excessive payments like this have to stop. It can hardly be in the best ­interests of patients for a doctor to bust a gut on a Sunday, only to be worn out the rest of the week.

"This is why we need a comprehensive plan on how to make the NHS run all week, without having to hand out bribes to those already well remunerated."

Liberal Democrat MSP Jim Hume said: "Everyone wants patients to be treated quickly. Health boards should be planning their services to avoid using these super-expensive contracts. That way they can treat more patients for the same money they appear to be spending on Sunday services."

A spokesperson for NHSGGC said: "Tackling waiting times is a significant priority for the Scottish Government, and the NHS in Scotland, and is a key delivery measure. Waiting list initiatives have been used to ensure that patients are treated within the targets and guarantees set over the past four years, latterly within 18 weeks of referral to treatment."

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At NHS Tayside, a spokesperson said: "Payments made by NHS Tayside to consultants under the waiting times initiative are agreed as part of national contracts."

Dr Nikki Thompson, chair of the British Medical Association's Scottish consultants' committee, said: "Waiting list ­initiative payments were negotiated to enable boards to enlist consultants to provide additional services on an occasional basis, in order to reduce waiting lists. This work is only ever undertaken at the specific request of the employer, and the enhanced pay rate reflects the ad hoc nature of the work, and the inconvenience and disruption to family life that results."
By:
halcyon days
When: 12 Mar 16 19:37
''This work is only ever undertaken at the specific request of the employer, and the enhanced pay rate reflects the ad hoc nature of the work, and the inconvenience and disruption to family life that results."



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By:
homefortea
When: 12 Mar 16 19:52
halcyon days 12 Mar 16 19:32 Joined: 29 Jun 05 | Topic/replies: 24,154 | Blogger: halcyon days's blog
Tony Blair & Gordon Brown have a lot to answer for !



EXACTLY...
By:
homefortea
When: 12 Mar 16 19:53
You are a Tory halcyon...
By:
sparrow
When: 12 Mar 16 19:59
This is now getting like a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party.
By:
halcyon days
When: 12 Mar 16 20:00
Indeed so !


Came from a working class family, but over the last twenty years have seen what so called ''socialism'' has done to the country !


Of the '97 government... Straw, Blunkett, Reid, Prescott et al... millionaire politicians who purport to represent working class people... champagne socialists with their snouts in the trough !


Hypocrisy doesn't do them justice !
By:
halcyon days
When: 12 Mar 16 20:06
The only chap I've got any time for is Dave Nellist ( thrown out of the party by Kinnock for being a member of Militant Tendency ), who in the eighties gave over half of his M P's salary to charity...


' for me to represent the people of Coventry I need to understand what it's like to live on their salary's'..


took the pay of a local tool maker !  A TRUE SOCIALIST... utmost respect !
By:
halcyon days
When: 12 Mar 16 20:08
Also big fan of Frank Field and Kate Hoey !  Happy
By:
sparrow
When: 12 Mar 16 20:10
Dave Nellist was an idiot and that's all I want to say on the subject.
By:
halcyon days
When: 12 Mar 16 20:13
sparrow, we can still be friends... the Clem Attlee government of '45/'51 was truly radical and inspirational ! Wink
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