Betbright closed account after one bet

It doesn't surprise me. But it is still ridiculous.

Irish Maiden Hurdle

Large Stake

Wins by a mile

Bet SP

What the hell do yo expect FFS

Irish Maiden Hurdle

Large Stake

Wins by a mile

Beat SP

What the hell do yo expect FFS

Great bet btw! And very standard practice this. Looks like inside info, why would they take a bet! It is a shame that the GC can't enforce bookies to take betsa for a wee while longer!

He hasn't beaten SP by a massive margin. Could understand it a bit more if he had got on at 7/1 or 6/1.
They can't know whether the OP was informed, shrewd or lucky. But it is pathetic that an account can be closed after one bet.
Sky bet effectively did the same thing to me when I had a monkey each way on a 9-2 winner.

sorry it was 100/30 actually, still I see your point. Also had a couple of blackjack bets in the meantime, so they could see I was a bit of a gambler. Sorry state of affairs. These sites just want to take money from people who cant afford it and have their small bets on horses and footie, with no risk. Very wrong.

RUK sent me an email offering a £30 free bet with this firm. Unfortunately I don't offer bookmakers my custom.
Perhaps you could complain to RUK for supporting them.

All bookmakers need to be enforced to take more bets from winning punters o/w it makes the whole industry farcical.

They checked your MO with traders shared list of non profitable customers. It is now the norm in the industry. Even if somebody decides to blow the whistle it will continue and apart from disgust on the social media platforms nothing will happen.

Single bet with substantial stake. Beats SP. Wins. Account closed.

Nothing unusual I'm afraid, even if it should be.

That's quite a decent stake for a poor maiden hurdle though so I can see why

How much do connections of these horses get on without any problems,surely £300 stake in any race is buttons when you're paying about £20,000 per year to keep them in training.

yep same old , lets just hear from sp betting account closures . far more interesting

Closed after one bet? To last that long is quite good!

Quantize that's stupid talk so they should take bets in better graded races same old story yes but still appalling

@rayman -- They checked your MO with traders shared list of non profitable customers. It is now the norm in the industry.

That would probably be illegal. Is there any evidence for it?

Another possibility is that OP -- knowingly or unwittingly -- was part of a wave of business for this horse, if several people opened accounts on the same day to back the same horse to the same stake.

Youve done the easy bit. No try getting your money

Ramruna there is a list of punters that are non profitable and if you printed it out there would not be enough paper in the World...

The worm will turn though and "terms and conditions" will soon not be enough to protect the "alleged" bookmakers from the new mis-selling scandal..

The Banks have taken their fair share of prosecutions and the "bookmakers" will be next.

If you turn up (I was going to say work) at one of the "major firms" and have been involved in closing down accounts prepare to be prosecuted and be prepared to go to gaol.The fact that the swapping of information is illegal seems to have passed them by.

I have kept all my emails and am looking forward to the day..

Nov 8, 2015 -- 1:20PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

All bookmakers need to be enforced to take more bets from winning punters o/w it makes the whole industry farcical.

Only thieves choose their victims. It makes the so called bookies look like criminals. They should fight with the overround, not against punters. This criminal activity of acting like a bookie but not take bets has been going on for 10 years now, how long will it continue I wonder?

@homefortea -- if the account was closed after one bet because the punter is on a list, why was the account allowed to be opened in the first place? I yield to no man in my distaste for bookies' business practices but in this case is it not more likely that it is what it looks like: the winning £500 bet was the trigger? Perhaps because of its correlation with other bets on the same horse.

Ramruma-There will be no 'List' just a network of traders talking to each other. There will be a management supervisor monitoring traders who make the right and wrong decisions probably with an incentive scheme. Im sure there will be a mugs 'List' also with freebie incentives. I remember being a new customer with ToteCredit many years ago. I was invited to a private box for a good lunch at the races. Talking to my fellow selective guests they all had one thing in common that is they bet heavily and frequently. The host offered to give us personal service and similar treats some owned horses. After several successful bets. I was referred to traders and started to be restricted. Then I started to get discrepancies on my statements. All a ploy to make me go away. In the end I had my account closed. This was a time when no online betting was available. It is so easy to identify non profitable customers now.

