class is class forget the dross,

I use bet365 all the pinza thats why its price I give or sp,believe it or not they actually had still pay out yesterday after racing was finished was more than I would have got so tried the except and it paid out bizzare but good.

I use bet365 all the pinza thats why its price I give or sp,believe it or not they actually had still pay out yesterday after racing was finished was more than I would have got so tried the except and it paid out bizzare but good.

mbs 7.6 betfair.1.30

meepoor
That's strange. Must have been a glitch.
Lucky you.

ne 18.5 2.40 ch bf

got that wrong for here sorry guys, had winner and third on too, as were so big had to bet all three.

Feb-16
13:35:49   13:30 Musselburgh
Chestnut Ben - Win
  Betfair Bet ID 1:61778443992   | Placed: 06-Feb-16 17:41:53   Back 14.13

I did say at start of thread if any one wants me to say anyyhing about any race just ask,  would have said there is three here, as there is never just one horse in these handicapps well usually not. when your betting the prices I give usually 2 or 3.

so the winners you had yesterday you had other bets in the same race?

on some yes, I also had them in doubles with bet365,.today I have them in doubles too, three in last race,i have three in every race singled on betfair today, then crossed in doubles trebles accum on bet365.so got 25/1 on bet365

sticking to singles on betfair exchanges, and use bookies for cross bets.

just so we know then that you are just going to be selective with the bets you are after timing

good luck

i told at start of thread if I'm here and any one wants advice about any race i bet on i will tell them, no one asked.and I'm trying to give one selection per race here.there not many on here would give there hard work studing  here so who cares what people think its for my fun and any one who likes it cool. i will give my advice on  the chel race as good odds to be had there.

normal equilibrium has won of a mark of 92 round here and if can produce that run wins, stable going well at present when they have a fancied runner,dynamo waltz loves it round here his first run second two races ago was arguably his best run to date so cant be ruled out,apache storm at his best is not out of it lack of wins a worry and stables form also a worry, but these three will do for me. not taking away from my original bet which stands for forum bets.hope this makes it easier to understand the logic of it dealer.

aye i understand plenty mate, one being selective after timing of winners.

like i said good luck with the thread, something you have tried many times before and history suggest they all go the same way dropping off the bottom of the page.

yep  thanks for the good luck no  block u too , just like every one who jumps on the insults bye

point out the insults??

could not have bet that of best ever winning mark, and stable not exsactly running well, but that's racing.

me.....whats the 4 form guides u use

pearl 18.1 bf.

i dont get the short prices?

well when there the horse to bet , i still bet them as longa s i can get at least 5/2 any shorter then i would give it up.

could have been bet there likes it here didn't have much improvement needed to win there, trainer going good with his limited team.

could have been bet there likes it here didn't have much improvement needed to win there, trainer going good with his limited team.

a 1 point loss today, and cant really complain about that.looks like Wolverhampton tomorrow for best races so will be back soon..
+17.9 points total

only 2 races tomorrow worth a bet , thats what makes this so good can take time studying right races and not over running mind with the dross, so better effort in to form.

back to winning ways tomorrow good luck

This thread feels very Martesque.

2 40 wolver luv u whatever 7/1 1pt e/w
4 40 wolver seychelles 3/1 2 pts win

wont be anything on Tuesday dross, lets hope Ludlow on Wednesday, or will be thrusday before anything.

not good today -4 points,total now +13.9 points
the dangers won the races so that gives great confidence this way of analysing the races really is way to go,exciting times a head.

Appears to be going well. Good luck mepoor

I've a query or 2 if you don't mind answering when you're about

1 - once had  one of the biggest forum pages on here, looked at few things over time and relized that you must stick to the better races , although class races novices not much better as no value so going to give my class bets for today soon, ever one will be 2 pts bets either 1 point e/w or 2 points win, and will be odds I got or sp which is bigger.

I use four different form guides to get these selections,and the signs are very good so far, been knocking on the door lately for massive profits, but still winning alittle although the potential is huge.remmeber if sp is bigger tahts the return.

Q - What is meant by and will be odds I got or sp which is bigger. and remmeber if sp is bigger tahts the return.

2 – sticking to singles on betfair exchanges, and use bookies for cross bets.
Q – Are you backing these Win/Place on Betfair but using bookies for the prices?

well I take my prices, at books yes,as bet365 give guarantee odds, I bet them first on there, and usually single them with small cross multies,but decided to single them on betfair too just to see how my account goes with single bets only, I'm in profit on both accounts since started with class races, although the cross bets so far have gave me slightly better profit,
the main thing is sticking to these races where you get decent odds and more form, discapline always been tough but need work hard to achieve it.

well Ludlow of so nothing tomorrow again, but that's where you likely save balance.

