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therobster27
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.....E.W. bet(s)  in the November Handicap (15.30 Doncaster, Saturday)

Green Light  12-1 generally & Only Orsenfoolsies 25-1 generally.

      I'm not usually one for striking a bet in an anti post market so close to an overnight one being formed, but I'm of the opinion that both horses will show up on Saturday,  with more than a realistic possibility that both could be considerably shorter by the time that overnight market is formed. Another consideration is the ground, which I can only see being maintained as the soft it is already described as( going stick reading presently 6), with the prospect of further  showers / rain over Town moor very much welcomed in relation to both selections chances.

Ralph Beckett is doubly represented on Saturday, with Argus looking as strong a candidate in the 3yrold ranks as there has been for a while. That said this particular age bracket have struggled against their older adversaries in recent years, with plenty of similar improving unexposed types  being put in their respective places by their senior counterparts.  I do however like the prospects of Mr Beckett's other runner, with Green Light not that far behind his stable companion in his latest race over C/D, what, which has in  all intents and purposes turned out to be a trial for the big un, with 10 of that 11 strong field all contesting the race on Saturday. There were a couple of horses I took out of that race, as already stated Green Light, also Only Orsenfoolsies, and I'm convinced the best horse on that particular day was back in 3rd , or possibly 4th .

The visor was applied for the first time on Green Light that day, which evidently made a difference in relation to how he finished his race off . In his previous races prior to that Doncaster race he had been switched off at the rear of the field, Imo given on occasions far to much to do if truth be known.  Lto, possibly because of only a modest gallop being set by Mistiroc,  Green Light found himself more further  forward than in those recent races, looking to travel powerfully just off that gallop. It was evident that in those closing stages that whilst all around him where being vigorously ridden, as the field  crept inside the 2pole Harry Bentley looked to be swinging away with plenty of horse underneath him, sitting probably longer than ideal before forcibly  extricating his mount out behind the ruck, closing down the eventual winner Argus with each stride prior to the real estate running out. Looking at the overall profiles of both horses I'm of the opinion Green Light, at the revised weights  on Saturday should come out on top.
The other horse I took out of the Doncaster race was Only Orsenfoolsies, who on another day could have finished placed, in fact with a better tactical ride he could even have won it. He, like Green Light was stuck in behind traffic as the race developed up ahead, doing more than enough in those closing stages to suggest he would need consideration in any type of handicap Nto, especially if pace was assured.  Looking at the way he has been campaigned this season connections look like they've been waiting for a big purse  that would be contested on soft ground, in that respect the November handicap may have been the target for some time. Most of his wins and decent form  in both spheres have all came on a soft surface or worse, he also looks to get this trip particularly well, unlike plenty in the line up. P J McDonald had been originally booked to ride, which had also been the draw ( for me personally) regards his chance, but Micky Hammond has given Callum Sheppard a very big opportunity in such a prestigious terrestrial televised race, with his 7lb allowance possibly the clincher in this particular arrangement.

GL if you get involved

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By:
IDKW
When: 05 Nov 15 19:44
Final declarations were made this morning, and so you are not playing ante-post.

For what it's worth I' m with Seamour
By:
therobster27
When: 05 Nov 15 19:53
IDKW, I was of the opinion, apologies if wrong, that regardless if you backed a horse prior to an overnight market being formed, you would still be backing in the anti post market ? I'm sure I'm on in that particular market, but will check. thanks
By:
knot in wood
When: 05 Nov 15 20:06
would imagine 11 this morning would be the final decs,a few firms might go 5 places from tomorrow.

gl rob
By:
therobster27
When: 05 Nov 15 20:14
Backed bot this morning KIW, unfortunately did not have time to post then, so have put them up this evening. So IDKW, after the final decs this morning, with most firms it will be NR/NB. KIW if both the same price with 5 places available I may be swayed into an additional couple of wagers, can see NR/NB but only 1/4 as of yet. thanks both
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 05 Nov 15 20:20
Good luck robster.

Not had a look yet, but wonder if like last year, O'Meara has one that is gunna run 2 furlongs further than the rest of the field but still look like it's just joined in at the furlong pole? Crazy
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 05 Nov 15 20:21
In all seriousness, if I had one drawn wide, I'd deffo be telling the jock to take the 'Tudhope' outer route!
By:
therobster27
When: 05 Nov 15 20:31
O'meara's horse was on the short list, Tudhope has rode in 3 of the last 4 renewals, 3rd twice  and a Win... Awake My Soul 12F ?, not for me but they could be famous last wordsCrazy
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 05 Nov 15 20:38
It was beaten 20l in this 2 years ago, but looking at the form comment, it looks like Gibbons either thought it was 5f race or he had a bus to catch!
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 05 Nov 15 20:44
Looks like it been running some shockers in Italy but the handicapper hasn't relented, and I see it failed to sell at the sales last week.
By:
pumphol.
When: 05 Nov 15 21:04
Already backed  Only Orsenfoolsies  Rob, probably one of the better swimmers in the field as this will be a real slog & a horse that won the Victor Ludorum Juvenile Hurdle in the mud will relish this real test come receday.