Ramruna you get one chance to get a bet on when you open an account if you want to make a statement...

I was there at the beginning and we asked for ID (faxed !) but would take the bets first...

I know that there is a database of successful punters that is being traded but if you have a family member you can make a quick strike before being added to it...

There will be no 'List' just a network of traders talking to each other. There will be a management supervisor monitoring traders who make the right and wrong decisions probably with an incentive scheme.

Agreed.  There's too much at stake for them to not share the information.  I opened an account recently and was on £5 win with 0 bets on the account.  How would they know unless they'd been given advanced notice?

"There will be a management supervisor monitoring traders who make the right and wrong decisions probably with an incentive scheme."

Not sure if the Bantam has a clue..

Does the firm have iesnare or similar device tracking software? Did you click through an affiliate to place the bet? Was the bet placed using a machine, bank account, name or address that you have had winning accounts operating from?

That would suggest that a list is the least of our problems..

I have a floating ip address frog2..

Everytime that I used a new identity I bought a new computer (etc) specifically to use for only that name...

Are you using the same router or any other equipment in your network?

New router every time..

No other equipment that I know of..

A completely clean digital finger print stands out like a sore thumb. As do machines that try to stop the super cookies reporting back to base.

So you cannot bet if you have one and cannot bet if you have not got one...

So the answer is an INTERNET CAFE...

Our only hope is that the EU or government takes note of the finger printing practices and makes it illegal. The home secretary said the other day that security services would not be allowed to routinely access browser history. But surely she realises that firms like the advertising networks already track and store the majority of what we do through digital finger printing.

Best answer is a used smart phone.

But surely they could track the original user...

Yes the device will be tracked by iovation (iesnare) and rated. If one of the bookie firms has blacklisted that device then unfortunately all the other firms will know about it. No problem with data protection etc as it is only the device not the person that has had information shared on.

The situation, as I see it, is as follows:

1. Punter backs a few winners, beats SP, might be an arber, comes to the site from oddschecker, tries to get a sign up bonus or whatever.

2. Bookie A closes the account. He does not want that person back so he blacklists the device so he knows in future not to accept new accounts from that device.

3. Bookie B gets an account signed up. Takes a bet or two. Checks the iovation score and says no thanks because the device is blacklisted.

Is this information sharing? Is this legal? It is the device not the person that has been scored.

It would be obvious what was going on if accounts were not allowed to be set up. Far easier to restrict things after a couple of bets.

frog2 the whole arber thing is a whitewash unless you live in Malawi and the alleged "bookmakers" have been blowing that trumpet since before Roy Castle got his first musical instrument...

However it seems to me that the fact is that information is being shared and that cannot be right...

There has to be a way to get these chancers prosecuted...

It is the device not the person. Is that legal?

Cheers will work on that..

If you access same account for anything in the system from two different devices then those devices will be linked.

"Account restrictions/closures will be revisited, at length. E-mail address is: BettingForum@britishhorseracing.com" - https://twitter.com/HbfBritain/status/664547793684467712

Not sure if the Bantam has a clue..

I was referring more to the part about there being no list as such, but that traders will talk to one another.  For example, what else would one do in that **** that's attached to Spain?

greggreg I have learned so much on here. Ihad a major issue with s ..bet ref to pay me bog prices cos I was restricted without telling me also noticed some firms always make mistakes in their favour when I win, now I know its their way of letting me know not wanted. One thing surely bookies would like winning clients so they could make money themselves following selections? Finally a holding winning on nh selections will I get closed down if I follow his selections say over 5-1 he is on oddschecker by the way.

Shame really, as I think the Betbright website is one of the better ones. I'm restricted to maximum £25, no BOG and no offers - which they failed to tell me about until one of my horses was 2nd @ Donny and they never gave me my money back, as advertised. Also I had all the nonsense of proving my id in order to get my money out.

