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I've just watched the 1 o'clock at Lingfield from the usual angles rather than the dodgy angles we were provided with live, and the ride on this horse has caught my eye.
She missed the break badly, I don't know why, and since she has started showing some form, there doesn't appear to have been a problem at the stalls.
Golam may not have been to blame for the slow start, but that combined with what went on in the straight, in my opinion meant questions should have been asked.
The head-on shows he had ample room up the rail to give chase to Temple Road, but for whatever reason known to him, he decided he'd rather try to switch out even though there was nowhere for him to go.
He then has a bit of unnecessary (imo) argy-bargy with The Wispe before getting vigorous once the principals have gone beyond recall.
Shock, horror, the ride did catch the eyes of the stewards, who, erm...noted explanations!
The Stewards held an enquiry into the running and riding of OHSOSECRET, ridden by Saleem Golam and trained by Stuart Williams, which, having dwelt in the stalls and been slow into stride, appeared to be tenderly ridden in the home straight to finish fifth, beaten 7 lengths. They interviewed the rider and the trainer’s representative. They also received a report from the Veterinary Officer who confirmed that the filly’s heart and respiratory rates were within normal levels and there were no significant abnormalities to report. The rider stated his instructions were to jump handily, sit behind the leaders and make the best of his way home. He further added the filly was slowly away, which he reported at Scales, and from then on he was trying his best to catch up with the field and felt that he had achieved his best possible placing. The trainer’s representative stated that these were the instructions given but due to the filly having missed the break they were unable to be carried out. Having heard their evidence and viewed recordings of the race the Stewards noted their explanations.
She missed the break badly, I don't know why, and since she has started showing some form, there doesn't appear to have been a problem at the stalls.
Golam may not have been to blame for the slow start, but that combined with what went on in the straight, in my opinion meant questions should have been asked.
The head-on shows he had ample room up the rail to give chase to Temple Road, but for whatever reason known to him, he decided he'd rather try to switch out even though there was nowhere for him to go.
He then has a bit of unnecessary (imo) argy-bargy with The Wispe before getting vigorous once the principals have gone beyond recall.
Shock, horror, the ride did catch the eyes of the stewards, who, erm...noted explanations!
The Stewards held an enquiry into the running and riding of OHSOSECRET, ridden by Saleem Golam and trained by Stuart Williams, which, having dwelt in the stalls and been slow into stride, appeared to be tenderly ridden in the home straight to finish fifth, beaten 7 lengths. They interviewed the rider and the trainer’s representative. They also received a report from the Veterinary Officer who confirmed that the filly’s heart and respiratory rates were within normal levels and there were no significant abnormalities to report. The rider stated his instructions were to jump handily, sit behind the leaders and make the best of his way home. He further added the filly was slowly away, which he reported at Scales, and from then on he was trying his best to catch up with the field and felt that he had achieved his best possible placing. The trainer’s representative stated that these were the instructions given but due to the filly having missed the break they were unable to be carried out. Having heard their evidence and viewed recordings of the race the Stewards noted their explanations.
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Just watched it. Tbh think you have to give benefit of the doubt when it misses the break that badly.
Didn't some famous irish trainer have the motto if you can't win come nowhere!
"appeared to be tenderly ridden in the home straight to finish fifth"
TheFear, I was unaware that the rules of racing allow a horse to be ridden "tenderly" in the home straight if it has been very slowly away. I learn something new every day!
TheFear, I was unaware that the rules of racing allow a horse to be ridden "tenderly" in the home straight if it has been very slowly away. I learn something new every day!
I can't be bothered to log in and watch it again, George, but what do you want him to finish another length nearer but still 5th? The handicapper will probably ignore the run so literally nothing gained.
Tbh, I don't give a shat what you think. Furthermore, by logging in, I take it you're watching on ATR or SL and may not have seen the head-on that showed he had clear run to go and give chase up the rail?
I respected your opinion to start the thread so I watched the race and didn't see much in it. Now you're stating you don't care about my opinion. C'est la vie. Good luck.
The head-on is crucial here, it is what raises questions imo and presumably what prompted the stewards to enquire, not the side on view necessarily.
Tugged it at the start to make it fly jump the stalls, pulled it to the outside to make it bump another runner when had a clear run up the rail, bumped and pushed when no hope of placing.Noted
Not a great jockey or blatant st**ping
Not a great jockey or blatant st**ping
Excellent point to highlight the start, 11kv. Why was the horse slowly away, didn't the stewards think to ask?
Did it have a 'Supersta' moment and stand still?
Did it rear?
OR
Was it being heavily restrained causing it to start slowly and depart the stalls with its front legs off the ground?
Did it have a 'Supersta' moment and stand still?
Did it rear?
OR
Was it being heavily restrained causing it to start slowly and depart the stalls with its front legs off the ground?
Even from the side-on, you can see Golam momentarily stop riding just before the furlong post and again just inside it, where is the explanation for this in the stewards report?
The camera has panned away it starts so late but you can just see it rearing and throwing it's head about as it heads out the gate
The race before I think it was drawn wide as well and came across ok that time, however it is an animal with a very small brain so who knows !
The race before I think it was drawn wide as well and came across ok that time, however it is an animal with a very small brain so who knows !
By the way, I'm not saying this is one for the notebook or tracker, or it will win next time or the time after, cuz who's to say it won't get a similar ride for its next 10 starts?
I'm asking myself what are the differences between that ride and the ride on the Shaun Harris horse at Kempton in September, for which the trainer was fined £3000?
I'm asking myself what are the differences between that ride and the ride on the Shaun Harris horse at Kempton in September, for which the trainer was fined £3000?
Dec 8, 2015 -- 9:08PM, TheFear wrote:
Just watched it. Tbh think you have to give benefit of the doubt when it misses the break that badly.
