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Trainer Jim Best set to face non-trier charges
BY MARK SCULLY 3:30PM 24 FEB 2016
TRAINER JIM BEST could face a lengthy disqualification in relation to non-trier charges following the run of Echo Brava at Plumpton on December 14 and Missile Man at Taunton three days later.
Best, along with former conditional jockey Paul John, have been charged under Rules (C)45 (B)59.2 respectively, as well as A(30), which relates to conduct prejudicial to the integrity, conduct or reputation of racing.
John was originally handed a 14-day ban for his ride aboard Echo Brava. However, the charge was subsequently upgraded to allege that both he intentionally failed to ensure that both horses ran on their merits.
Also a result, Best was similarly charged under rule (C)45.
The pair, whose two-day BHA hearing will begin on Wednesday, have also been charged with the same offence in relation to the performance of Missile Man at Towcester on December 17.
There are a range of penalties available to the BHA's disciplinary panel should they deem John to have deliberately prevented either horse from running on their merits, depending on the severity of the offence.
The most severe would be if it was found to have been done for personal gain or with knowledge the horse had been layed, which carries an entry point of an eight-year ban for the and a maximum of 25 years.
At the other end of the scale, where a horse appears to have been capable of challenging but was intentionally never asked to do so, carries an entry point 42-day ban for the rider and a £7,500 fine for the trainer.
Should they be found to have breached Rule A(30), the pair could also face a maximum disqualification of three months or a fine of £2,000.
BY MARK SCULLY 3:30PM 24 FEB 2016
TRAINER JIM BEST could face a lengthy disqualification in relation to non-trier charges following the run of Echo Brava at Plumpton on December 14 and Missile Man at Taunton three days later.
Best, along with former conditional jockey Paul John, have been charged under Rules (C)45 (B)59.2 respectively, as well as A(30), which relates to conduct prejudicial to the integrity, conduct or reputation of racing.
John was originally handed a 14-day ban for his ride aboard Echo Brava. However, the charge was subsequently upgraded to allege that both he intentionally failed to ensure that both horses ran on their merits.
Also a result, Best was similarly charged under rule (C)45.
The pair, whose two-day BHA hearing will begin on Wednesday, have also been charged with the same offence in relation to the performance of Missile Man at Towcester on December 17.
There are a range of penalties available to the BHA's disciplinary panel should they deem John to have deliberately prevented either horse from running on their merits, depending on the severity of the offence.
The most severe would be if it was found to have been done for personal gain or with knowledge the horse had been layed, which carries an entry point of an eight-year ban for the and a maximum of 25 years.
At the other end of the scale, where a horse appears to have been capable of challenging but was intentionally never asked to do so, carries an entry point 42-day ban for the rider and a £7,500 fine for the trainer.
Should they be found to have breached Rule A(30), the pair could also face a maximum disqualification of three months or a fine of £2,000.
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It has to be the biggest mystery in racing this scum bag still has a license. There is an element of foul play to every single runner he has let alone the man himself. He is forever declaring non runners late, changing jockeys, along with a string of blatant non triers. Rumors are rife that he threatens owners and has gone as far as claiming horses that have been sent to him as his own. All this is played out in front of the BHA and has been reported yet they refuse to lay a finger on him apart from the occasional paltry fine. In any other walk of life he would be facing a custodial sentence for some of the things he gets up to. In racing he is not far off being considered a shrewd cookie. I can only hope this lengthy ban sees the man out of the game for good but i fear he will be back with another slap on the wrist.
apologies in reference to the article......JIM BEST could face a lengthy disqualification in relation to non-trier charges
he hasnt had a ban yet
he hasnt had a ban yet
I thought that's what you meant
Apart from the errors in the piece, I am a bit puzzled as to how Best has been charged under B 59.2 as this relates only to the "rider"
A30 is of course very very serious, but this seems inordinately quick (for the BHA). They must think they have strong evidence.
Contravention of C45 will be the bit that they will be hanging their A30 hat on, but the article is not specific as to which part of Rule 45 has been contravened. Note though that 45.5 says that the Stewards may decide not to take action against the trainer where the trainer......gave the rider appropriate instructions but the rider failed to comply with them. This bit is important because I believe (I will check) that in both these cases Best claimed he was not happy with the ride.