4 races tomorrow to get involved in, unfortunately not world beating prices, but they are the selections so lets see.
3 30 Doncaster whataknight 9/2 2pts win
1 55 huntingdon baoulet delraoque 2/1 2pts win
6 10 Chelmsford bosham 5/1 2pts win
6 40 Chelmsford winterlude 7/2 2pts win

This is like having the new Star wars film with a new Mepoor thread,should be at least 15 selections on Saturday!

well only bet in, class 3 or better so limited now.just as well still should be more on weekends.

Most losing punters or ones that have a little knowledge will obviously bet in those grade races or better as they will bet winners but they won't be betting value as the further you go up in class the less value there is races far to easy to price up and no edge whatsoever.All it does in the long run is probably reduce losing punters losses if they were betting in races where the real value is..

Winterlude for me.

Surprised that Dance of Fire is into fav.
Money does speak sometimes though.
Trainer and jockey have not had winner in last 14 days
First female rider for the horse.

Hugh Taylor has tipped it Pinza

Dance of Fire that is. Otherwise I think they'd be joint favs at the mo. By the off when the real money comes in they could be the other way round.

zip  dont agree why theres more CERTS  run in the low class races  then group ones...check the form book over the last 50 years

bad luck getting beat on line with whataknight mepoor. did u layoff?

bosham won nicely mepoor, looks like you had a decent day. that one drifted out a fair bit too. 9.67 bsp

That race ruined by a steady pace but always a good chance cathy would get an easy lead and so it proved.

unlucky today but nice +12 point profit,total +25.9points
very unlucky with my crossing bets Pactolus would have given me a multi yankee, but delighted in the days work.

unlucky today but nice +12 point profit,total +25.9points
very unlucky with my crossing bets Pactolus would have given me a multi yankee, but delighted in the days work.

2 05 Kempton devil to  play 7/1 1pt e/w
3 50 Kempton neds stark 9/2 1 pt e/w
3 00 Wetherby minstrals gallery 9/4 2 pt win
4 10 Wetherby good to know 4/1 2 pt win

slowly does it finally learning to put  in to practice

A question for you mepoor if you don't mind.

mepoor
07 Feb 16 15:02
well when there the horse to bet , i still bet them as longa s i can get at least 5/2 any shorter then i would give it up.

Yesterday:
4 races tomorrow to get involved in, unfortunately not world beating prices, but they are the selections so lets see.
3 30 Doncaster whataknight 9/2 2pts win
1 55 huntingdon baoulet delraoque 2/1 2pts win
6 10 Chelmsford bosham 5/1 2pts win
6 40 Chelmsford winterlude 7/2 2pts win

Have you included the 1.55 Race into your P/L?

Very unlucky with Whataknight yesterday and well done so far

good point statman but I bet what I feel is right, yes 2/1 might have looked short but when u look at the horse he beat in his last novice in second he beat a consistant horse which had run in handicap, which made him look like he had a stone in hand, then u look at the other horses who had to run at there ebst ever handicap to win race even without him in it, he looked like he had 7 lengths  up his cuff, so 2/1 was generous and I could not leave it.

a other nice day  2 winners and one falling when challenging at last, I'm sure he looked beat as didn't look like getting there even before fall. still +10.25 points profit.total  +36.15 points

very disappointed in Saturdays racing, but suppose that's going to feel like that when your trying to make profit and not doing it for the fun as I'm used to,limiting them on weekend is very tough but as longa s profit showing then its the way to go.

1 50 newbury zeroshadesofgrey 9/2 2 pts  win
3 35 newbury  blazer4/1 2 pts win
3 50 warwick niceonefrankie 8/1 1pt e/w
3 45 lingfield si senor 5/1 2 pts win

serious start to this thread, v impressive. il follow with interest

Thanks for the reply mepoor but I don't understand.
A contradiction as far as the threads concerned if you don't mind me saying.

It's your thread so I suppose you can do as you please.

Also, I've been reading the thread with interest and notice that you haven't taken into consideration any N/R's and Rule 4's.

There have been a few but only 1 that would have an impact on your P/L.

Well done with today's winners and good luck

feel free to correct my. p/l I work 12 hour shifts so not go time to really dig into it.its a very close guide more than spot on.

feel free to correct my. p/l I work 12 hour shifts so not go time to really dig into it.its a very close guide more than spot on.

