Colm was a sensational in the Stewards room !

girls, hey! ..

I thought that would attract you, have you got your tutu on ?...

onesie on a sat...

I'm not complaining cause I backed them both so will get paid out for bondi beach, and simple verse was first past the post so will get paid out on that as well, only gutted I didn't do the forecast.

Hiya Ronnie, what's the crack with the ''take out 2 grand '' rule ?...

Irish jockeys who have kissed the blarney stone should carry a penalty in the stewards room.

seems like a bit of a c**t, that O'Donoghue

I thought of the two, made a more compelling case !

It shouldn't matter what they say, stewards should just look at the replay. Atzeni was obviously at a big disadvantage with his lack of English.

Man against boy in the stewards

halcyon

its a load of tosh, they say they will guarantee to lay any horse to lose 2k but every bet has to go through ptl, so say no more.

the place gets no better and the staff are treated just as good as they ever were like my shift today 6.35pm to 9.35pm

still I got to watch Doncaster and my Chinese will taste better tonight.

If what you say is correct jockeys should not be allowed in stewards room ,this will get overturned in future appeal!

Tend to agree, it should be more emphasis on what you see, not what you hear

What is the point of having Jockey's doing their woe-is-me act in the Stewards Room?

Don't think they have them in, in the US

Can see both party's point of view, would a D H of been fair ?...   

Best horse lost------best mouthpiece won

He was vv good, next time I'm in court I'll see if I can get him over.

if you ever need somebody with the old chitter chat you need an Irishman, have you ever met one who couldn't talk the back legs off a donkey?

were good for sure!!

Colm spoke very well and quoted the rules, which, sadly, imo, leave a lot to be desired. The stewards followed the rules.
The filly was the best animal and won the actual race.

Colm's horse, along with the al maktoum horse, kept the filly in.
The only way out was to barge, especially as the ballydoyle animal was brilliant at leaning.

I don't know the answer, but how is a runner supposed to get out without barging when hemmed in like that?

Very unsatisfactory result, but , hey, this is fkn horse-racing. Nobody said it would be fair.

Atzeni should have maintained that the two bad bumps he gave BB were directly after BB had been leaning and brushing against his horse for a few strides and that his horse was simply reacting to that intimidation.

Don't disagree with most of that Sean, but surely keeping a horse ''boxed in'' is part of race riding ! ?....

Yes, 'tis part of racing, hal, but I think 'twould be a better game if a man was allowed to barge his way out when leaned on.

In the cart racing, there is allsorts of intimidation and near contact. Some guys are brilliant at getting out.

This was a joint effort to stop the kuwaitis winning, imo.

Over yonder, I see Frankie has gone veering yet again. How many times has he done that now?
The rules are different there.
Unless a baulked runner comes second, he cannot be awarded first place. My bet, Free Eagle only came third, after the incident took the race away from him.

That's racing.
We'll get back in France.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diny3MgdMHY


Colm is one phuckin' superlative barrack room lawyer !

In my opinion Atzeni was very unlucky to lose race. Defo agree Colm can talk the talk.....

Yes, he slightly barged his way out (but plenty of time to recover)and there was another bump later but the Irish horse was leaning into Atzenis anyway and this didn't affect her( which the Head steward didn't mention when he defended his decision!!)and at the end of the day the filly showed more grit and balls!! She wasn't intimidated and stood her ground unlike the colt! If they had a line to show the two horses runs in the final stages it would have 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. She shouldn't have lost race as she just came out the braver of the two.

The filly was certainly very brave, in all honesty I can understand both party's points.......



^ said in jest earlier but, a dead heat may of been the fairest result !

The Oirish underachiever spoke like he was an idiot but would have been well trained by the O'Brien Academy but unfortunately Atzeni did not have the best English either...

For the Stewards it must have been like going into an inner City School..

Under any other Countries racing rules the beast had to go but in this Country where no-one is allowed an opinion the result should have stood..

Day after day we see the same thing and the Stewards have been instructed to let the result stand and fine or ban the jockey..

