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10,000 refugees/migrants trying to get into western europe daily. Another 2 million displaced in Lebanon and Turkey, likely heading our way. What should we do?
Cameron to announce today, how many Britain will take. It is shocking what has happened in Syria, and we need to support these people.
I think we can take about 1/2 a million, and most other western countries should do the same. Most typically young working age without (elderly) dependents. Some would say we should lock the borders, but why?
Impact on your life - very, very low
Impact on their life - immeasurable
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Cameron to announce today, how many Britain will take. It is shocking what has happened in Syria, and we need to support these people.
I think we can take about 1/2 a million, and most other western countries should do the same. Most typically young working age without (elderly) dependents. Some would say we should lock the borders, but why?
Impact on your life - very, very low
Impact on their life - immeasurable
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Totally agree. And if we could send the work-shy, the uneducated, the heavily-tattooed and the obese the other way then we could probably take quite a few more.
Any man who understood capitalism could see that this sort of thing was inevitable.
We need a new global system.
One that is not based on
Boom, Bust, War - the eternal cycle of capitalism.
Short-sighted folk will not be able to see this or understand.
We need a new global system.
One that is not based on
Boom, Bust, War - the eternal cycle of capitalism.
Short-sighted folk will not be able to see this or understand.
Fk me, johhny, don't be talking about Lewisham folk like that!
They're OK Sean, they like to 'look after their own' round there.
I think you are right sean it was inevitable. Once virtually everyone in the middle east and Africa and mobile phone and internet, they could see how much the West has and how little they have. Can you blame them for wanting a better live? This is just the start.
Dont really agree Swar, lots of homeless here, ex army/servicemen who have served the country are living on the streets.. people using food banks etc...
the gov need to spend the money on its own country first, instead of spending/sending millions abroad to help out.
People in this country are willing to take in refugees, but what would they say if asked to take in the homeless etc
from their own country..... just my opinion
the gov need to spend the money on its own country first, instead of spending/sending millions abroad to help out.
People in this country are willing to take in refugees, but what would they say if asked to take in the homeless etc
from their own country..... just my opinion
If we had half a million spare homes and the hospitals and schools to support their new occupants, swardean I would possibly agree with you. Do you think the gov will start a long needed house building programme immediately?
Should have done that years ago.
Tories ( i.e Thatcher ) created the shortage of so ihal housing, by selling off the Council houses. And rather than spend the obtained revenue on a programme of house building, it was banked as a contribution( allegedly) to paying off the National Debt !
Tories ( i.e Thatcher ) created the shortage of so ihal housing, by selling off the Council houses. And rather than spend the obtained revenue on a programme of house building, it was banked as a contribution( allegedly) to paying off the National Debt !
Why don't we just invade Syria and get rid of the problem??
Yeh, we have a good recent record of solving the problems by invading countries don't we ! 
Surely this is not as serious as the Turks at the gates of Vienna in 1683. If that had gone the wrong way we might all be Muslims.
Facts, should have is irrelevant, we haven't enough housing today. I keep looking for answers from people who want to let anyone in, I have heard nothing but good intentions.
Impact on Swardeans life might be very very low but its not low for the your ordinary Brit.
Swardean is a good man so let him do something concrete,let him take in a Syrian family.
Johnny Mustang hates his own but loves the strange,common among the self loathers.
The half a million Swardean wants to let in are Muslim,you don't know how many of them are Jihadists rather than adding to the Muslim population you should be reducing it.
Swardean is a good man so let him do something concrete,let him take in a Syrian family.
Johnny Mustang hates his own but loves the strange,common among the self loathers.
The half a million Swardean wants to let in are Muslim,you don't know how many of them are Jihadists rather than adding to the Muslim population you should be reducing it.
Any suggestions, facts? Not like you to rely on sniping rather than argue your case.
What invasions have gone wrong facts? No need to introduce us to your personal ones just military ones.
Saddo
There is more than enough monies in the government coffers to create a rapid social house building programme. The problem is, as they oversee a Capitalist strategy, so there's no money / profit in it for the fat cats. The only way is to redeploy the wealth( turn the tap down) in this country, out of the few, to benefit society as a whole.
