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Are they fruit machines or genuine roulette machines ?
I was convinced the were just like fruit machines which pay out about 60% of what they take in but a mate of mine is convinced it's a genuine roulette machine were you can win thousands.
I was convinced the were just like fruit machines which pay out about 60% of what they take in but a mate of mine is convinced it's a genuine roulette machine were you can win thousands.
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they are giving away thousands everyday...rush in now and the longer your there the more ul win..
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big dunc little brains
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and hes here 12 yrs!!
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man walks on the moon?
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they are real and you can win thousands
now what are you waiting for? |
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Hang on a minute, I don't even play the things, I just asked a question whether my mate or I was right ?
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big dunc clearly excelled in remedial education
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Statistically FOBT payout 97% of all stakes over the long term. Hence betting to such tight margins you can win in the short term.
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With that statement marko you obviously know more about them than me, care to answer the question ?
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big dunc
your opening post is shirley fishing or you have been locked away for many years.............. Most of the bookies profits come from these machines, they take no bets - does that answer your question....? |
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Genuine question marko and i'm very very surprised with equines answer how much they pay out.
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Down to the frequency of play Dunc.
If they taking (on average) 3% of every stake of every spin. If someone is backing £10 a spin and can do 60 spins a minute. That is 30p per spin = £18 per hour So if they can get people playing 8 hours a day, not a bad (no risk) return per day.... multipled by 7 days a week x 365 days a year. This is why they are now open at 8.00am and shut at 10.00pm |
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roulette 36 numbers and the 0 = 37 you stake a £1 = £37 odds are 36-1 so return will be £36 so 36 divide by 37 = 97.29729% thats the house edge so your loss is 100-97.29729 =2.70271
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equine, they can in no way spin 60 spins in a minute
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Difficult to get a straight answer sometimes dunc. It is "real" roulette as opposed to slots type payout.
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Sorry dealer, I have never played them, so it was a a bit of a guess. However, I imagine the frequency is faster than a casino, and the principle still applies... large turnover, low margin
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machines spin once every 21 seconds, e.g. 3 a minute, I don't play them just take the money out at the end of a shift.
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those are the odds for real roulette ie the actual physical wheel
virtual roulette is i repeat NOT roulette but a cartoon game that looks like roulette it is programmed to beat you a physical wheel the ball can land anywhere the virtual wheel the ball can land on a pre determined number called the RNG but that can take into account your already picked numbers |
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Sorry I mean 60 spins a hour, need to adjust my maths
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 think all we need to know is they have 4 machines by law, they would bite your hand off for more, they make fortunes out of them, you can win short term but highly unlikely long term. give them a massive swerve unfortunately many already cant and when playing common sense goes out the window |
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can't believe you lot answered that question seriously
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dependant on the percentage payout shown on the front of the FOBT, the machines may include virtual number(s) that you don't see (call it number 37 if there was one virtual number if you like), If the RNG hits 37 then you will be paid the least amount possible from your board selections. When you see the machine spinning, it is a pre recorded video you are watching, the machine already knows what number it is going to be before the ball lands.
ANYBODY THAT PLAYS THESE THINGS NEED SECTIONING |
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BB especially when they moan about the ball jumping out their number
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If the OP thinks it's option A and his mate thinks it's B and so he asks for clarification and it turns out he was right with option A, then how exactly does that make him daft?
I've seen those machines when broken and needing fixing and you see a screen displaying the Windows logo so that would suggest it's computer programmed and not random. Something else to consider is that it has to know what you have bet on in order to also know whether to pay you out or not. |
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Probably not best to bet on something that can make it's mind up after it has first seen what you have done.
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Ronnie, quick question for you. there is a horse I want to back tomorrow in the big handicap hurdle race at Haydock. Race been priced up by most bookies for last 24 hours. If I come to your shop and and want to take a price (not the best in the village). How much can I get before being referred?
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Swardean
looking at a race like that it's the take out that matters, I would have no hesitation of laying one to lose 1k without calling PTL. one of the most common sayings I hear in the betting shop "these machines are fixed, put me another 100 on my card" |
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so if I asked for 200ew at 12/1, what could I expect to get? going to be likely down to 3 places
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Thanks for the answer Ronnie
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I suggest you join http://www.stopthefobts.org/
If we can hit the profits of these shysters from the easy money they make from these machines they may have to start taking bets |
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So what's the answer to duncs question?
Is it the real roulette take or is it a random take depending on which numbers you pick? Bondy you seem to know a lot about them, what is your view? |
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nope. cannot be random if the algorithm has to factor in a house advantage :)
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If you have seen this you'll know what I'm talking about, and if you haven't you probably will think I'm typing a lot of rubbish, but there used to be a way of winning on roulette because the programmers left open a "back door" where one number would indicate a narrow range of possible numbers on the next spin, if you hit repeat immediately. This was 6/7 years ago. But the proponent I know said that the machines defeated him in the end, so they must have closed that loophole, at least to him. Google "trigger numbers" for the general idea but don't expect the working model to be available on the internet.
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Cambridge boyz invented a gadjet to load it without putting money in..
brainy yes . . . but they didnt think about laddies camras |
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Never played 'em myself - but played real roulette in my younger days.
As dukeofpuke quite rightly says the house edge on "real roulette" is 2.70271 ...and I beleive the FOBT roulette machines are supposed to mimic this house advantage via a programmed algorithm. As a long time "trader" ...I saw an interesting post on FOBT roulette ... Bet equal stakes on both Red and Black ...obviously you don't win ...you don't lose - the machine doesn't register the loss only the win ...it thinks you're winning - so it will start to throw up zeros more often. So you start backing zero ... Poster says after a couple of wins ...trouser the cash move on to the next shop. Never tried it ...and if it worked the bookies have probably altered the algorithm ..but thought it worth a mention...  |
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I agree with dave, no point in fixing owt as the long term profit is built in just like the real game. I suppose some kind of algorithm is required to replace men actually spinning the wheel.
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a good point was made earlier, in real roulette the ball can land on any number, in fobt roulette the number is predetermined by a random number generator, not quite the same imo
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