DOUBLE RESULT AT THE ALLEGED BOOKIES.. Not good for the Levy..

If I was the owner who seems like a gift from heaven for UK racing I would have got in my helicopter and never come back...

Colm talked the talk and I got the feeling that he would have talked his way to victory on either horse today. But it shouldn't be like that, it's not a debate. The stewards can see quite clearly what happened and I'm not entirely sure what the point is of the little debate the jockeys have. The second is always going to say that it cost him the race and the winner will say the best horse won.

I thought it a shame the result was changed. It's horse racing - they're powerful animals. If one has to fight his way out then so be it. Yes they bumped but they both felt it. It was less convenient for BB admittedly but in my eyes he was never passing the filly.

I did feel sorry for Atzeni as he was totally honest saying he did give a bump early on. Shows honesty and integrity don't pay and he'll have to come down to level of other jocks who have the gift of the gab!

I agree with homefortea...Jesus!

I backed the disqualified runner but I got out at 1.18 before the result of the stewards inquiry was known. It appeared to me the possibility of it losing the race was not 6/1 against.

lead on I am the voice of reason..

I have backed more horses in my former life as a backer (at least three a race for the last 15 years) but have been forced to retire due to the fact that no-one will accept a bet from me..

Having a couple of years out fishing  walking and drinking but will be back in the game...

Yes I agree too. I think it left a bit of a bitter taste that the result was changed, looking at both sides, she won the battle and who really knows if??  But that's racing there not machines.  I really don't think it was so bad to lose race.  If the second had been a little known trainer with a gaff jockey on would result have changed?? As in all walls of life its who you are and who you know.

over the rainbow    12 Sep 15 20:24 
I did feel sorry for Atzeni as he was totally honest saying he did give a bump early on. Shows honesty and integrity don't pay and he'll have to come down to level of other jocks who have the gift of the gab!



They were all sat watching the video, how could he deny it happened?

the head on shows just how much of a disgrace that decision was, Colm was trying to bully the filly into a box and the filly responded by bossing his p00fy arsesniffing horse all over the shop

Betfair should open a market on ''the appeal!''


How would you price it ?....

I can't see them changing the result twice

Exactly oneyallbeenwaiting4!  What I have tried to say in a more polite way! She was the stronger and harder than the two.  Saddo he didnt deny it  but nor did the stewards say in their decision anything about Colm lugging into the filly! I'm sure if you were running in a race and somebody was pushing you at the side it would interfere with your state of mind!

Do bookmakers give the concession of paying out on disqualified runners?

Is there anywhere where you can see the head on footage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diny3MgdMHY

over the rainbow, I never said he denied it, you were suggesting he might have. There was no "lugging in" in the first incident, Atzeni steered the filly into a box was simply outmaneuvered.

The fact is that the animal would have been disqualified anywhere else but the UK..

Trouble is that at the moment this is the UK and the result should have stood because they stand every day with such similar interference..

Sorry Saddo I meant he didn't deny it but what I was saying the other horse was also leaning into him in the closing stages. The Stewards didn't seem to take this into account.  What I'm trying to say it was a very close call and at the end of the day the colt was worried out of it (Again) and that's racing. I do think she was the true winner and she shouldn't have lost the race.

the video doesn't actually show the first bump and the manoeuvre that got the filly in the clear. Is that available?

Sep 12, 2015 -- 8:59PM, no moves wrote:

Do bookmakers give the concession of paying out on disqualified runners?

Most pay out on first past the post.

Maybe not most. But some do.

Sep 12, 2015 -- 9:21PM, racingguru wrote:

the video doesn't actually show the first bump and the manoeuvre that got the filly in the clear. Is that available?

you see it on the right hand screen in the stewards room just after the head on, BB is hanging across, either on his own or intentionally by his jockey to try and box the filly in, they come together and the filly gets the better of it, simple as that

I've had a look at the first bit of interference, and although he did ease his way out, it was nothing dramatic, then the second bit of interference occurred after the colt had been leaning on her, so I'm surprised they've changed it under the current rules.