Apart from the errors in the piece, I am a bit puzzled as to how Best has been charged under B 59.2 as this relates only to the "rider"
A30 is of course very very serious, but this seems inordinately quick (for the BHA). They must think they have strong evidence.
Contravention of C45 will be the bit that they will be hanging their A30 hat on, but the article is not specific as to which part of Rule 45 has been contravened. Note though that 45.5 says that the Stewards may decide not to take action against the trainer where the trainer......gave the rider appropriate instructions but the rider failed to comply with them. This bit is important because I believe (I will check) that in both these cases Best claimed he was not happy with the ride.
Well pointed out CHHH its about time people spoke up about this guy. The man and his brother are pure evil. He comes on the TV and you would think from his looks he had just been plucked from your local choir (if you had a seriously backward looking local choir)
I have had friends who have been done over by this guy and let me tell you it was not a pleasant experience for them. He is nothing but a small time pikey who seems to get away with what he likes. PLEASE BAN THIS GUY FROM RACING
I have had friends who have been done over by this guy and let me tell you it was not a pleasant experience for them. He is nothing but a small time pikey who seems to get away with what he likes. PLEASE BAN THIS GUY FROM RACING
bigdog - what is your take on his latest contravention of the rules?
Didn't this joker threaten another trainer a few years ago?
Could be in real trouble if the BHA investigaters can link him to the account holders that lay his "alleged" non triers.
You got me BLACKBARN I am afraid i got bored about half way through the second line of your reply about his contravention of the rules. I am sure you are right and are giving a well weighted balanced argument guilty until proven innocent etc. I am essentially an occassional mug punter who enjoys racing and doesnt know the rules by the letter of law. However, I know enough to know how this guy operates his business and I also happen to know how he has treated (if thats what you want to call it) his owners in the past. Jim and his brother operate a heavy handed business where racing and the rules are far from their thoughts.
Sorry to bore you, bigdog, I was merely trying to understand and state the relevant rules in the article. I am in no way attempting an Atticus Finch role.
mmmalushka - I agree, but it does seem very quick to "come to court" if that is what they've got. In fact, I would guess that that would be the only way they would have him under A30 UNLESS of course Paul John, when re-interviewed refuted Best's claimed instructions. Now that would be fun as this is not a court of law and is bound only by the balance of probabilities.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall.
mmmalushka - I agree, but it does seem very quick to "come to court" if that is what they've got. In fact, I would guess that that would be the only way they would have him under A30 UNLESS of course Paul John, when re-interviewed refuted Best's claimed instructions. Now that would be fun as this is not a court of law and is bound only by the balance of probabilities.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall.
TheFear - its a 2 day hearing starting Wednesday but Sloppy Scully forgets to say which Wednesday.
Thanks blackbarn. The bha press release says 25th and 26th.
No hiding place if the forensic accountants start delving in to the exchange transactions.
Would be a sore loss.. A man who has given so much to racing and taken so little out
The trouble here is as much as people may not like him, and it's pretty plain to see what he has done over the years with the strokes pulled etc. How many others have done the same.....
BUT in all due respect, there are non triers nearly every single day and NOTHING gets done, we all see them, the BHA see them, feel free to even report them but NOTHING gets done. The bottom line is the authorities are out to get him (maybe rightly so), but why not pull in the untouchables once in a while for all of the strokes they have pulled and continue to pull?? There are many other high profile trainers/jockeys etc that are all at it imo, but not a single word.
The toothless BHA will already have their decision before any hearing imo, and if he's banned no doubt they will be shouting from the rooftops how they are cleaning up the sport and hope that a few of the public will fall for it. Well NOBODY will fall for it, the game has gone, the explanations from any connections when they do get pulled in are laughable but it all is just swept under the ever increasing bulging carpet at BHA headquarters.
Surely his defence should be to turn up with about 500 videos of other rides that are the same or worse and ask why he has been singled out.
PS - I am not for one minute sticking up for him, but it shouldn't be him alone being pulled imo.
BUT in all due respect, there are non triers nearly every single day and NOTHING gets done, we all see them, the BHA see them, feel free to even report them but NOTHING gets done. The bottom line is the authorities are out to get him (maybe rightly so), but why not pull in the untouchables once in a while for all of the strokes they have pulled and continue to pull?? There are many other high profile trainers/jockeys etc that are all at it imo, but not a single word.
