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02 Mar 16
22:01
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Apologies for double post but I posted this topic on General Betting and was advised to put it up on here for wider attention.
Retired janitor at my office sought my assistance about this on Monday
His normal bet is six football teams, 6 x£1 5-folds and £1 6-fold. He bets this every midweek and Saturday.
He writes teams on betting slip and doesnt use coupons.
He did his normal bet on Saturday, sixth selection he wrote 'Milan'
All six won. Batfred split his stake on basis that his sixth selection is ambiguous in that he didnt make it clear whether he meant AC Milan or Inter.
I have never heard anyone refer to Inter as Milan.
Old guy thought he was on £530, Batfred gave him £265.
AVOID BATFRED LIKE THE PLAGUE.
Retired janitor at my office sought my assistance about this on Monday
His normal bet is six football teams, 6 x£1 5-folds and £1 6-fold. He bets this every midweek and Saturday.
He writes teams on betting slip and doesnt use coupons.
He did his normal bet on Saturday, sixth selection he wrote 'Milan'
All six won. Batfred split his stake on basis that his sixth selection is ambiguous in that he didnt make it clear whether he meant AC Milan or Inter.
I have never heard anyone refer to Inter as Milan.
Old guy thought he was on £530, Batfred gave him £265.
AVOID BATFRED LIKE THE PLAGUE.
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Use the coupon don't give them the get out , dirty robbing bald Mancunian ****
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Sorry - But they BOTH play IN MILAN- a city after which they are BOTH NAMED.
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Onlooker - I realise this is the racing forum.
However - How many punters refer to Inter as Milan. Take a straw poll of 100 punters and there will be very few who would interpret Milan on a betting slip as Inter. |
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Did he take a price and have it OKd?
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in this instance a fair outcome...why didnt he write ac?
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The UK is the only country in the world where Internazionale are referred to as Inter Milan
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saddo
He didnt write prices. I am fed up telling him to use coupons and take prices. roida - see 22:22 |
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I agree with the OP that AC Milan are referred to as "Milan' in footballing parlance. This is even confirmed by the Wikipedia entry for AC Milan. Suggest you message Paul Haigh - Total Respect on here as he relishes taking on Betfred with issues where they are trying it on.
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What does he write when he is backing either - MANchester Utd - or MANchester City?
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how did it appear on the coupon?, pretty sure they use ac milan and internazionale, which would suggest to me even although he shouldnt have just used milan, it seems a bit rich to use that as an excuse when they dont call the team inter milan themselves
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Onlooker 22:26
Naw - When he backs Rangers he writes Glasgow. By Christ, you're so sharp you must cut yourself. |
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Albion
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squire danaher 02 Mar 16 22:22
The UK is the only country in the world where Internazionale are referred to as Inter Milan which country did he place the bet? |
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BBC results and tables refer to them as Milan and Inter Milan
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I can make you feel good.
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dundee
dundee utd |
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I remember having a bet on which day of the week the election would be held.
After careful consideration, I went midweek as it seemed like the sensible option. To my utter disgust, I found that my apparent winning bet, had been interpreted as a win single on Sheffield, who happened to playing the night I placed it. |
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06 March 2016
11:30 Torino v Lazio Cashout 13/10 11/5 12/5 more bets 14:00 Bologna v Carpi Cashout 10/11 23/10 18/5 more bets 14:00 Atalanta v Juventus Cashout 13/2 3/1 8/15 more bets 14:00 Sassuolo v AC Milan Cashout 11/5 9/4 7/5 more bets 14:00 Frosinone v Udinese Cashout 5/2 23/10 6/5 more bets 14:00 Genoa v Empoli Cashout EVS 23/10 16/5 more bets 19:45 Internazionale v Palermo Cashout 3/10 9/2 10/1 more bets how they appear on their website for the weekends games |
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thats the difference..if they only have 1 team named milan
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Hopefully he'll learn by this. You've got to be very clear when you write a bet out, make sure you have the prices written on, and even name the opposition if he insists on writing the bet on a slip.