To be fair the majority of the non triers on the AW are for some reason slowly away. Didn't see this race but it has to be more than a ccoincidence that it happens
The policing of this type of thing is just not really possible, many will slip through the net.
So, let's dwell for a moment on whether it would be a feasible situation in horse racing to allow non-trying (i.e make it legal and carry no penalty).
1) Some punters would be aggrieved that they had backed a horse which was an obvious non-trier in the race.
2) Some punters would be happy that they had laid a horse which was an obvious non-trier in the race.
3) Some punters would be happy that they had backed a horse which had won the race and didn't encounter much opposition.
4) Some punters, who are in it for the love of the sport, would not be happy because they are not seeing a true competitive event.
This is probably going to be a long list especially when you consider the prestige races, the attitudes of the connections and the laws of governing dynamics that will kick in if the new rules were implemented.
Perhaps, it's just better to stay how we are , warts and all.
So, let's dwell for a moment on whether it would be a feasible situation in horse racing to allow non-trying (i.e make it legal and carry no penalty).
1) Some punters would be aggrieved that they had backed a horse which was an obvious non-trier in the race.
2) Some punters would be happy that they had laid a horse which was an obvious non-trier in the race.
3) Some punters would be happy that they had backed a horse which had won the race and didn't encounter much opposition.
4) Some punters, who are in it for the love of the sport, would not be happy because they are not seeing a true competitive event.
This is probably going to be a long list especially when you consider the prestige races, the attitudes of the connections and the laws of governing dynamics that will kick in if the new rules were implemented.
Perhaps, it's just better to stay how we are , warts and all.
The stewards have enquired into why a horse was ridden tenderly in the straight. As far as I can see the jockey has failed to give an adequate explanation imo.
The stewards in this country are not fit for purpose and are failing to police the sport adequately imo. They notice something, they enquire into it, and when the explanation does not explain why the horse was slowly away and why the jockey stopped riding twice in the home straight, they still FAIL to act. They have effectively turned a blind eye imo.
The stewards in this country are not fit for purpose and are failing to police the sport adequately imo. They notice something, they enquire into it, and when the explanation does not explain why the horse was slowly away and why the jockey stopped riding twice in the home straight, they still FAIL to act. They have effectively turned a blind eye imo.
No, not that makes any difference either way. Besides, 99.9% of "pocket talking" threads are started within 3 minutes of the race ending in the heat of the moment, when someone has just lost their money. Hth.
Btw krisdoncaster, good luck on recruiting people to your naps website at £10 a pop. Collecting people's e-mails addresses too, are we?
Btw krisdoncaster, good luck on recruiting people to your naps website at £10 a pop. Collecting people's e-mails addresses too, are we?
Oh, and btw, this is a serious discussion thread, not an opportunity for chancers like you to spam their shyte on here.
You're making a mountain out of a molehill, George, and bringing the lad unwanted bad publicity as well. Journeymen jockeys barely make it pay as it is. The horse missed the break badly and no one can ever prove it was intentional. All we can hope is the BHA keep a tally of repeat offenders on slow aways.
TheFear, when I said I didn't give a shat what you thought, what confused you about that?
You're entitled to give YOUR opinion, but don't tell me what I should be thinking.
Oh and a 'molehill' eh? Go and tell that to Shaun Harris, who was fined £3000 in September in similar circumstances.
You're entitled to give YOUR opinion, but don't tell me what I should be thinking.
Oh and a 'molehill' eh? Go and tell that to Shaun Harris, who was fined £3000 in September in similar circumstances.
If you visit the site, George - you'll see it's free for all to play, as plenty do daily.
Any if it's a serious thread, why not stay on topic rather than having a misinformed pop about something total unrelated?
Or was the thread created and discussion is only allowed if people agree? If they disagree, you "don't give a shat what you think". Now that's a serious discussion right there...
Any if it's a serious thread, why not stay on topic rather than having a misinformed pop about something total unrelated?
Or was the thread created and discussion is only allowed if people agree? If they disagree, you "don't give a shat what you think". Now that's a serious discussion right there...
Think you'll be fighting a losing battle if you refuse to give your email out to any website that you plan to register with.
Think krisdoncaster has called it right. Serious discussion thread but abuse to anyone who doesn't agree with your bizarre obsession with this ride. BTW That's not telling you what to think George, that's my opinion of your contributions ;)
I wouldn't imagine you were serious about signing up, but if you do want to and want to keep your email address private - enter george.b@betref.co.uk.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Just watched what I could of the race. The ATR coverage only really concentrated on the winner inside the last furlong so that was very unhelpful. It would seem that Golams mount lost all possible chance at the start leaving him nothing to do but stay aboard until the finish. The horse did however seem to have plenty in the tank. If the rules of racing state that a jockey should keep riding in order to achieve the best possible finish, then a rule has been broken. You CAN understand a jockey not wanting to do too much however, when seemingly all chance has gone. Then there is the other angle..... MATCH BETTING. If this sort of betting is to remain available to punters, then Jockeys should be forced to ride all the way to the line. Unlike Formula One where team orders are generally adhered to!
No TheFear, I lost respect for anything you have to say when you opined that starting slowly in an AW race is an excuse to be given the benefit of the doubt on whatever happened next. You then said that you couldn't be bothered to go and log in again, before admitting that you hadn't seen the important evidence that is the head on.
Sorry for being rude, but I don't have respect for what you have to say on the subject.
Sorry for being rude, but I don't have respect for what you have to say on the subject.
TheFear, the stewards enquired into what went on in the straight, not what happened at the start.
"The filly’s heart and respiratory rates were within normal levels".
Probably wouldn't have blown a candle out in truth.
Probably wouldn't have blown a candle out in truth.
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