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sageform
07 Mar 16 13:49
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Leaving aside the delay issues that concern some people, the picture quality is certainly very good and in stark contrast to ATR.
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Report TheCollector March 7, 2016 1:52 PM GMT
I don't give a toss about in running and the 2 seconds delay (because it's easy enough to set it up before a race if you wish to do so anyway) so I welcome HD and it is long overdue.
Report howard March 7, 2016 1:53 PM GMT
Haven't they been saying for weeks both channels would be on 432 ?  ( HD 466 )
Report Wanchai Lad March 7, 2016 2:12 PM GMT
432 sd behind 432 hd but 432 sd infront 466 hd
Report Wanchai Lad March 7, 2016 2:13 PM GMT
Very very small difference though.
Report Deltâ March 7, 2016 2:14 PM GMT
how can 432 sd be behind hd ..
Report pablo-fanque March 7, 2016 2:19 PM GMT
HD 432
SD 466

here
Report duncan idaho March 7, 2016 2:29 PM GMT
TheCollector
07 Mar 16 13:52

I don't give a toss about in running and the 2 seconds delay (because it's easy enough to set it up before a race if you wish to do so anyway) so I welcome HD and it is long overdue.



2 seconds delay is a PRACTICAL issue with big financial implications for anyone betting IR on RUK...difference between perfecly good pics and HD is a FWP (First World Problem) that only saddos get excited about
Report sageform March 7, 2016 2:30 PM GMT
Thanks, never knew 466 existed! Much worse picture though.
Report bilbobaggins March 7, 2016 2:31 PM GMT
The Collector obviously doesn't give a **** about anybody but himself duncan.
Report sageform March 7, 2016 2:33 PM GMT
Duncan, if your only reason for watching is in running betting then fine. Most of us want to see good racing with a clear picture and not judge everything by betting returns.
Report bilbobaggins March 7, 2016 2:41 PM GMT
But sage - it's a slightly different picture (as duncan so eloquently put it a FWP) - 2 seconds is vital to those of us betting in-running.
Report jamesdean March 7, 2016 2:42 PM GMT
Not sure that's true sage. Plenty want it for in running

Anyway without getting into that. Has anyone timed them all and can confirm if any one is faster/slower etc?
Report kansas March 7, 2016 2:48 PM GMT
Not sure I'm looking forward to seeing Tom O'Ryan or Dave Yates in HD, so will stick with 432 for now ta.
Report Rider March 7, 2016 2:49 PM GMT
if it were a choice between hd or a red button with raw track pics it would be a no brainer, but when has the opinion of the subscriber ever been important when they have exclusive tv picture rights?Sad
Report thebootman March 7, 2016 2:49 PM GMT
I had it in HD for a couple of days last week. Speed was exactly the same as SD in comparison to RUK on Live Video.
Report sageform March 7, 2016 2:54 PM GMT
So the solution is to have poor picture quality for everyone so that in running players can have a shorter delay? The shortest delay is on course which is where I would prefer to be but at my age, the driving and standing around in cold winds is no longer a pleasure. jamesdean, I concede that many of those watching on a Monday in March are looking at in running, but as RUK don't have any coverage today, that is not an issue until Exeter tomorrow.
Report jamesdean March 7, 2016 2:56 PM GMT
You're right about they cold winds sage, at any age!
Report duncan idaho March 7, 2016 2:56 PM GMT
absolutely nothing wrong with RUK picture before today...ATR on the other hand...
Report pablo-fanque March 7, 2016 2:57 PM GMT
the bootman, RUK was always about 0.5 - 1 second quicker than RUK on live video
Report TRD.Racing March 7, 2016 3:01 PM GMT
Newsflash,in running is not the be all and end all of the sport of horse racing,in fact it represents a very small part of the game. We already get numerous threads on a daily basis about LV,no doubt we will now get those added to with threads about RUK HD. The SD version is still availabe so ffs stop whinging about pic speeds
Report bilbobaggins March 7, 2016 3:08 PM GMT
How can you possibly describe the current picture as 'poor'. You must have an awful lot of things to complain about sage.
Report thebootman March 7, 2016 3:08 PM GMT
Pablo - yes and HD is the same speed as SD in front of Live Video.
Report bilbobaggins March 7, 2016 3:08 PM GMT
TRD - pic speeds are vital - don't know how many times we have to say it.
Report pablo-fanque March 7, 2016 3:10 PM GMT
I see
thanks
Report TRD.Racing March 7, 2016 3:13 PM GMT
bilbo They are not vital to everyone though. In the perfect we would all have lightning quick pics,everyone on a level playing field,sadly that is not the case. I'm just pointing out that many don't play in running and couldn't give a toss how quick the pics are
Report TRD.Racing March 7, 2016 3:13 PM GMT
world
Report Rider March 7, 2016 3:14 PM GMT
TRD, given inplay betting is now massive in football, cricket, tennis etc with much of the next generation choosing those sports and rejecting racing because of the lack of a level playing field, dont you think this puts the future of racing in doubt? that should be of concern to all
Report sageform March 7, 2016 3:19 PM GMT
Bilbo, only saying it is much worse than on 432. I was happy enough with it until the new improvements. It is all relative of course .I am old enough to have watched Arkle and Mill House live on BBC and didn't realise how poor the picture was until you watch it back now.
Report TRD.Racing March 7, 2016 3:22 PM GMT
rider betting on football etc etc has increased in general not just in play,horse racing no longer has the whole betting cake as it did many moons ago. As far as I'm aware the pictures for football,tennis etc do not represent a level playing field,some will always have quick pics no matter what the sport,because some will always be prepared to pay for them and in that case some will always be in a position to sell them
Report sageform March 7, 2016 3:22 PM GMT
I do bet in running on racing but normally put the lay up with the keep button on before the race starts to ensure that I don't get caught out by a delay on a fall or whatever. I'm sure there are a lot of in running players on course who would like to see a delay of 30 secondsScared
Report Rider March 7, 2016 3:33 PM GMT
TRD take a saturday afternoon, football or racing?