The toothless BHA will already have their decision before any hearing imo, and if he's banned no doubt they will be shouting from the rooftops how they are cleaning up the sport and hope that a few of the public will fall for it. Well NOBODY will fall for it, the game has gone, the explanations from any connections when they do get pulled in are laughable but it all is just swept under the ever increasing bulging carpet at BHA headquarters.
Surely his defence should be to turn up with about 500 videos of other rides that are the same or worse and ask why he has been singled out.
PS - I am not for one minute sticking up for him, but it shouldn't be him alone being pulled imo.
bigdoghenley - do you know firemanhenley. Just a yes or no will be fine.
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Blackbarn you seem a very sensible guy with a deep knowledge of the official rules literally to the letter.......tell me take your legal hat off for a second is there room for people like Jim Best in racing. YES OR NO.
He barely has a runner that doesnt have some sort of ugly agenda to it and if this isnt the case as a punter you are left double guessing what he is up to before you begin to work a race out. As soon as you have he declares a non runner or changes jockey. At a time when racing is slowly dying and begging for extra sponsorship and prize money what are potential investors and bookmakers meant to make of this guy just being allowed to continue as he pleases. He is a seriously poor mans Barney Curley with absolutely zero class...... Get Matty Batchelor to strangle it until we can get it off same mark over hurdles as its flat mark then pretend one day that Matt is stuck in traffic and Tony Mccoy (now twiston davies) is riding last minute do me a favour Jim. Anyone could take out a license and have winners if they went about it in the same way as he does. This is all before you delve into the rumours that persist behind the scenes it doesnt seem I am the only one here who knows how he has treated certain people in the past. The BHA should be using any excuse possible to rid the game of this scum.
He barely has a runner that doesnt have some sort of ugly agenda to it and if this isnt the case as a punter you are left double guessing what he is up to before you begin to work a race out. As soon as you have he declares a non runner or changes jockey. At a time when racing is slowly dying and begging for extra sponsorship and prize money what are potential investors and bookmakers meant to make of this guy just being allowed to continue as he pleases. He is a seriously poor mans Barney Curley with absolutely zero class...... Get Matty Batchelor to strangle it until we can get it off same mark over hurdles as its flat mark then pretend one day that Matt is stuck in traffic and Tony Mccoy (now twiston davies) is riding last minute do me a favour Jim. Anyone could take out a license and have winners if they went about it in the same way as he does. This is all before you delve into the rumours that persist behind the scenes it doesnt seem I am the only one here who knows how he has treated certain people in the past. The BHA should be using any excuse possible to rid the game of this scum.
chhhh - therein lies half the problem imo, what was said to McCoy or Twiston Davies by the authorities, what were they asked (if anything)??
It's the attitude of "we cannot pull him in" where a massive issues lies with me (and I guess many punters), look at the hissy fit McCoy pulled when Lydia questioned his shocking ride on Get me out of here. Authorities need to take their blinkers off and treat EVERYONE in the game the same - they may then get some plaudits, and possible a few may even think they are cleaning up the sport rather than it being the most corrupt sport on the planet. Burying their heads in the sand makes them as complicit in the corruption as anyone directly involved imo.
It's the attitude of "we cannot pull him in" where a massive issues lies with me (and I guess many punters), look at the hissy fit McCoy pulled when Lydia questioned his shocking ride on Get me out of here. Authorities need to take their blinkers off and treat EVERYONE in the game the same - they may then get some plaudits, and possible a few may even think they are cleaning up the sport rather than it being the most corrupt sport on the planet. Burying their heads in the sand makes them as complicit in the corruption as anyone directly involved imo.
chhh - I guess if I had to say yes or no, I'd say no, but I have to say that your second paragraph is an appalling case for the prosecution - You generalise, you quote anecdotes as fact, you quote exceptions as an invariable rule, you give credence to rumour, innuendo and hearsay without analysis, criticism or evidence. Lets hope the BHA can do better.
