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in fairness second was **** blocked
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If you need to ask "why" you should not gambling
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easiest decision ever.
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Ibrahima Sonko 11 Oct 15 14:40
easiest decision ever. really? post your bets on the stewards to back this up. |
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if there was little doubt ,the betting would have been 1.1 to keep it or less .It actually started out at 1.6 ish then drifted
to nearly 2.0. |
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Easiest decision ever.....clown
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to continue ..so neither to lose or keep the race should be considered surprising.
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betfair not paid me yet on backing the fav to win, anyone else still waiting?
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they have now..forget that
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Hampered, bumped and lost by a short head. Easy decision but i would not trust stewards to get it right.
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THEY DIDNT GIVE IT TO THE FAV BY ANY CHANCE
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EASY DECISION,FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV FAV
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I backed the "winner" and no complaints here
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Ibrahima Sonko 11 Oct 15 14:40
easiest decision ever. really? post your bets on the stewards to back this up. |
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It's morally the correct decision but you get so used to seeing the stewards do nothing any other time that when they get it right for once it almost seems as if they have got it wrong.
The moral of this story for jockeys though is that if another horse veers towards you and will carry you off a true line unless you take evasive action, then don't take that action and allow yourself to be bumped because if like the Falmouth a few season ago where Elusive Kate carried Sky Lantern across the width of the track but there was no contact, you are seemingly unlikely to get the awarded the race due to the "oh but there was no contact and the best horse won" nonsense.....Funny though isn't it how "the best horse" didn't win the next time the raced? I imagine though the the connections of Free Eagle watched today's decision with a wry smile! |
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Ibrahima Sonko 11 Oct 15 14:40
easiest decision ever. really? post your bets on the stewards to back this up. dont say he didnt bet 5/4 this easy decision? |
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Think with the stewards its a consistency issue as with football refs.
If the rules were applied the same at every race at every meeting then there wouldn't be many complaints. From the winning margin you could see a view as to why it got thrown out but I've seen a lot worse barely get a mention |
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Anyone having difficulty watching ATR replay? I can't get this particular race on. All others at Chepstow are fine!
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I had no financial interest in the race but I've seen a lot worse and the 'winner' has kept the race.
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In fairness I wouldn't always be willing to bet and trust the stewards to get it right even if I personally thought it was an easy decision to make. I would if it was left to my judgement have thrown out both Simple Verse and Golden Horn but we saw what happened there and some of the Stratford stewards decisions have been a total embarrassment.
That seems to happen a lot EVILROYSLADE whenever there is a contentious decision made but the video then appearers later on. That was my point stewarty b in that we get used to them doing nothing that it's a shock when the do amend and where you can point to other examples when they haven't. |
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Ibrahima Sonko 11 Oct 15 14:40
easiest decision ever. really? post your bets on the stewards to back this up. sonko tarking sh1te |
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Thanks Ima. I look forward to seeing the race later, hopefully.
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No problem but you really need the head on to see the true picture and often the replay videos cut out before showing that angle.
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If the rules were applied the same at every race at every meeting then there wouldn't be many complaints.
And that is pretty much the case. The rules are applied in the best way possible to try and make that achievable. And it's people on here, the very people who benefit from a system where you pretty much know where you stand, who keep spitting out their dummies about it. As above, examples are still being trotted out from 2 years ago. I layed the favourite in this race today and have no complaints with the reversal given that all the pieces were in place for an amended result to be a real possibility. |
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I take on board what you say ima mazed66, but to say that was easiest decision ever. is really going well over the top. (IMHO)
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So then why did the Leger get amended initially and go to appeal to get reversed and why did Golden Horn not get demoted to 3rd in Ireland when he clearly cost Free Eagle 2nd at the very worst?
Or why in very similar circumstances in two different races have the Stratford stewards made the same decison and one goes to appeal and is turned over with it basically being said they made the wrong decision on the day of the first one, and the other just stands on the day of the second one with no appeal, even after they made the same decisions as in an earlier race that got changed on appeal, presumably due to having been judged incorrect on appeal? And my use of a race from 2 years ago of that one was for me was to highlight the inconsistencies when there is and isn't contact despite carrying a horse across the course regardless. Which was why I was suggesting the jockeys should allow for contact and then can use that to their advantage. |
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Irish rules are different from English rules.
The Leger was reversed with most people saying it was the wrong decision given the way the rules are applied. There will also be some situations, as at Stratford, where inconsistencies prevail. The whole idea of the way the rules are applied right now is to try to ensure that the number of situations where those inconsistencies occur are kept to a bare minimum. And as for that race, if the jockey had allowed contact and still been beaten a neck the outcome would have been the same. |
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stewarty b 11 Oct 15 16:36
I take on board what you say ima mazed66, but to say that was easiest decision ever. is really going well over the top. (IMHO) was sonko that said that.  |
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I thought the Nicholls horse's lunge at the line persuaded the stewards. Until then it always looked second best to me.
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Saying Irish rules are different to British rules Marcce doesn't really tell us much unless you highlight the relevance of it in any particular comparisons between two sets of race circumstances. I think Golden Horn would have (wrongly on fairness) kept the race in Britain, yet he still kept it in Ireland too so if the rules are different then why the same decision? What specific part of them are different, as I always thought contact made was more of an issue in Ireland than in Britain.
As for your point about allowing contact and still being beaten a neck that the outcome would have been the same, then why not just do away with enquiries altogether then as it seems like anything goes in Britain and results are rarely reversed. If you are in a head to head battle and fear being beaten then just steer your horse into the other one and carry it off a true line, making it cover far more extra ground than it is beaten by and job done. Yeah the forum can be prone to exaggeration stewarty b and maybe the languged used by anyone claiming it was the easiest decision to make might have had an element of creative licence to it but I was more countering the logic suggesting then why not bet on the outcome. I think he probably knows that roida and was just replying to my response to the suggestion that anyone thinking that, should have bet on the enquiry. I just felt that was a little overly simplistic to say that when we have all seen how inconsistent the stewards can be. |
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Apologies to ima_mazed66. Sonko talking mince imo.
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It should be pointed out for the record that the result was reversed because PP's biggest losing client had backed the losing favourite and it was cheaper for them to initiate paying him out by having the result changed in his favour, than having to provide him with another "free bet"
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That's why it annoys me at times EVILROYSLADE when a jockey is impeded and then gives up and finished a well beaten 2nd and makes the deciosn easier for the stewards by them suggesting the winning margin was significant, rather than that jockey riding to the line to shorten the winning margin and then argue his case.
OK fair enough stewarty b and roida. |
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Very good point IMA.
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And you think PP have the power (no pun intended) to make or force that decision Cork Langer?
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The point about Ireland is why bring it up for comparison purposes to decisions in the UK? Golden Horn kept the race but it was in far more danger of losing it than if it had been a race in the UK. It can only be questioned in regards to being a wrong decision if there are a number of examples of a different outcome in similar circumstances in Ireland.
People keep making statements about "anything goes". That clearly isn't the case. How many stewards enquiries do you get per day, per week, per month compared to the number of relatively close finishes? The whole point is that when you do get a stewards enquiry, as a punter, you want to be fairly certain what the outcome will be and how that decision will be made. The less situations where you get different outcomes from the same circumstances the better. The current rules do exactly that. |
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I think that was a joke ima
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Thank you fife, I had forgotten ima only does serious...!
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