Trouble is we have government who doesn't give a shlt !
There is more than enough monies in the government coffers to create a rapid social house building programme. The problem is, as they oversee a Capitalist strategy, so there's no money / profit in it for the fat cats. The only way is to redeploy the wealth( turn the tap down) in this country, out of the few, to benefit society as a whole.
Trouble is we have government who doesn't give a shlt !
Money Tree cost me thousands!! 07 Sep 15 12:18
What invasions have gone wrong facts? No need to introduce us to your personal ones just military ones.
Are you kidding ?
Here's a clue. Ask Blair !
What invasions have gone wrong facts? No need to introduce us to your personal ones just military ones.
Are you kidding ?
Here's a clue. Ask Blair !
Given that modern history is usually taken to start when medieval history stops ( c1500 ) does anybody really think this is more serious than two World Wars,the Napoleonic Wars,The Thirty Years War or the Rformation/Counter-Reformation ?
Not to mention the desecration of the Grand Prix de Paris by the French Jockey Club
Not to mention the desecration of the Grand Prix de Paris by the French Jockey Club
Facts, what will we do right now to accommodate anyone who wishes to come here right now? Forget waffle about what we should have done, the question is about now.
King of Dubai 07 Sep 15 12:25
Facts displaying his insanity yet again. Both mainstream parties occupy the centre ground, more or less.
Nothing will change as long as we live.
I agree Labour are currently more centre than they should be. Which is why they need to get back to true Socialist values. Corbyn is the man to lead the Party, and fight the evil of Capitalism.
Facts displaying his insanity yet again. Both mainstream parties occupy the centre ground, more or less.
Nothing will change as long as we live.
I agree Labour are currently more centre than they should be. Which is why they need to get back to true Socialist values. Corbyn is the man to lead the Party, and fight the evil of Capitalism.
KoD
I did see the welcome Germany gave the refugees, and it was truly heartwarming. We should be ashamed of factions within our society that spew out negativity and hostility towards these unfortunate people.
I did see the welcome Germany gave the refugees, and it was truly heartwarming. We should be ashamed of factions within our society that spew out negativity and hostility towards these unfortunate people.
We spend around 12 Billion annually to overseas aid. We could temporarily divert some of this in the Welfare for the refuges. Engage in social housing projects in deprived areas, to give jobs to British workers and build new communities. These jobs and communities will feedback in the state and that money can be re-cycled. However, as Koi stated, we could be doing this anyway for people already here who are struggling.... and the government are not interested
At the end of the day we are all people and country borders are just artificial boundaries someone one drew up. Is there a reason two people born on two sides of any arbitrary divide, should be treated so differently.
At the end of the day we are all people and country borders are just artificial boundaries someone one drew up. Is there a reason two people born on two sides of any arbitrary divide, should be treated so differently.
The Germans havent enough young people,they need cheap labour.
All those welcome signs were choreographed by the ruling elite,it was government workers doing the welcoming.
There will be conflict in Germany just wait til you see the size of the next Pegida march.
Always remember immigration suits Big Business,the rich and ruling elites.
It doesn't suit the ordinary worker as he bears the brunt of it.
All those welcome signs were choreographed by the ruling elite,it was government workers doing the welcoming.
There will be conflict in Germany just wait til you see the size of the next Pegida march.
Always remember immigration suits Big Business,the rich and ruling elites.
It doesn't suit the ordinary worker as he bears the brunt of it.
Wildman, I think the German people are still very aware of their past and feel an obligation to accept and pay for their history. Whether this comes back to bite them who knows. But the point you make is correct, they still have a significant rural, manufacturing industries that need servicing.
There is a macabre parallel, that they are now receiving trains from the East.
There is a macabre parallel, that they are now receiving trains from the East.
The do-gooders in the press are showing us what they want us to see. Germany welcoming the migrants. You never see an interview with someone from Germany questioning the policy.