Bookies share information on "non-mug" accounts. Not illegal, as far as I can see. One particular type of "non-mug" account is one which bets via oddschecker or bestbetting (because the punter is clever enough to look for the best odds). Betnotbrite and Bnowin are at the top of "new" crookies to be totally swerved. Bnowin is the firm which chargers you to withdraw your funds and refers withdrawal requests to s "panel" to see if the request for your own cash is "fair"!

timtin...
"Account restrictions/closures will be revisited, at length. E-mail address is: BettingForum@britishhorseracing.com"

My time would be better spent reading Hergé's Adventures of Tintin...

Self important bunch of self appointed timeservers that will achieve the total sum of nothing...

Jimmythewon..

"Bookies share information on "non-mug" accounts. Not illegal, as far as I can see."...

There certainly cannot be another fella as it is against the Data Protection Act and if proven would mean an unlimited fine and possible closure of the said Company...

It might also run foul of competition law.

I'm sometimes amazed at the naivety on here ...the bookies rely on mug punters for their profits, if some well informed constantly winning (pro)punter takes money off them - of course they're going to close his/her account!
They're not a charity - get real.

they wouldn't know he was a "constantly winning (pro)punter" from one bet.  so if that is the reason for account closure we must presume someone has informed them he is one based on information they have, which would be illegal.

Now we are getting down to reality.

In every such debate some half-wit employed in the "industry" comes on and defends the actions of the alleged "bookmakers"...

If you are barred after a couple of bets it is obvious that you have been tracked by illegal means and even if you are an alleged (pro)punter (and how would they know that as you could be a winner at one rancid organisation and a loser at 15) such gathering of information is illegal..

Imagine if all you did at Tesco's was buy the special offers (as thousands do) and when you got to the till you were told that you had to take the stuff back or even more sinister on a first time purchase told that you were not welcome  as Asda had told them that you only did the same..

Supermarkets closed down...

And that is what should happen with the whole UK "betting industry"...

they wouldn't know he was a "constantly winning (pro)punter" from one bet.  so if that is the reason for account closure we must presume someone has informed them he is one based on information they have, which would be illegal.

If you were a bookmaker and had taken £200 at 7/2 on an Irish horse race from a complete stranger.
This horse is backed into 5/2 and wins by 7L.
Would you be happy to lay his next bet to take out £1K?
I know I wouldn't.

Up to last year,I hadn't had an online account with any bookmaker.

I started with WH,placing a number of £200-£500(Evs-5/4) bets,over a number of weeks,
on a market that only they offer prices on.No problems at all.

I've only had one bet with Lads-£1000 winner at 5/4(best price O/U 2.5)

One day I wanted to place 3 bets on O/U 2.5 and used my account with C@rals
for the first time,it had been opened a few days earlier.
They were top price on one and joint top on the other 2.

I placed a £300 bet on the top price selection.
After a short time they became top price on one of the others
and I placed another £300 bet.

When they became top price on the third,I was offered a max of £25 at 11/8.

They had decided after 2 bets with unknown outcome that I wasn't the type of customer they wanted,
and I understand why they took that decision.

They didn't need any illegal help,as homefortea suggests,because none was available.

It's laughable to think that they would take the risk.

And in reality the amount of money saved would be minimal.

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Up to last year,I hadn't had an online account with any bookmaker.

FREAK SHOW - IS PHIL BULL STILL ALIVE...

Where do they get them from...

You are not even clever enough to own a mobile phone...

I forgot that Betfair is now a bookmaker,
perhaps because I've never attempted to place a bet on the Sportsbook.

dont bother. they restrict you immediately.

The area managers regularly check non-profitable customers. They are given nicknames and rated red/amber/green or similar. The staff will probably know their names.
This information is probably shared with other area managers who can then monitor them in their own shops.
A profitable customer will also be noted.