t s on saturday

thanks Ash, sign of the times that with the exception of TW in the Sprint they are all pretty much the same price on here!

thanks ash , your a really decent chap .

Has G.Delemere  got any please Ash

Never mind them, does anybody know what the Weaselwise is?

g delamere 
notarised, oasis fantasy 
mattmu, gordon lord byron

Many thanks Ash

What on earth is Jack Hobbs doing running in group 3 on dirt ?

Ibrahima Sonko 05 Sep 15 08:01
What on earth is Jack Hobbs doing running in group 3 on dirt ?


Jockey William Buick feels "very privileged" to be Jack Hobbs' companion as the Classic-winning colt takes the final step towards the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at Kempton on Saturday.

Rather than head to Longchamp for an Arc trial next weekend, trainer John Gosden will instead use the totescoop6 September Stakes as preparation for the main event on October 4.

Runner-up to stablemate Golden Horn in the Epsom Derby, the Godolphin-owned son of Halling went one better in the Irish equivalent at the Curragh with a spectacular five-length victory.

Connections are unruffled by the prospect of Jack Hobbs competing on Kempton's all-weather surface, with Buick adamant the mile-and-a-half September Stakes is a more logistically suitable assignment than successive visits to France.

He said: "He's done very well for his break since the Irish Derby and it's a nice step for him before the Arc.

"He doesn't have to travel all the way to France to have a run.

"Kempton is only down the road and it's a level, even surface - a surface which he trains on most days.

"I think it's a very good idea and he's in good shape.

"The Prix Niel for the three-year-olds and the Prix Foy for older horses are fantastic prep races, being around Longchamp and over the same trip (as the Arc), but when you come from England you have to travel all the way there and then come back again three weeks later.

"It is an ask, especially for three-year-olds. I think it can only help the horse the way John has chosen to do it.

"He's been pleasing everybody at home. He's always going to be a horse for the long term and I think physically he's done very well for the break.

Morning K.O.D

non runners not helping the last few followers of dear old tom
distant past  10/1 not 14/1
field of dream 10/1  not 14/1
not rverting  punters have no hope

odd, bf held all prices from 8-30 to 9-15am in shops.

sequence broken with 1/2 a win.

WD ash and co. Hoping he is also right with Rhythmical.

One thing I can never understand is people choosing to follow tipsters. I can understand it maybe in the distant past, but now all the information you could possibly need is there for you. You have form, video replays, trainers comments and so on.

Back your own judgement for god's sake.

I will try that, tar.

Not to read a man who still moves mkts  is one thing i can never understand

Sep 5, 2015 -- 4:43PM, lewisham ranger wrote:

One thing I can never understand is people choosing to follow tipsters. I can understand it maybe in the distant past, but now all the information you could possibly need is there for you. You have form, video replays, trainers comments and so on.Back your own judgement for god's sake.

Some people are a lot better than others at picking winners. Some people just don't have the time. Some people do follow their own selections but see the advantage of making money from a profitable tipster.

People can increase their income by following tipsters - that's why they follow them. It's hardly that difficult to understand.

People can increase their income by following tipsters

Actually the only possible outcome of following profitable tipsters, and not losing the money back on other bets, is that you won't be able to follow them any more...

The only possible outcome of living is that you die.

But what's the point of looking at it like that?

his stake is £5 now,

But following a tipster like Pricewise has clearly not been profitable of late.

I just wouldn't have the discipline to sit there while he's on an extended losing run, I'd rather back my own judgement.

how did he do today?

Sep 5, 2015 -- 6:03PM, lewisham ranger wrote:

But following a tipster like Pricewise has clearly not been profitable of late.I just wouldn't have the discipline to sit there while he's on an extended losing run, I'd rather back my own judgement.

And obviously you can't avoid losing runs any more than Tom Segal can. We're all rolling a dice. Maybe you choose lower odds/lessen the numbers on your dice/lessen the losing runs but at the end of the day it's all about profit and nobody cares about the losing runs at the end of the year.

Making a profit is 50% selections and 50% staking plan. I think a lot of people who complain about losing runs are failing at the second bit.

If I'm on a losing run I'd rather it be my losing run though. Following tipsters just smacks of laziness and a lack of confidence in your own skills to me.

with so much racing on Saturdays these days, i'd imagine it's lack of time as much as anything...one of the reasons trends have become popular, cos it takes less time than studying form for dozens of runners

Sep 5, 2015 -- 6:30PM, lewisham ranger wrote:

If I'm on a losing run I'd rather it be my losing run though. Following tipsters just smacks of laziness and a lack of confidence in your own skills to me.

If you spot a profitable tipster and judge that you can make >£x in a year then why wouldn't you follow them? Regardless of if you're doing your own selections or not. You can do both. 
It's all about making money. Some might say putting all your eggs in your own basket is stupid.