Just the 1 10p rule 4 to a 5/2 winner (Cup Final) that I've noticed, so nothing to get concerned about.

Keep up the good work

oh good man statsman, make sure you track everything on this thread, you must be busy

really is a boring Saturday with so little interest so I will give a write up about  todays to pass time more than anything.

why Blazer mepoor, are you going on the visually impressive last time out win?

1 50 newbury a race where every  horsed needs to up there game to  win, but zeroshadesofgrey is lightly raced and dosnt need to show much improvment in this race if any,i think he has a couple of lbs uphand with the likely fav in sykes,you could worry about trainers
form with so many pulled up, but in general if they where fancied to point they run well , should not mind ground.the top weight of pipes gevrey chamberlin you just don't know what your going to get, but he is in with shout if putting in best foot, pipe won this race last year, the main worry is trainers form here but I might just put little saver on this, as my head tells me should run some sort of race against these.alot will jump on keltus because trainer hitting form but he just looks like hes got at least 7lbs to find with zeroshades and that's nota ccounting for zeroshades improvement.

going to write that race up now

3 35 newbury the first think that you say as soon as you look at this race is w mullins has ruined it as betting race, how can you work out form with so many irish from one yard, then you also see hobbs kept in top weight for  weights for his other runner with r Johnston aboard, but I honestly do believe that the top weight is now better in of hobbs too, but both now have more to find to win this,and I'm trying to get the winner here not a place,so back to mullins he has a lot of horses here some you can discount has not handicapped to win, but blazer he beat a handicap horse last time out and gave it 15lbs so that alone makes his mark look reasonable,
but then when you add how much he beat the horse all of a sudden he looks like he has that winning margin in hand here maybe 10lbs,
which giving most in this race do need to improve could even make him more better in than even that just like a novice I thought was stone better in other day and won just like that.when you see that most need to improve handicap marks it makes the dark horses more interesting like blazer.there is a couple that I'm having savers on here though affaire dhonnier is so lightly raced he could be a other dark horse unlike  selection form and he  dosnt have the handicap mark infact could be 20lbs inferior but the trainers horses are flying and it is possible this has been a secret target  with tons of improvement hidden so would not be shock.the other one I like is forrest bihan 2 runs ago was beaten by minstrels gallery who hacked up yesterday for me, he needs to improve on that but he did nest time out  a lot will look at catterick and dismisss him, but trainer knows how to land touches and on last run hes more  like the horse on right mark here so don't doubt he can get it in here.

3 50 warwick not the easiest of races I have went for niceonefrankie purely on handicap mark hes not to bad in needs to run to best,
hate betting one and giving so many negatives like trainers form isn't best, breeding makes me worry about going,but usually the trainer gets horses she knows will act on soft going so I'm trusting her more than anything not wise when shes not in form.but he has 7lbs in hand  cogry who a famous tipster in here has napped, and I just believe like one of mine last Saturday sew on target its not as much hes good thing as  the rest don't look good enough either. because this race is such that  no one wants it I'm taking as avert on the bottom one headlys bridge he will love the ground and is of winning mark so really everything is right  for him,not raced for a year ,trainer no known form. impossible to gauge where this horse is at might come in to race like abull more than race horse or might come in ready, and if it is then can deff win this.

Mullins has ruined the race as a betting race and you cant work out the irish form but your selecting blazer a horse trained by mullins and an irish horse

3 45 lingfield this really is a typical tight all weather race where were now juggling single lbs between them so should be very tight finish, but a lb here or there makes the photo finishes go your way, a lot think unlucky when they get beat in photos but if your on the right handicapped horse you will deff win more tight finishes than loose, and you can tell by my reaction I do exspect this to be tight, I have went for si senor I honestly believe he has  a lb in hand with the top weight mutawathea so these to  could battle it out the top weight trainer is flying so I will have cover bet on this, the likely fav bravo solo is also well in even a lb better than mine but I'm looking at trainers form and thinking mine might be in better form and just improve today.