football suspends to prevent hoovering and isnt as time critical anyway so streamed games are fine (and free) so punters new the betting will choose football

whether racing likes it or not its in competition with other sports and as you rightly say they are unsurprisingly losing market share and if that continues then racing will continue to shrink
Report geordie1956 March 7, 2016 3:39 PM GMT
the sound on my tv is much louder on 432 rather than channel 466 but the picture image is minimal difference
Report TRD.Racing March 7, 2016 3:41 PM GMT
Picture and sound quality is far superior here imo
Report pablo-fanque March 7, 2016 3:48 PM GMT
Geordie, it can depend on the HD TV you have .

HD ready is not as good as Full HD

also , you will get a better picture using a HDMI lead compared to scart or other leads
Report roida March 7, 2016 3:48 PM GMT
TRD makes plenty pre race punting...ask him to post his last 3 mths p&l to prove it though..

Laugh
Report tomhunt March 7, 2016 3:59 PM GMT
text is kaput on 432
Report duffy March 7, 2016 4:31 PM GMT
432 and 466 speeds look exactly the same, the question that needs to be answered is whether the SD has been slowed recently so that it tally's with HD, that seems unlikely as the HD viewers wouldn't care about in-running so RUK shouldn't feel they'd need to do that, however IMO seeing a SD picture not in front of the HD version is very unusual and if it's genuine I'd like to see an answer as to how this is possible.
Report bilbobaggins March 7, 2016 4:37 PM GMT
We'll see when the first RUK meetings are shown duffy - I will go ballistic if the pics have been slowed.
Report tomhunt March 7, 2016 4:39 PM GMT
i'm in the camp where it was suggested that sd was slowed down over a number of months,somebody who's 'live' would know best
Report thurnscoe thunder March 7, 2016 4:40 PM GMT
Duffy, it may have something to do with the fact Ruk pictures are occasionally seen on track a full second in front of the ones we receive at home.
So maybe theyve a lot more speed to play with than people think.
Ive had sd and hd up against each other and hd is around 0.15 sec quicker, its noticable
sd hasnt slowed from last week eaither
Report spyker March 7, 2016 4:42 PM GMT
TRD, given inplay betting is now massive in football, cricket, tennis etc with much of the next generation choosing those sports and rejecting racing because of the lack of a level playing field, dont you think this puts the future of racing in doubt? that should be of concern to all

You are aware those sports are all much further behind live than atr pics even? The only difference is that people either aren't aware or don't care that it isn't a level playing field!
Report roida March 7, 2016 4:50 PM GMT
Duffy, it may have something to do with the fact Ruk pictures are occasionally seen on track a full second in front of the ones we receive at home.

bollox
Report thurnscoe thunder March 7, 2016 4:54 PM GMT
Absolutely true Roida
Report thurnscoe thunder March 7, 2016 4:55 PM GMT
I said occasionally, and I mean occasionally.
Report thurnscoe thunder March 7, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
And if you think its bollox you need to ask around because for once youre not in the full picture
Report Rider March 7, 2016 4:57 PM GMT
spkyer, 7 seconds in racing can hardly be equated to even 30+ seconds in football wrt ir odds changes, i thought this was obvious but try taking a look at the graphs
Report roida March 7, 2016 5:03 PM GMT
i go to tracks tt...the track ruk was slightly in front of sky ruk..not 1 sec.
Report thurnscoe thunder March 7, 2016 5:09 PM GMT
Check it against Turf next time you see it, I personally think its closer to a second.
I think if it can be produced and passed out that quick on a sky platform then it should be.
Ive just no idea if the track picture feed of the quicker ruk is distributed that way.
Report duncan idaho March 7, 2016 5:24 PM GMT
Ive had sd and hd up against each other and hd is around 0.15 sec quicker, its noticable


same...and quickest than RUK has been for weeks
Report duncan idaho March 7, 2016 5:24 PM GMT
delete than
Report jamesdean March 7, 2016 6:29 PM GMT
What you going by to suggest it's the quickest its been dunc?
Report spyker March 7, 2016 6:47 PM GMT
spkyer, 7 seconds in racing can hardly be equated to even 30+ seconds in football wrt ir odds changes, i thought this was obvious but try taking a look at the graphs