Couldnt agree more pjay. I lost approx 75k over 15 years through my own selections and won approx 45k in 4 years following tipsters. I know whose judgement i trust!!!

Erm Siralex? ...so after losing 75k over 15 years - you made 45k over 4 years so you down 35k.. so in reality another 3 years you should make that deficit up ...

But in a total of over 20 years you have made nothing out of gambling...

Something tells me you should stop in 3 years time... before that boat runs out.

Hi iris.
Yep I actually only wanted to get to £50k and i could have stopped then if I wanted to. Lost a bit over the last 4 months due to no accounts and cut down on number of bets and stakes.
I was just happy to stop losing after my irresponsible years.

Exactly siralex, it can take years for someone to find something that works for them, most never do (I have gone from losing big time to perhaps breaking even on nags).

However, following (good) tipsters, will get you shut down pretty quickly, plus difficulty of getting on above SP.

Im glad it works for you ... nothing worse than losing tbf ... but in reality yours is a real positive story but generally tipsters (who charge) aren't very good... 

I suppose in Toms case you pay £2.70 which is not bad despite his bad run ... and you can get his tips free (from Ashleigh)...  Don't get me wrong not a fan of his tipping... but if it gives you that Saturday buzz ... then its all good but paid tipsters are generally bad.

But people should try to be braver stake less and read the same thing tipsters read ...

I haven't followed Tom for about 18 months. His record over that period is shocking. He made 36 points last year to level,stakes and that's not taking into account the prices u can't obtain and this year he is down!
I don't pay a penny for tips and haven't done so at all this year. I trawl through Twitter, betfair forum, Facebook, Internet, papers, competitions like bet share and betfref to find my tipsters.
The ones who were good I used in the past were overpriced horse tips and valuehorsetips. They are still ok but they Both charge and the prices are impossible to obtain as they both put up selections the night before. That's fine if u r betting in fivers or tenners but my stakes were in the 3 figures and that's why I spent approx 2 hours a day just trying to get my bets on which has led to me dropping them and moving onto other tipsters whose selections don't move the market.

I do agree with trying to back horses that don't move the market ... I avoid backed horses.. you fare better in the long run... If pricewise tips something its off my list straight away - found getting the price (or not getting it) makes you get obsessive about the price and takes your eye/edge off whether the horse will actually win...

so in effect you get a 33/1 shot finishes on the off at 9/1 but loses ... but you left happy cos you got the price... but actually its a loser... and factors that reduced the price was not its chance or form - but that everyone else backed it as a result of a tipster... or being backed the night before...

but yeah you seem to have a method that works for you well...

somehow I couldn't revel in being a sheep, but if it works for you good luck.

I remember once backing a horse that was 16-1 or less with all the bookies but I decided to leave it
and take the sp luckily the sp was 33-1 but it just shows you how unpredictable the market really is.

Sep 5, 2015 -- 11:03PM, lewisham ranger wrote:

somehow I couldn't revel in being a sheep, but if it works for you good luck.

Almost everybody is doing it themselves. Maybe you're the sheep?

i like reading toms column on a saturday sometimes he makes a good case for something at a price, i always up my bet of he tips up one i fancy as a bit extra confidence

not sure how any sort of judge could tip tiggy wiggy thou

i like reading toms column on a saturday sometimes he makes a good case for something at a price, i always up my bet of he tips up one i fancy as a bit extra confidence

not sure how any sort of judge could tip tiggy wiggy thou

Works in reverse for me. If PW has tipped my selection, I know I've chosen the wrong horse !

And certainly, his current 'success '  at tipping is so dreadful I fail to understand your logic.
' Extra  confidence ' ! - on what basis ?

Why have the actual Pricewise selections that Ash originally listed in the opening post been removed - is it some sort of copywrite thing.

Surely once they are in the public domain through the paper or RP website it's allowable to post them elsewhere - e.g. if the Racing Post website announces a horse is a non runner in the weekends big race is it against Betfair policy for someone to post that info on the forum?

dont get the duretto bet ,£55,green it didnt win?12.0

to follow the logic through
if a bloke came upto you at the races and said my horse in the next is going to run a big race at 33,s,its ready to run for its life and i think it will win,you,d say thanks mate but i fancy horse x in the same race,or in other words the holy grail of racing inside info is redundant if you only believe in making your own decesions

yes - if you went around listening to "certs" from people in the know...  you would be pretty broke in a few months...


If its a trainer, jockey ... owner... giving you info - well fantastic lump on - but I speak for myself - never even been face to face with them to even get a nod let alone a convo...

How many big gambles go in ... particularly on a Saturday... compare that to how many get gambled on... r

Its the "quiet" horses that don't fluctuate the night before that seem to surprise on the day - Nakeeta is a good example... was second to Polarisation.. who was the original favourite for the race... sitting at the bottom... totally ignored ...