By the way, I have met the bloke, but no more than that. I wouldn't trust him, but then I wouldn't trust your objectivity or analysis either
- You generalise, you quote anecdotes as fact, you quote exceptions as an invariable rule, you give credence to rumour, innuendo and hearsay without analysis, criticism or evidence. Lets hope the BHA can do better. By the way, I have met the bloke, but no more than that. I wouldn't trust him, but then I wouldn't trust your objectivity or analysis either
The evidence is right in front of anyone with a brain.... i agree my half cut analysis is not going to blow your half moon glasses off Blackbarn but as you say I am not sat there on the prosecution panal...here is hoping he gets done
In response to magic-daps you are right the game is rife with it although I would say not as bad as it has been. This guy stands out like a sore thumb he really does. I am sure jockeys booked to ride his horses dont know they either have not been out the stable for a fortnight or are as fit as a flee with thirty pounds in hand. This is an in house operation that has no place on the british race course.
In response to magic-daps you are right the game is rife with it although I would say not as bad as it has been. This guy stands out like a sore thumb he really does. I am sure jockeys booked to ride his horses dont know they either have not been out the stable for a fortnight or are as fit as a flee with thirty pounds in hand. This is an in house operation that has no place on the british race course.
A trainer with the highest possible moral scruples who runs his horses on their merits every time.
When will everyone realise the game is finished and has been for a long time.British horse racing should have been closed down a long time ago.
Every wondered why young people give horse racing a wide birth and only bots and mugs remain?
The young people have seen their dads,uncles etc never win a penny at the game in the long run.
If the game was fair then those that do their homework would come out on top.
But those that do their homework on british racing probably come out the worst as they are offered
perceived value on a horse at 5/2 that they think the true price is 5/4.
They need to ask who is on the other side of this trade and why are they offering 5/2.
If God could pop his head out of the clouds and tell them the utter truth then they would never take 5/2
not even 10/1 for the horse.
British horse racing is finished and the gambling commission /BHA etc are as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
Every wondered why young people give horse racing a wide birth and only bots and mugs remain?
The young people have seen their dads,uncles etc never win a penny at the game in the long run.
If the game was fair then those that do their homework would come out on top.
But those that do their homework on british racing probably come out the worst as they are offered
perceived value on a horse at 5/2 that they think the true price is 5/4.
They need to ask who is on the other side of this trade and why are they offering 5/2.
If God could pop his head out of the clouds and tell them the utter truth then they would never take 5/2
not even 10/1 for the horse.
British horse racing is finished and the gambling commission /BHA etc are as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
Will be watching Jim's Ruby Wednesday (7.40 Chelmers) with great interest tonight! Don't know a lot about the jock but won't be at all surprised to see it as a last minute withdrawal!
as long as there is horse racing there will be punters simple as that. It is the bookmakers who are being driven away and without them the game is finished. It is impossible to get a sensible bet on most races with any firms these days and who can blame them when people like JIM BEST just treat the game with such obvious disdain and as there own personal cash cow.
Seriously? Have to disagree with that. The bookmakers are making their own decisions not to take bets on HORSE RACING - they wants degenerates who get directed to their casinos/slots/virtuals etc for their GUARANTEED profits. To suggest they are not taking bets because of 'suspect' trainers is laughable. You say it is not as corrupt now as it once was - so on that basis how could a punter 20 years ago walk in and have a few hundred on a horse without any phonecalls to PTL etc? It was because back then they would then do their job and make a book - now you cannot get 20 quid on a 10/1 shot without it going to the accountants let alone 200.
Seriously? Have to disagree with that. The bookmakers are making their own decisions not to take bets on HORSE RACING - they wants degenerates who get directed to their casinos/slots/virtuals etc for their GUARANTEED profits. To suggest they are not taking bets because of 'suspect' trainers is laughable. You say it is not as corrupt now as it once was - so on that basis how could a punter 20 years ago walk in and have a few hundred on a horse without any phonecalls to PTL etc? It was because back then they would then do their job and make a book - now you cannot get 20 quid on a 10/1 shot without it going to the accountants let alone 200.
How on earth can anyone open a book on a race and take bets on it if JIM BEST has a runner in the field until you have a good morning to have a peep at betfair even then it is likely to get pulled out or have the jockey changed......so i would say yes 'suspect' trainers have made a difference to the layers confidence.
Open a book and put it in at 1/10 or no offers (who honestly would really care).