Excellent point by saddo, btw, albeit he's made a split second decision, but there was plenty of time just to wait and ease to the outer rather than riding her into a pocket.

sean rua     12 Sep 15 16:51 
sean rua

I don't know the answer, but how is a runner supposed to get out without barging when hemmed in like that?

Well they're not supposed to and that's the point really in so much as they either have to sit a suffer and hope a gap comes later on or drop back to pull around and make a run, both which will be detrimental to their horses chances and which is why they break the rules and barge out.

Atzeni chose to save ground going up the inner and hope for a split and that's the chance you take really.

homefortea      12 Sep 15 20:16 
The Oirish underachiever spoke like he was an idiot but would have been well trained by the O'Brien Academy but unfortunately Atzeni did not have the best English either...

What, do you mean the multiple classic, multiple Gr1, multiple Grade 1, approximately 30 Group race winning "Oirish underachiever" that one?

korals betting on the appeal 5/6 he keeps it 5/6 he doesn't, the other half's got her usual limit of £25 on that he keeps it.

off now to enjoy the winning Chinese and a decent bottle of Châteauneuf-du-Pape

have a look at Sea The Stars and Zarkava barging their way through Arc fields, you have to have the horse to do it, Bondi Beach wasnt tough enough to keep the filly in and he wasnt good enough to win the race, the decision is a disgrace

Thanks just seen it now properly - definite DQ, been a travesty if they hadn't overturned it.

Racing guru are them eyes painted on!

The first coming together was the filly getting out of the pocket that she had been put in. The second was due to the colt leaning in, which as he was behind her turned her into his path. Bondi beach is a coward, and wouldn't have gone past anyway. Now been given the chance to breed a lot more cowards for a rancid organisation

It's a lot easier to barge another horse out of the way when you know you are going to do it, than it is for that other horse and jockey to be able to resit the barge when they are running their own race and aren't expecting it.

The morally correct decision was made for a change and if you do anything wrong to either improve your own chances of winning or detract from a rival's, then you shouldn't be allowed to benefit from that at the expense of another.

Just because we often see nothing done, doesn't make it right.

spot on noidea, Bondi Beach is probably gay anyway so hopefully he rejects the mares

the mares wont respect him anyway because he just got beat up by a girl today

Ima are you seriously suggesting Bondi beach would have won without the "interference"

Colm wasn't running his own race though, he was trying to stop the filly getting out.

The fact people are querying if bookies pay out on first past the post shows how often a horse is ever disqualified, I have seen dozens of these incidents in the last couple of years & the only one that gets changed is a group 1  event

Cannot deny interference took place, but, I thought Atzeni rode a superb race !


In a pocket, used initiative to get out, and great effort to get the filly home !


Imvho, a very unlucky loser !

Yes duffyg if Atzeni had to sit and suffer when trapped whilst O'Donoghue continued to hold him in, which would have delayed Simple Verse's run or if he (Atzeni) had to take a pull and go around Bondi Beach, considering there was only a head in it at the line.

Pulling around would have cost SV at least a length before Atzeni would have had to get her organised again and summon up a winning run, all right in the final stages of the race. Yet how many times have we seen a jockey trapped on the inner not break the rules, have to let a rival to his outer go on and get first run and then see that trapped horse fly at the finish but the line comes too soon?

If "used initiative to get out" means broke the rules and barged his way out halcyon days then yes, Atzeni used his initiative.

This was a 14f race with 7 runners and reduced to only 4 with a chance of winning at the 2f pole, yet Atzeni ended up boxed in due to taking a gamble that going around the inner would save ground and a gap would open up late on, which didn't and so he had to barge out.

Just think "Sky Lantern".....

Its definitely an advantage to be in the pocket (shortest route and the draft) so in that respect Atzeni rode a beautiful race BUT together with that comes the risk that you get boxed in and don't get the split. You don't have a divine right for the run and don't have the right to barge your way out.