The German policy is only going to encourage more and more migrants to risk their lives crossing from safe Turkey to Greece.
Their needs to be a European decision on how many can come and they need to come if they are in real danger. If they are in a safe camp somewhere should they be allowed to come to Europe? If they are why should people from India, China, All of Africa etc not be allowed to come if they feel they can get a better life in Europe?
Germany chooses to take 800,000 but once they are in and have passports they can move anywhere in Europe.
The left-wing press will find another story in a week or two anyway.
The German policy is only going to encourage more and more migrants to risk their lives crossing from safe Turkey to Greece.
Their needs to be a European decision on how many can come and they need to come if they are in real danger. If they are in a safe camp somewhere should they be allowed to come to Europe? If they are why should people from India, China, All of Africa etc not be allowed to come if they feel they can get a better life in Europe?
Germany chooses to take 800,000 but once they are in and have passports they can move anywhere in Europe.
The left-wing press will find another story in a week or two anyway.
frog2 they did show an unhappy German but it was slanted as he was of course a snarling tatted up skinhead.Like you I am sure not all Germans support Merkel's policy.
That photo, Koikeeper, is a photo-shopped one of the Northern Rock bank run, as you probably know only too well.
Supposedly there are 635,000 empty properties in the UK.
Problem solved.
Supposedly there are 635,000 empty properties in the UK.
Problem solved.
There's about 80 million people in Germany. How many were there to greet these people? Of course you will get all sorts in a society and when the people in power wish to manipulate the populace here will always be gullible people willing to do their bidding.
........ makes you think though...because in reality..its true
Military intervention is the only option
The press outside of the UK gives a more balanced reporting of reaction to Merkel's decisions.
The press outside of the UK gives a more balanced reporting of reaction to Merkel's decisions.
The lads down the pub give a more balanced view than much of the UK press !
The lads down the pub give a more balanced view than much of the UK press !
We are in the opening throes of the third world war , some call the problems in the middle east a conflict or a situation but in reality it is a war and a war that will inevitably escalate rapidly . We are being attacked by organisations whose beliefs are 600 years behind the times and have no regard for life , whether it be theirs or others .
I find it sad that so many can say that the "Vast majority " are peace loving people when in reality the peace loving majority of any community are irrelevant when a proportion of their ilk want to cut your heads off as the " vast majority " never band together to slap down the radicals, fanatics or aggressors and are ultimately sucked into "do or die " politics . Im sure that history could tell us that the " vast majority of germans in the 1930s , or japanese during the same period were peace loving folk but look how that ended up .
That there will be a full blown world war involving the west and islam is inevitable and has already started and i feel sorry for the great many peace loving muslims ,christians , bhuddists hindus or what ever as everybody will be caught up in it .
The plight of fleeing refugees is sickening and of course we must do what we can to help as humans to other humans but there will come a time that there will be internal as well as international conflict between terrorist organisations or call them what you want and i think that eventually the beneficiaries will be the ultra strong and ruthless chinese.
I find it sad that so many can say that the "Vast majority " are peace loving people when in reality the peace loving majority of any community are irrelevant when a proportion of their ilk want to cut your heads off as the " vast majority " never band together to slap down the radicals, fanatics or aggressors and are ultimately sucked into "do or die " politics . Im sure that history could tell us that the " vast majority of germans in the 1930s , or japanese during the same period were peace loving folk but look how that ended up .
That there will be a full blown world war involving the west and islam is inevitable and has already started and i feel sorry for the great many peace loving muslims ,christians , bhuddists hindus or what ever as everybody will be caught up in it .
The plight of fleeing refugees is sickening and of course we must do what we can to help as humans to other humans but there will come a time that there will be internal as well as international conflict between terrorist organisations or call them what you want and i think that eventually the beneficiaries will be the ultra strong and ruthless chinese.