Maybe because the 'bookmakers' used to have all the inside information for themselves, now it is more transparent they don't like it. The bottom line is years ago the books made fortunes from horse racing for LAYING bets and making a book, now they don't want to because they are just casinos and arcades (not because of trainers like Best). How many people are guessing all trainers when it comes to first time in handicaps after being well beat in 3 maidens? Look at many of the untouchables (for good measure rings a bell). Best may bend the rules a lot more often than others but to suggest that's why the books don't want to take bets (on any racing) is pretty laughable imo.
Maybe because the 'bookmakers' used to have all the inside information for themselves, now it is more transparent they don't like it. The bottom line is years ago the books made fortunes from horse racing for LAYING bets and making a book, now they don't want to because they are just casinos and arcades (not because of trainers like Best). How many people are guessing all trainers when it comes to first time in handicaps after being well beat in 3 maidens? Look at many of the untouchables (for good measure rings a bell). Best may bend the rules a lot more often than others but to suggest that's why the books don't want to take bets (on any racing) is pretty laughable imo.
I am not suggesting that is the main reason at all, its obvious the bookies are more interested in most things apart from racing but it doesnt help if he is allowed to blatently flout the rules - how can anyone have any confidence in the game at all.
All I am saying is this is a chance to finally make an example of him and show everyone else who takes the p*ss it will not be tolerated.
All I am saying is this is a chance to finally make an example of him and show everyone else who takes the p*ss it will not be tolerated.
See Jim's Ruby Wednesday (7.40 Chelmers) starting to drift - surely nothing untoward will occur with so much scrutiny?
Note though that 45.5 says that the Stewards may decide not to take action against the trainer where the trainer......gave the rider appropriate instructions but the rider failed to comply with them. This bit is important because I believe (I will check) that in both these cases Best claimed he was not happy with the ride.
It really is way beyond time that the rules mandate that riding instructions must be deposited with the stewards before a race. It is all too easy for an unscrupulous trainer to plot one with a young jockey, and then throw him under the bus if the authorities start sniffing around.
The stewards are willing to do this. It happened to Best himself with the infamous Saint Helena race, where pre-race they had not only Best in, but the trainer and jockey of the second favourite too. It should be standard practice.
It really is way beyond time that the rules mandate that riding instructions must be deposited with the stewards before a race. It is all too easy for an unscrupulous trainer to plot one with a young jockey, and then throw him under the bus if the authorities start sniffing around.
The stewards are willing to do this. It happened to Best himself with the infamous Saint Helena race, where pre-race they had not only Best in, but the trainer and jockey of the second favourite too. It should be standard practice.
Ive enjoyed reading this thread this man needs to outed big time
The old Batchelor/Mccoy switch late on was a favourite trick of his for years never quite understood how mattie couldn't be trusted to steer round a horse that had thirty pounds in hand!!
The old Batchelor/Mccoy switch late on was a favourite trick of his for years never quite understood how mattie couldn't be trusted to steer round a horse that had thirty pounds in hand!!
anyone expand on the rumours of threatening other trainers?claiming horses as his own? or treating people badly?
This is the makin threats piece...
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4301166.Gun_scare_as_Lewes_horse_racing_rival
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4301166.Gun_scare_as_Lewes_horse_racing_rival
Recently there have been quite a few cases that have come before the BHA,these enquiries and their results have been suppressed so as not to tarnish further the horse racing industry.
If you scrutinise the disqualified persons page of the BHA website, you will see that 3 persons have been excluded indefinitely this year:
8th Jan 2016: .... Benjamin Hockley
8th Jan 2016: .... Sue Bye
27th Jan 2016: ... Peter Standley
I don't recall reading anything regarding these 3 in the racing press, if you have please enlighten me.
Incidentally, Hockley & Bye occupied the same house in Royston and another name appears on the electoral role ... Mark Benton.
Not implying anything untoward about Mr. Benton, but would he be the same person who is an owner with horses at Jim Best's yard?
There are a number of "faces", jockeys and trainers who have mysteriously disappeared from the racing fraternity in the past few years ... were they "Quietly" Warned Off? ....
What happened to the 2 Indian gentlemen in the Midlands, who reportedly had trainers and jockeys in their pocket? ....taking "The Micky" ..
Has also happened in Ireland ... Turf Club Ireland have "excluded" a number of trainers and owners, without any publicity.