Not anti post any more anyway think all firms have been NR no bet since the afternoon.
By:
pumphol.
When: 05 Nov 15 21:09
Forgot to add with the claimer up will be  off bottom weight with 7st 10lb, what's not to like Cool
By:
hong kong fooey
When: 06 Nov 15 08:06
Sorry to rain on your parade fellas
Ive got involved with Only Orsen
But at the moment i can stop a train
By:
therobster27
When: 06 Nov 15 08:17
I'm sure ya luck will change soon HKF, it may be one of those races where not that many get into it as it turns into a slog... as pumphol already states, Only Orsenfoolsies won't mind that especially off his feather weight, hoping he will be involved. GL
By:
Facts
When: 06 Nov 15 09:06
Argus for me
By:
onthejim
When: 06 Nov 15 10:12
Argus out!
By:
The Headmaster
When: 06 Nov 15 10:42
Badge holder No.1 of the Only Orsenfoolsies Fan Club signing in.

There is no finer sight in racing than Orsen launching himself off the front end fully 2 furlongs out.

They'll need to be hard bastads to get past him.

Cheers.
By:
TheAnorak
When: 06 Nov 15 10:50
Four of the last ten runnings have been on ground that produced a final time more than 12 seconds slower than standard, including the last two years. Those four races have been won by horses drawn 18,21,22,18 respectively.

Going stick last year was 5.7, in 2013 it was 6.0. Current report gives the going stick reading as 6.0 on Wednesday morning.

Why the draw bias? Because in summer they only water the inner half of the track as you can see from viewing any replay of a 12F race during a dry spell, which shows the part of the track by the inside rail is greener than the part seven or eight horses wide.

By this stage of the season after plenty of rain, the outer half of the track may be genuine soft ground, but the inner half is a quagmire. First to spot this was Willie Carson in 1990, who won the race on Azzaam by racing wide. You may wonder why this has stuck in my memory - well I had the 12/1 runner-up to Azzaam in a double with the 12/1 winner of the Mackeson Gold Cup, which back then was run on the same day!
By:
The Headmaster
When: 06 Nov 15 11:03
I think I can recall Ray Cochrane going round the outside on a solo too...and who can forget young Tudhope last year?  Hope you're reading Callum.
By:
Facts
When: 06 Nov 15 13:21
Re Argus

Trainer Ralph Beckett said: "He's a non-runner. He's fine. He had a dirty trach (tracheal) wash, that's all."



Obviously not ' fine ' or you'd be running him !!
By:
BornToWin
When: 06 Nov 15 14:25
Might as well jump on the reliant robin express! At a pony to 1 why not.
By:
trimmer
When: 06 Nov 15 17:40
Green Light(who was rightly gelded beginning of season).imo best hand.horse in race.
Think he is a mid-nineties horse.
Has been eye-catching all year.One bad run 2 outings ago,but i think he would have
won last time with a clear run(1st time visor).
The 2 draw is a big negative.He needs to get across,but with 19 runners that is unlikely.
Backed it ante-post,but will not be having any more on him.
By:
easygold
When: 06 Nov 15 17:51
Just have a lay-up in running on Green Light........ even with the head-gear I still feel he holds a bit back for himself........ cud go as low as 2/1 or lower.....
By:
Pinza
When: 06 Nov 15 21:08
Filling in the race template shows Green Light lacks a class 1 course win . that's the only negative
Only OrsenFoolsies  has no negatives.
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 06 Nov 15 21:16
Zand
By:
Oldgit1
When: 07 Nov 15 11:21
Recent stats greatly favour the well drawn horses rated between 93 and 99. That brings the field down to four and are all well drawn. Three of them I can't really fancy and Seamour is not value and it may be to short for it.
is it significant that Joe Fanning used to travel to Switzerland to ride Zand when it was trained by John Oxx for the Agha Khan?
By:
metro john
When: 07 Nov 15 11:44
BARWICK e/w for me. Good luck
By:
EVILROYSLADE
When: 07 Nov 15 11:46
First Mohican for me. Win and place. Have a good day, most of you!DevilWink
By:
Cork Langer
When: 07 Nov 15 11:53
Keep seeing Storm Force Ten galloping them into submission from the front, over to you DP to set the right fractions...!
By:
dibdob
When: 07 Nov 15 11:53
Could be git. Best run under Johnston was when Fanning was on board too. Agree with the draw being an issue. Hopefully it can get out wide early so it's not too disadvantaged. It will be telling whether or not money comes for it 5 minutes before the off.
By:
ged
When: 07 Nov 15 11:54
I think Willie Carson also tried the wide route in 1984 on Mick Naughton's Kingswick. It worked, but unfortunately Walter Swinburn tracked him all the way on Abu Kadra (drawn 22 of 29), and then outsped him in the final 2f.
By:
easygold
When: 07 Nov 15 11:59
Storm Force Ten over 12f at Donny??? have the lay-up just in case....
By:
ged
When: 07 Nov 15 12:38
...just noticed Abu K(h)adra going in the next.
By:
Relentless
When: 07 Nov 15 14:16
Esteaming for me - mainly stats based.

Seamour looks the class horse but horses running at more than 14f LTO are 0/29.
By:
Pinza
When: 07 Nov 15 15:16
Last years Daily Mirror showed only one horse that had its best rating on heavy going - Eagle Top the winner
Today there maybe a repeat with Storm Force Ten?
By:
Storm Alert
When: 07 Nov 15 15:19
Nice write up for areally tough race, my three for a bit of fun:

Seamour
Cousin Khee
Only Orsenfoolsies
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 07 Nov 15 15:29
3lb overweight for OO? Shocked

A bit annoying that, I've had a little on even so.
By:
charwell.
When: 07 Nov 15 15:31
Cousin Khee is a huge price @ 16 with the ground key to him and Eton Rambler could sneak into a place at huge odds.
By:
dibdob
When: 07 Nov 15 15:35
Money came for Litigant
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 07 Nov 15 15:36
23s into 12s, incredible. Normal punters no chance.
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