Sabrehill cost me an absolute fortune (would have had all 5 up in a Canadian + an e/w acc) for doing the same thing and he won by miles and still got dqed and placed last!

Andrea broke the rules yes, cannot deny that but, still think he will be the ''go to jockey'' and, ''the one'' we all want to be with in future G 1 events !

If the result is overturned on appeal which I personally think it will would betfair payout on first past post in the re opened stewards enquiry market? I've would I get my £2k back I guess not as the bloke I backed it with would have fooked of with my £2k and betfair would have liabilities some clients may not then have or is that the daftest question ever!

^ If you'd of been ''Colm'' motor roller, Andrea would of kept the race in the Stewards room !   

Have you thought about the CEO job @ ''gobbledygook is us ! ?''

"The Oirish underachiever spoke like he was an idiot but would have been well trained by the O'Brien Academy but unfortunately Atzeni did not have the best English either...": hft.

What a fkn stupid and non-factual statement to come out with!

Irrespective of the result, there is absolutely no point in allowing prejudice and bias to cloud one's views.

Here are the facts:

Both jockeys are top-class. No englishman is anywhere near as good as either.

The kuwaiti horse did break the BHA rules of racing.

Thw rules are poor bc they allow ganging up and boxing in to prevent a certain party from winning. In this case, the slowing down of the al maktoum horse, along with the leaning in by Colm, baulked the filly.
AA found the only way out, ie. barging.
Barging should be allowed.

A major factor that puts so many punters off horseracing is weak jockeyship. Folks on here, as well as many in the betting shops, are quick to slag off jockeys for "not trying" or not being able to get in the clear. Sometimes 'tis like Porsche being hemmed in by Robin Reliants!
Not a good spectacle and very hard on the pocket for those who backed the best engine.

In this case, the filly was much the best animal but was disqualified. Breeders are not stupid, and the sheepish looks of those receiving their trophies reveals the fact that few will want to bother with the nominal Leger winner that was beaten by a filly ( yes, there was a weight allowance, but then your admitting that the lighter pushed the bigger).

All very unsatisfactory to ALL parties.

However, this is no reason for making totally wrong abusive remarks about real-life jockeys, just bc ye've retired to the IOM and broke yer fkn fishing rod.

sean ru    13 Sep 15 09:05
Barging should be allowed.



Oh dear sean, what would people say when a horse or rider is killed because of being barged?

I like the way supporters of the filly use terms such as "eased his way out" and "they came together" for barging.

IMA_mazed66 , just look at home forte as thread on the football forum about Everton getting relegated...its going to be a classic bet fair thread for someone who spouts s##t

I'm putting £50 on owners  simple verse win appeal

bondi clearly moved left

Simple Verse team to appeal Leger demotion

I watched the St Leger for the first time a few minutes ago.  Simple Verse was the winner imo, and Bondi Beach interfered with her.

Homefortea may indeed be an experienced and successful punter but I've noticed from his posts over a long period that he seems to be consumed by some negative prejudice against anything to do with Irish racing.
It's a pity that any factual debate is besmirched by silly gratuitous jibes like calling a jockey an 'Oirish underachiever'.
This is the kind of drivel one might expect from  slobbering drunks in a some bar.
So Homer -how about it ...why not park the prejudice and conduct debate in a sensible and dignified fashion?

Saddo:

horseracing, like life itself, is dangerous.
Horses themselves are dangerous. I was just at a place where one of the kids is crippled for life, having been kicked by a horse in the paddock. Bad things can always happen.

Folk will say "RIP ".

Animal-ri ghters will scream allsorts and continue to call for racing to be banned.

All in all, I still favour being allowed to push out or push back.

Most losers only care bc they lost; most winners don't care a fk, provided they get their money. That's the nasty side of the game.
If some fkr in the bar tried to block ye in so ye couldn't go to the pi ss-house, are ye suppose to just stand there and p yerself?
There is no ideal answer. We have to have a bit of give and take, imo, bc nothing is perfect ( except the dudes on this forum, of course)