If you scrutinise the disqualified persons page of the BHA website, you will see that 3 persons have been excluded indefinitely this year:
8th Jan 2016: .... Benjamin Hockley
8th Jan 2016: .... Sue Bye
27th Jan 2016: ... Peter Standley
I don't recall reading anything regarding these 3 in the racing press, if you have please enlighten me.
Incidentally, Hockley & Bye occupied the same house in Royston and another name appears on the electoral role ... Mark Benton.
Not implying anything untoward about Mr. Benton, but would he be the same person who is an owner with horses at Jim Best's yard?
There are a number of "faces", jockeys and trainers who have mysteriously disappeared from the racing fraternity in the past few years ... were they "Quietly" Warned Off? ....
What happened to the 2 Indian gentlemen in the Midlands, who reportedly had trainers and jockeys in their pocket? ....taking "The Micky" ..
Has also happened in Ireland ... Turf Club Ireland have "excluded" a number of trainers and owners, without any publicity.
Turf Club Ireland have "excluded" a number of trainers
any examples of this please Kennyboy:-) lots of owners turned away because they don't pay their bills, forfeit list in calender and all..trainers quietly brushed aside..dubious..
any examples of this please Kennyboy:-) lots of owners turned away because they don't pay their bills, forfeit list in calender and all..trainers quietly brushed aside..dubious..
Dodgy Dog,
Look no further than the little community of Letterkenny in Co. Donegal .... it is a hotbed of intrigue and skulduggery.
See if you can identify the trainer who sources horses for BC in Germany, then look up his brother who used to hold a trainer's licence, same family as the Irish jockey who rides in UK. At one time was a regular plunderer of UK races with plot horses.
Another trainer who came close, was nearly found out at Wolverhampton a few years ago, reportedly in possession of a "stunner". He refused to be searched by racecourse security and left before the planks(stewards) could interview him. The horse was withdrawn and now races for an "English" trainer .... ....won a race recently.
Then there was the "Royal Ascot" furore with the now retired jockey who trains in Ireland.
Look no further than the little community of Letterkenny in Co. Donegal .... it is a hotbed of intrigue and skulduggery.
See if you can identify the trainer who sources horses for BC in Germany, then look up his brother who used to hold a trainer's licence, same family as the Irish jockey who rides in UK. At one time was a regular plunderer of UK races with plot horses.
Another trainer who came close, was nearly found out at Wolverhampton a few years ago, reportedly in possession of a "stunner". He refused to be searched by racecourse security and left before the planks(stewards) could interview him. The horse was withdrawn and now races for an "English" trainer ....
....won a race recently.Then there was the "Royal Ascot" furore with the now retired jockey who trains in Ireland.
Harley is the trainer..cant see trainers going quietly into the night and warned off on the quiet..makes no sense..maybe they go broke, can happen:-)
It's all done on the "QT" ... just a word to say, yer man will not get his licence renewed, so it is!
There are a number of jockeys riding at the moment "with a cloud" over them, their weight is rising and they are finding it difficult to ride ... told that they will not receive favourable attention when and if they apply for a trainers's licence.
There are a number of jockeys riding at the moment "with a cloud" over them, their weight is rising and they are finding it difficult to ride ... told that they will not receive favourable attention when and if they apply for a trainers's licence.
Kenny - Mark Benton owns Echo Brava Is he the Actor Mark Benton does anyone know (Nationwide adverts etc etc).
Is he the Actor Mark Benton does anyone know (Nationwide adverts etc etc).
Not the same Mark Benton ....
This bentone has horses with Best, Luke Dace, Gary Moore .... etc. ... previously John Gallagher
Can anyone name the trainer, in the Midlands, that you claim a horse of his from a seller or claiming race at your peril?
This bentone has horses with Best, Luke Dace, Gary Moore .... etc. ... previously John Gallagher
Can anyone name the trainer, in the Midlands, that you claim a horse of his from a seller or claiming race at your peril?
Claimer was indeed a fun battle where he was eventually outgunned.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/jim-best-paul-john-best-to-question-credibility-of-rider-in-non-triers-case/2037794
Looks like John is going to say he was told to stop them and Best is panicking. Should be fun.
Looks like John is going to say he was told to stop them and Best is panicking. Should be fun.