There is more than enough confusion here for them to settle it the way they did. It's a pity Inter Milan lost because no doubt AC were the shorter price of the two teams. |
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Seems a fair decision. I've always known them as Inter and AC. At least they didn't try to void the whole bet.
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Surely the point here is dealers - if Fred doesn't even name them as Milan at all how can there be any confusion. Fred names them as AC MILAN and INTERNAZIONALE
I would give Paul Haigh - Total Respect a callout on here. |
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Yep, robbing scumbags. But it could easily have been avoided by writing A C.
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I certainly am not saying the punter is 100% in the right, as it could easily have been avoided. But it would help if some of these books actually used a bit of common sense now and again, do they honestly think the guy is trying it on - 1.01 they don't. We all know they are there thinking how they can save a payout. Customer service goes a long way and Fred gets all the bad press he deserves imo, it really is uncanny how most of these type of thread are about his firm.
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Customer service goes a long way and Fred gets all the bad press he deserves imo, it really is uncanny how most of these type of thread are about his firm.
There is no such thing as bad publicity........... maybe |
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agree with magic daps. Surely if it's a regular customer or someone you don't think is trying it on you pay up
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The amount he recieved should have been more than 50% of what he expected.
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anyone who knows anything about football knows that in italy ac milan are known as milan (would probably preclude betfred staff on that basis),couldnt his selection be confirmed by the prices of the 2 teams,i presume that was written on the slip.
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I don't believe you have a claim,and the shop acted correctly.Look at it this way,if the other "Milan" team won,and your "Milan" team lost,the payout would be similar.It is always up to the customer to write clearly and accurately,thereby avoiding this type of situation.Had I written the bet as the poster had done,I would have accepted their ruling,and kicked myself for being lazy and not writing AC Milan or Inter Milan.
A good cashier would have had a quick scan of the slip,and asked which "Milan" was wanted,but can't be expected. We all learn over the years from our mistakes,we are all human. |
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Forty years ago when I first started in the game........
' the onus is on the punter, re: clear & precise instructions!' No bookmaker likes the ''punter'' having two chances to win whilst paying for one ! Mistake made>>>>>>>>>> move on ! |
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I don't think anybody is disagreeing with the ruling so to speak, but where is the common sense for a regular customer that they would know full well if he was trying it on or not. With a bit of luck he will go elsewhere from now on and tell everyone else to do the same.
I haven't bet in a Lads shop since a dispute probably 10 years ago, and with my encouragement to a few other people neither have they. From what could and should have been a simple solution they decided to drag their heels and void a bet. I have probably cost them 100 times what the payout was in that shop alone. |
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A few years ago while i worked for Joe,s a guy wrote a treble on a normal slip for Man utd Man City and Forest . Neadless to say first two won Forest lost and the punter came in and claimed he meant Forest Green who had won . After a lot of discussion he was offered half stake on both which he happily accepted and was told to be exact with his bet,s in the future .Still i was convinced he tried his luck and got away with it .
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Ah gambler's.... do they by their nature want something for nothing ?...
Just a thought ! |
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More vile tactics from this firm, I see. Ask any proper football fan this question. "If I said to you Milan are playing tonight, which Milan do you think I mean?" They will say AC Milan every time, and I mean EVERY time. When I talk about Inter Milan I always call them Inter. A) Because they are the only top flight team with Inter in their name and B) when you talk of the Milan Derby you would say Milan v Inter.
Even on their website they don't even use the word Milan when posting odds on an Inter Milan game. Also surely if he's regular customer the staff there could vouch for him and use their discretion? After all its very likely he will give all the winnings back plus more over time. I hope the OP and the guy he's talking about never gives Baldprick any more of their custom. |
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4.25 Staunton,Tornado in Milan
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Predictive text boo
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In this case i agree with betfred his instructions were ambiguous
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Absolutely, Baldy's done nothing wrong here.
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If he was a regular customer the ambiguity would have been noticed and corrected by the staff at the shop otherwise put that down to experience or include prices too to avoid similar confusion again - the bookie was acting accordingly this time I'd have thought.
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