I'm  not trying to be ignorant to any one by the way, the reason I'm here and trying to stick to a lot tighter betting, and controlled study which I'm doing now. is my mother died couple a weeks ago thought deep about giving the money she gave me  to wife and not wasting it gambling it away ,that got me thinking about the horses I have loved all my life,so booked holiday for wife unfortuatly week before chelters so will now need work that week  never been heard lol.but will let me stick to theory then also.so I came up with 4 reasons horses win races and all my bets are based on them.and so far going great even couple weeks before I started this thread, I also relize we need be positive in the time we have so I'm not talking about people having opinion like statman its the people who  with  with drivel  that we all know they could not bet in tight form races if they tried.so any one is welcome to ask me about the races I bet in.just not the 4 things I use as that would give  my edge away,

this thread is different from the rest and I dedicate it to my mother , so any profit it gives long term she has past on some how.
my parents meant the world to me now both gone.so please respect this thread if you would, and any one who thinks they can come on and try be silly all I can say is every one on betfair knows you are the silliest little boys around.god bless you though as you will need ityou cant hide from your selfs in this life, so I do understand if there is any torment going on in your lifes its not easy, but you can turn it round believe in your selfs.

Wtf

was always going to be a tough day today,one beaten in close finish which I thought would be tight race, one second at least had   e/w
so a loss of of -5 points today, I think the four selections all run well and that's all you can really exspect at start of day.
total +31.15 points.hope tomorrows races more interesting I really did think today was poor for Saturday, and limited losses, was only half length of profit in poor day so its still all good.

the one to take out of todays is  affaire dhonnier was stone last turning into the straight, said it could be a massive improver,
stayed on well for a place, just might  have ruined a brilliant handicap mark now ,run of 132 here if they leave it as well beat by winner get on next time depends race ofcourse,i think it has about 5lbs in hand yet so improvement and it will win races.

well not sure if racing on tomorrow but there done now lol.really was poor today nothing to get head into already think tomorrows are more interesting if getting go ahead so heres hoping.
3 10 Exeter the eaglehaslanded 13/2  1pt e/w
3 40 Exeter restless harry 6/1 1pt e/w
3 20 southwell cross fire 3/1 2pts win

gl mepoor

just thought would add my mothers name was lizzie Kelly, just gives me a smile every time I here her name at the races.

just thought would add my mothers name was lizzie Kelly, just gives me a smile every time I here her name at the races.

just thought would add my mothers name was lizzie Kelly, just gives me a smile every time I here her name at the races.

not great today at all never looked like winner -4points today.
total +27.15

2 bets tomorrow lets hope get start of week of to flyer

3 00 plumpton prouts pub 10/1 1pt e/w
4 10 catterick Shimla dawn 16/1 1pt e/w

seemed something went amiss with prouts pub . and other one didn't find anything when pace quickened,but that's life at they odds.
total points +23.15

just shows that learning patience is key, took me long enough and just wait till the races present them selfs, hopefully get back to profit ways tomorrow.
3 45 lingfield john reel 5/1 2 pts win
4 00 Musselburgh teo vivo 5/2 2 pts win
3 35 towcester  jean fleming 7/1 1 pt e/w

little unlucky  john reel getting caught on the line, but one winner so +1 point today better than losing.
total points +24.15

3 40 kelso landecker 9/1 1pt e/w
3 55 liecester pride of the castle 11/4 2pts win

Mepoor when considering your selecrions do you take market position into consideration,on the premise that if a horse has shown good form particularly winning form in better class race then it,s market position maybe should reflect it,s chances,as the final arbitters surely are those in charge.Just a thought.good luck to-day.

been tough week that's for sure.makes you relise why you must tread carefully and wait till you get other good win to boost profit.
and never up bets  just stay steady,total profit+22.15.
to be fair they have look diar all week.

20.15 possible

dead right lol

3.05 fakenham marden court 11/4 2 pts win
2 10 sandown fairy rath 11/1 2pts win
4 20 sandown loose chips 6/1 2pts win
4 00 lingfield Slovak 2 pts win

little disappointed that loose chips got beat as really fancied that and looked like winning all the way, still 2 seconds and winner.
+16 points profit.
total +36.15 points

4 10 ascot grand introduction 8/1 2pts win
2 40 haydock rigadin de beauchene 6/1 2pts win
2 50 wincanton cadoudoff 5/2 2pts win
3 55 wincanton keel haul 6/1 2pts win

last bad day, so not  been on as busy at work, going on holiday soon  now +28.15 points.going to stick to only horses over 5/1 at time of writting.
3 40 ludlow sun cloud 2 pts win 7/1
5 25 ludlow destinys gold 2 pts win 15/2
3 05 ludlow truckers highway 2 pts win 9/1
2 30 ludlow valliant creek 2pts win 16/1




go on risk a little e/w yankee i dare you.

wd on 1st placed

went to pieces after that but tahts life with better prices ,+20.15.

two bets

4 30 newbury guards chapel 2pts win 11/2
2 10 doncaster pied du roi 2pts win 11/2

Are these the first Class 4 runners you've selected?

I believe they are!

Good luck