That is a real possibility with russia becoming ever more involved
while here the european community continues to drag its heals offering no balanced solution while many countries face escalating disruption with no end in view
macedonia has already used forceful crowd control while other countries en route are crying enough , as usual the germans were well organised and put structure in place to keep all migrants together where they can cause minimal disruption , but germanys patience will eventually wear thin while other member states look the other way
the biggest problem is who is among the migrants with a real threat there will be terrorists traveling amongst them , so immense pressure is being placed on countries at the sharp end to register these people
No one has seen anything like this before so early temperatures are warm to migrant plight so far but im going 1.01 pretty soon there will be a reaction as more and more pour out of syria into ever less patient european countries
while here the european community continues to drag its heals offering no balanced solution while many countries face escalating disruption with no end in view
macedonia has already used forceful crowd control while other countries en route are crying enough , as usual the germans were well organised and put structure in place to keep all migrants together where they can cause minimal disruption , but germanys patience will eventually wear thin while other member states look the other way
the biggest problem is who is among the migrants with a real threat there will be terrorists traveling amongst them , so immense pressure is being placed on countries at the sharp end to register these people
No one has seen anything like this before so early temperatures are warm to migrant plight so far but im going 1.01 pretty soon there will be a reaction as more and more pour out of syria into ever less patient european countries
We may look back in years to come and decide that living in our era was the ultimate time to live, those before and those after never had it as good.
That's true. An age when a bunch of layabouts, scroungers & parasites can spend the day pontificating about hypocrically about an issue such as this.
Captain Christy has a soft spot for the religion of peace,why he wants more of them.
This is accompanied by a visceral hatred of anyone who claims benefits,especially the ones that have paid in for years.
The visceral hatred melts when the Roma claim on their first day n Britain,melts when Imams claim for their many wives.
He is like facts a self loather that hates his own but loves the strange.
This is accompanied by a visceral hatred of anyone who claims benefits,especially the ones that have paid in for years.
The visceral hatred melts when the Roma claim on their first day n Britain,melts when Imams claim for their many wives.
He is like facts a self loather that hates his own but loves the strange.
wildman
Which category do you come into - layabout, scrounger or parasite? (I am assuming that you don't dirty your hands by working).
Which category do you come into - layabout, scrounger or parasite? (I am assuming that you don't dirty your hands by working).
Wildwoman hope you are proud of yourself, the dosser's best mate
Just back from the Greek Islands and seen for myself the way it's all panning out...it's a huge conveyor belt (thousands per night making the short crossings) and it ain't stopping. It will probably settle down over the coming winter months but come next spring the numbers will multiply exponential now they have all got wind of the free ticket to riches in the wealthy Euro regions.
Merkel needs to re-think this open house policy quickly...she is about to cause an astronomic political headache.
Merkel needs to re-think this open house policy quickly...she is about to cause an astronomic political headache.
Rydal not alone do I work but I do it with my hands and have done so all my life.
My sympathies are with people who have always worked but find themselves priced out of the market by cheap labour,they have already paid into the system.
Facts and Captain Christy have sympathy with the Roma,with Eastern European metal thieves,with the polygamous Imams the ones that put nothing in but take plenty out.
They are that strange breed that despise the British working class but love the strange.
My sympathies are with people who have always worked but find themselves priced out of the market by cheap labour,they have already paid into the system.
Facts and Captain Christy have sympathy with the Roma,with Eastern European metal thieves,with the polygamous Imams the ones that put nothing in but take plenty out.
They are that strange breed that despise the British working class but love the strange.
You have to feel for the Greeks, the economic crisis and migration affecting their one good point (tourism).
Financially sodomised by Merkel and co only to see em throwing billions at any newcomers who turn up.
You're like a broken record wildwoman, forever regurgitating the same old shiiite
Germany at least doing their bit (although whether you think this approach is encouraging more is debatable). Can't leave it to those countries on the borderline as Greece and Italy would be screwed. We all need to take a joint approach and responsibility
Questions need to be asked of Qatar and Saudi, both huge, in the region but would rather give money that take on any responsibility. That said the media has turned the head of the refugees and they are now focused on Europe.
Questions need to be asked of Qatar and Saudi, both huge, in the region but would rather give money that take on any responsibility. That said the media has turned the head of the refugees and they are now focused on Europe.
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