Come on, let's credit ihal essex with a great bit of fishing with Ruby Wednesday, trained by J R Best of Sittingbourne.
What ever happened between Best and Mattie? all seemed to be working out pretty much o.k with regards to all the previous non jiggers.
Did Mattie want a new car out of the deal?
Jim wouldnt have been happy with that if he could be virtually guaranteed to get to the races on each occassion
As Sergeant says should be interesting.
Did Mattie want a new car out of the deal?
Jim wouldnt have been happy with that if he could be virtually guaranteed to get to the races on each occassion
As Sergeant says should be interesting.
I'd still like to be a fly on the wall!!!! Here is what I posted last night
"mmmalushka - I agree, but it does seem very quick to "come to court" if that is what they've got. In fact, I would guess that that would be the only way they would have him under A30 UNLESS of course Paul John, when re-interviewed refuted Best's claimed instructions. Now that would be fun as this is not a court of law and is bound only by the balance of probabilities. I'd like to be a fly on the wall".
"mmmalushka - I agree, but it does seem very quick to "come to court" if that is what they've got. In fact, I would guess that that would be the only way they would have him under A30 UNLESS of course Paul John, when re-interviewed refuted Best's claimed instructions. Now that would be fun as this is not a court of law and is bound only by the balance of probabilities. I'd like to be a fly on the wall".
One of my favourite races of all time:
Worcester Result
24 Jul 2013
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1 Naledi 20/1 9 9-12 Richard Price 72 * * »
Thomas Garner5
Held up in rear, steady headway after 4 out, kept on strongly from 3 out, chased leader after 2 out, stayed on well to take slight lead final 75yds, held on all out (op 22/1 tchd 25/1)
« 2 hd Royal Trooper (IRE) 8/13F 7 11-0 t Jim Best 83 * * »
A P McCoy
Tracked leader, led 3 out, ridden and not fluent last, narrowly headed final 75yds, stayed challenging but no extra last strides (op 4/5)
Worcester Result
24 Jul 2013
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Thomas Garner5
Held up in rear, steady headway after 4 out, kept on strongly from 3 out, chased leader after 2 out, stayed on well to take slight lead final 75yds, held on all out (op 22/1 tchd 25/1)
« 2 hd Royal Trooper (IRE) 8/13F 7 11-0 t Jim Best 83 * * »
A P McCoy
Tracked leader, led 3 out, ridden and not fluent last, narrowly headed final 75yds, stayed challenging but no extra last strides (op 4/5)
I was there that day screaming. The long faces were a sight to behold!
Oh dear what a pity never mind
Yes that just about sums up what the ferret faced Best seemed to be thinking.
Good info Kenny, now tell us the midlands trainer? Could it be the man never seen without a can of lager in his hand?
Firstly it is great to see some action being potentially taken against some seriously nasty people who have brought shame on racing. For me there are other sad elements involved here. Why have ATR given this scumbag operation years of oxygen to peddle there excuses? Everyone is innocent until proven guilty but with this lot and plenty of others ATR has no shame, first time offenders, serial offenders are all welcomed back to the gravy train of shame.
The channel has no integrity, live racing is their claim, what a joke. A raft of hopeless presenters with little knowledge with a few exceptions and a willingness to sleep with the devil never far off the agenda.
The channel has no integrity, live racing is their claim, what a joke. A raft of hopeless presenters with little knowledge with a few exceptions and a willingness to sleep with the devil never far off the agenda.
It would be nice for someone who matters to see this thread and get a feeling for the strength of feeling against this scum bag from genuine racing fans.
He's getting pretty heavy handed treatment for a couple of not offs in novice hurdles so I think the BHA obviously want him out as much as the next man.
If Jim did get banned can the brother just swap it to his name ? :(
TheFear - it is not heavy-handed because it will not be that which is causing him to also be charged under Rule A30!!
(A)30 - Prejudicial to the integrity, proper conduct or good reputation of horseracing. Entry Level £2,000 or Suspend / Withdraw / Disqualify 3 months. Range Fine £1,000 - £15,000, Disqualification 1 month - 3 years
It will be something more "serious"
(A)30 - Prejudicial to the integrity, proper conduct or good reputation of horseracing. Entry Level £2,000 or Suspend / Withdraw / Disqualify 3 months. Range Fine £1,000 - £15,000, Disqualification 1 month - 3 years
It will be something more "serious"
Meant to add that among other things Sloppy Scully (quoted in the original post) got the maximum penalty for offence A30 wrong as the max disqualification is 3 YEARS not 3 months. I note Scargill is handling the story now, so things are getting a little more accurate.
