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20 Oct 15
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'The ground was holding us up all year'
Reflecting on the criticism he received from some quarters for his last-minute decision on Gleneagles' participation on Saturday, the trainer said: "What people say doesn't really matter. We do what we believe is the right thing to do by the horse and that is all that matters to us.
"Usually the people who are doing the criticising don't really know what they are talking about. Isn't that the reality of it?
"The ground was holding us up all year. I said no all year and I should have said no again. He's a very low-moving horse and he is just not suited to that type of ground that was at Ascot on Saturday."
He added: "Obviously Gleneagles didn't do much this morning but he seems fine after his race at Ascot and we've put him in the Classic. We'll see how he is over the next few days before deciding if he will travel."
Sooooooo the horse wants firm ground but they are thinking of running him on that Yank muck instead????? Unreal...
Reflecting on the criticism he received from some quarters for his last-minute decision on Gleneagles' participation on Saturday, the trainer said: "What people say doesn't really matter. We do what we believe is the right thing to do by the horse and that is all that matters to us.
"Usually the people who are doing the criticising don't really know what they are talking about. Isn't that the reality of it?
"The ground was holding us up all year. I said no all year and I should have said no again. He's a very low-moving horse and he is just not suited to that type of ground that was at Ascot on Saturday."
He added: "Obviously Gleneagles didn't do much this morning but he seems fine after his race at Ascot and we've put him in the Classic. We'll see how he is over the next few days before deciding if he will travel."
Sooooooo the horse wants firm ground but they are thinking of running him on that Yank muck instead????? Unreal...
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Does seem a bit daft to restrict the horses runs because the ground wasn't right then run him on probably unsuitable ground in the States.
I guess they're not that bothered if the purse is big enough.
I guess they're not that bothered if the purse is big enough.
Bottomless dirt being kicked in his face over a trip too far? Why not run him in the Breeders cup mile where hes gonna get his ground and the right trip? Pure greed imo...
Agreed. Mile is the race for him.
Sure the boys could give us 3 million reasons why it isn't though.
Sure the boys could give us 3 million reasons why it isn't though.
Oh, they'd be bothered all right.
The difference between him winning the Breeders' Cup Classic (proving his versatility at that distance and on a different surface thus opening up the American market) would add a minimum of £30K to his stud fee. And if you consider he'd be likely to cover somewhere in the region of 150-200 mares for his first three seasons (after three seasons he can be judged empirically by results on the track/sales ring) then winning at Keeneland could add an additional £4.5 million per year to his stud earnings, or just under £14m by 2018.
The difference between him winning the Breeders' Cup Classic (proving his versatility at that distance and on a different surface thus opening up the American market) would add a minimum of £30K to his stud fee. And if you consider he'd be likely to cover somewhere in the region of 150-200 mares for his first three seasons (after three seasons he can be judged empirically by results on the track/sales ring) then winning at Keeneland could add an additional £4.5 million per year to his stud earnings, or just under £14m by 2018.
Yes I get that Johnny butttttt he says he has to have fast ground so what is the point in running him on that **** over there as he wont be sighted?
£14m reasons if he wins Kirschingaround. And if he runs down the field they can simply say he didn't act on the surface and his fee will become a little more conservative. It's the no-brainer to end all no-brainers.
Yeah and winning the mile by a distance wouldnt help either....
Exactly, and that's my point. Winning the Mile on turf wouldn't add huge amounts to his fee, it's just another very good race. But winning over 10f on dirt is a completely different matter.
They want to get Galileo's line established in the US.
Ability on dirt doesn't necessarily equate to a liking for fast or soft turf. Can't imagine they haven't tried him on it.
Ability on dirt doesn't necessarily equate to a liking for fast or soft turf. Can't imagine they haven't tried him on it.
So better to go for a contest he's very unlikely to win and just lose a little more stud value than go for a race he should be winning thus adding to his stud value.
Think I'll leave this one alone.
Think I'll leave this one alone.
My point at the start of the thread is that the horse has cat in Hells chance of handling dirt, if he cant handle good to soft on turf so why bother even trying... Surely if he won the mile turf race he would then be classed as a top class miler when he gets hammered in the classic on that muck over there it will mean naff all. I understand the breeding is all they think about but come on give the horse a bloody chance to show just how good he actually is...And as for trying him out on dirt in Ireland having **** kicked in his face for half a mile I dont think anyone would even suggest that has been tried at home with half a brain cell...
I have more than half a brain cell and I am not a pig. 
Do you have a source to validate that claim for you Salmon 
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