Eh? So you are now saying that you (and others) know the other sports are a long way behind but it doesn't really matter? Now where's that quote about '1 second to score a goal' I wonder..........
Report aberdonia March 7, 2016 6:52 PM GMT
the new superb picture is doing the irish boy no favours on my tv.

looks ready for his coffin.

as an aside, the hd picture is fat better than the one i get on sky, and even better than bt sport in hd
Report Gerbs March 7, 2016 6:52 PM GMT
thurnscoe thunder
07 Mar 16 16:40
Joined: 25 Nov 00
, its noticable
sd hasnt slowed from last week eaither

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the suggestion is that ruk has been slowed slightly weeks ago so that when HD comes on line this week they  are both the same speed
Report aberdonia March 7, 2016 6:55 PM GMT
the volume on the ruk hd channel is very loud as well.

when i switch back to atr the difference is incredible.
Report halcyon days March 7, 2016 7:58 PM GMT
Leave me out of it !
Report TheFear March 8, 2016 4:36 PM GMT
ATR have launched E.L.Q in retaliation to RUK's move. ELQ = extreme low quality.
Report xmoneyx March 8, 2016 4:37 PM GMT
its all go
Report duffy March 8, 2016 4:38 PM GMT
I'm still having nightmares about Don Macleans adams appleScared
Report sageform March 8, 2016 4:44 PM GMT
Great picture quality for me.
Report TheFear March 8, 2016 4:47 PM GMT
Me too. I didn't think I had a HD subscription,,,
Report Invisible Layer March 10, 2016 1:10 PM GMT
Obvious which the upscaled pic meetings are like Kempton last night, apparently 82% of meeting this year in HD. Still huge difference in quality switching to atr
Report lcredd March 10, 2016 1:45 PM GMT
Yeah the picture and sound quality are great. So far I haven't noticed anything in regards to delay issues. It's faster than the SD channel but is it still fast enough to compete with track-siders? So far so good.
Report beccaboo March 10, 2016 1:53 PM GMT
Pardon my lack of knowledge but is HD only available on SKY, i have virgin pictures(536)and dont think i have HD.
Report 1830 March 10, 2016 1:59 PM GMT
beccaboo • March 10, 2016 1:53 PM GMT
Pardon my lack of knowledge but is HD only available on SKY, i have virgin pictures(536)and dont think i have HD.


You are correct HD is not available on Virgin ,they hope to have it some time in the future.
Report CDK March 10, 2016 2:00 PM GMT
Is HD still infront of SD? and by how far?
Report lcredd March 10, 2016 2:30 PM GMT
It was on Tuesday, not too sure today.
Report jamesdean March 10, 2016 2:37 PM GMT
How did you time it incred?
Report lcredd March 10, 2016 2:55 PM GMT
Very inaccurately JD, Happy. I just switched between the channels and watched the timer. HD was in front but by less than half a second. I've just done the same again and 432 seems ever so slightly faster than 466.
Report jamesdean March 10, 2016 2:57 PM GMT
Thanks incredd Happy
Report roida March 10, 2016 3:19 PM GMT
lcredd 10 Mar 16 13:45 
Yeah the picture and sound quality are great. So far I haven't noticed anything in regards to delay issues. It's faster than the SD channel but is it still fast enough to compete with track-siders? So far so good.


sd and hd identical in our office.
Report jamesdean March 10, 2016 3:26 PM GMT
tv's side by side roida?
Report lcredd March 10, 2016 3:26 PM GMT
Thanks Roida. It must just be wishful thinking that HD was in front. Does anyone know if there's any truth on the subject that RUK were slowing down SD to make it the same speed as HD? Surely we'd have noticed by getting our asses kicked in-running.
Report roida March 10, 2016 3:55 PM GMT
jamesdean 10 Mar 16 15:26 
tv's side by side roida?


yes..both on sky hd but 1 tele is hd
Report roida March 10, 2016 3:56 PM GMT
at newcastle on tues blv was 3 secs behind track..sis -3.5
Report jamesdean March 10, 2016 4:01 PM GMT
ta
Report boycey March 10, 2016 5:25 PM GMT
Would any one be kind enough to tell me how far behind HD is to realtime (google live time) or track, cheers
Report roida March 10, 2016 5:27 PM GMT
i'd say around 1.7 sec
Report boycey March 10, 2016 5:31 PM GMT
thanks
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