Don't think it is the sons who throw their weight about, both are only about 10 stone wringing wet ... it is the father Leon who rules the roost.
Has allegedly been involved in numerous scrapes, arguments and scuffles over the years with local trainers and landowners.
Made sure the RP retracted allegations of threats back in January 2010.......
http://www.carter-ruck.com/images/uploads/documents/RacingPostApology.pdf
So what usually happens in these situations is a "nominee" trainer takes over the reins until the suspension and fuss dies down.
But remember with the "Class" conscious hierarchy at the BHA, they will come down like a ton of bricks on the everyday trainer, who struggles to make it pay .... and the likes of Chemical Nicky & Co (The Establishment) get a rap on the knuckles and are free to carry on regardless.
Answers to previous questions ...
Conor Dore
Gurdip "Mickey" Singh (currently serving 7 years for money laundering & fraud, but still pulling strings from inside, has an unlimited account with a gentleman bookmaker)
Tejhider Bhoot ... (owner on paper of Tyrana who won when nearly a stone out of the h/cap at Stratford), formerly trained by "Bridgie's" brother Gary.
They were one of the first to be excluded without a hearing:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/sep/12/bha-exclusion-orders-no-hearing
When you start to dig, some familiar names keep appearing .....
Still think I would be the best candidate for the current vacancy at BHA for a "Compliance Officer" ... but then again perhaps I know too much and would be extremely dangerous.
Has allegedly been involved in numerous scrapes, arguments and scuffles over the years with local trainers and landowners.
Made sure the RP retracted allegations of threats back in January 2010.......
http://www.carter-ruck.com/images/uploads/documents/RacingPostApology.pdf
So what usually happens in these situations is a "nominee" trainer takes over the reins until the suspension and fuss dies down.
But remember with the "Class" conscious hierarchy at the BHA, they will come down like a ton of bricks on the everyday trainer, who struggles to make it pay .... and the likes of Chemical Nicky & Co (The Establishment) get a rap on the knuckles and are free to carry on regardless.
Answers to previous questions ...
Conor Dore
Gurdip "Mickey" Singh (currently serving 7 years for money laundering & fraud, but still pulling strings from inside, has an unlimited account with a gentleman bookmaker)
Tejhider Bhoot ... (owner on paper of Tyrana who won when nearly a stone out of the h/cap at Stratford), formerly trained by "Bridgie's" brother Gary.
They were one of the first to be excluded without a hearing:
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/sep/12/bha-exclusion-orders-no-hearing
When you start to dig, some familiar names keep appearing .....
Still think I would be the best candidate for the current vacancy at BHA for a "Compliance Officer" ... but then again perhaps I know too much and would be extremely dangerous.
The polite thing to do when you get done for a non-trier is to stand by your jockey. Best took the cowardly option and is now reaping the consequences.
will the winners in this case be the punters??
Always blame the jockey, One Nation? No point both getting in trouble. He pushed his luck doing it a second time straight after being done for the first one. For what it's worth I think Venetia and Coleman had a couple of handicapping runs at Warwick today.
Couple of things. If a footballer was being investigated for throwing a game would he still be allowed to play while under investigation? Secondly the supposed instructions given to the jockey are exactly what happens, ie purposely run into hurdles to slow it down. Yet there are people on here and elsewhere who refuse to believe a jockey would do that and have in the past belittled people who have suggested it does happen. Maybe they'll cop on to themselves now.
Does the fact he let the same jockey ride a second non trier almost immediately after blaming him for the first one not weaken his defence?
It should if logic has any bearing on the outcome.
It should if logic has any bearing on the outcome.
You just say you disagree with the charge. Instead, the trainer has sought to save his own skin by hanging the jockey out to dry, right after he'd done the dirty work for him. If I was the jockey I'd feel more than a little peeved at the lack of loyalty and be very much inclined to turn 'Queen's evidence', which is what looks like is happening here?
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