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xaar
03 Sep 15 18:08
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money cannot be made of horses ive had enough Cry
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Report batman50 September 3, 2015 7:10 PM BST
money can be made by laying if your not greedy
What did u lose on?
Report hulk23 September 3, 2015 7:11 PM BST
it's the only option xaar, sorry to hear that.


see you tomorrow.
Report basilbrush September 3, 2015 7:13 PM BST
Loads packing the horses up, there are better betting options, had to laugh yesterday when someone said Football betting was unpredictable. Football couldnt possibly be anywhere near as unpredictable as horse or greyhound racing. Too many poor jockeys giving awful rides by accident or design, thats the major problem punters face.
Report ZEALOT September 3, 2015 7:15 PM BST
what is you betting bank ?

what is you liability on each selection ?

what is you longest losing run ?

what could be be biggest drawdown ?
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 7:20 PM BST
i'd say football in the premier league is as unpredictable as anything at the moment Shocked
Report ZEALOT September 3, 2015 7:20 PM BST
Basil - winning at horseracing is like a science . The psychological demands that is entails is a massive challenge .

The reason why most lose on the horses is because they have no idea what the expected profit should be regarding turnover .

Winning at horseracing is indeed possible but dont plan to win your fortune in a day or a week .

Plan it over a number of years .
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 7:21 PM BST
laying liverpool every home game would have bagged you a nice profit last 10 years
Report Facts September 3, 2015 7:22 PM BST
Zealot - correct.
Report Steamship September 3, 2015 7:31 PM BST
I would suggest having 2 betting banks
1 for your serious bets and the other for your fun bets, keep a record of all bets and why you backed/layed them. After a period of time you may realise that you can do it but need to be more disciplined or you can't and just do it for fun.

I know that day to day betting on the horses is no good for me.
Report Tightfisted September 3, 2015 7:43 PM BST
If only they would let the horses race without jockeys... putting a carrot/nosebag in front of them during the race then flipping it behind them after the post.  No more armchair jockey crying foul. Plain
Report jamesdean September 3, 2015 7:45 PM BST
As apposed to having the Betfair carrot lay button in front of the jockey's nose
Report ZEALOT September 3, 2015 7:47 PM BST
The game of horseracing is packed with many variables . It is an "intellectual challenge" but the psychological part of it is the biggest to overcome .

If you started with a £2,000 betting bank and increased it by 50% each year it wouldnt take long to build up a small fortune .

Youve got to treat it like a business and dont get too greedy !!!!
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 7:51 PM BST
expecting 50% off a £2k bank with proper staking is unrealistic
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 7:53 PM BST
most people fail because it's bl00dy hard not because of lack of discipline.
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 7:56 PM BST
I wouldn't like to estimate how many threads i've read on here that state lack of discipline being the down fall. What usually has happened is the bank has been built up quickly with rash staking that has just happened to come off, then it collapses in the same way.
Report ZEALOT September 3, 2015 7:57 PM BST
would you say so striding ?

laying to 5% and increasing/decreasing liabilities with betting bank ??

what would be your approach ?
Report Facts September 3, 2015 7:58 PM BST
stridingedge     03 Sep 15 19:51 
expecting 50% off a £2k bank with proper staking is unrealistic



It is. The reality is, it should be much more than 50%.
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 7:59 PM BST
sorry i was thinking of turnover FFS

been a long day Devil
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 8:00 PM BST
i'll sit in the corner for a few mins
Report Facts September 3, 2015 8:01 PM BST
Lol. Couldn't believe what I was reading !
Report ZEALOT September 3, 2015 8:01 PM BST
ok striding Cool , cheers .

Maybe mate but it is still a good starting point for an habitual loser !!!
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 8:02 PM BST
no i can't either facts, i was thinking about a 50% roi each year LaughWhoops
Report xmoneyx September 3, 2015 8:19 PM BST
what percentage of bank Ido you stake long term?
Report hasty September 3, 2015 8:19 PM BST
95% bent .it cant be done
Report ZEALOT September 3, 2015 8:21 PM BST
what you mean x ?
Report xmoneyx September 3, 2015 8:22 PM BST
eg

bank 1k

what's best ave bet 1%.2%?
Report onlooker September 3, 2015 8:25 PM BST
basilbrush 03 Sep 15 19:13

Loads packing the horses up, there are better betting options, had to laugh yesterday when someone said Football betting was unpredictable
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Only last Saturday ...

Liverpool 0-3 West Ham

Chelsea 1-2 Crystal Pal
Report ZEALOT September 3, 2015 8:26 PM BST
what is your average price ?
Report ZEALOT September 3, 2015 8:26 PM BST
and your strike rate ?
Report deadbrain59 September 3, 2015 8:40 PM BST
30% return,is feasible laying short not odds on,profit south africa, mdns.every monthMischiefMischiefHappyHappy
Report xmoneyx September 3, 2015 9:13 PM BST
362 racing days a year

362 x £25 = £9050
Report basilbrush September 3, 2015 9:19 PM BST
Onlooker....on the face of it those two games were surprising results, but not to everyone. Neither result really shocked me, Chelsea have been badly out of form and I actually laid them. Similar comments apply to the Liverpool game, Liverpools team last eyar was the worst I can remember in my entire lifetime. Both Chelsea and Liverpool are there to be beaten at present, even by average teams like West Ham and Palace.
Man Utd also look vulnerable as like Chelsea and Liverpool they have misfiring strikers. I dont think Football is unpredictable when compared to horse racing or dogs mate.
Report stridingedge September 3, 2015 9:27 PM BST
liverpool are one of the worst value punts in football consistently mate

and i'm a fan

I Think if you are better at something it's natural to assume it's easier to read perhaps?

just stick to what you are best at

i rarely touch football
Report roida September 3, 2015 9:30 PM BST
basilbrush    03 Sep 15 21:19 
Onlooker....on the face of it those two games were surprising results, but not to everyone. Neither result really shocked me, Chelsea have been badly out of form and I actually laid them.

***go on basil..post the lay.***
Report basilbrush September 3, 2015 9:39 PM BST
Too easy to fake that sort of thing, it doesnt mean anything, and I certainly wouldnt do anything at your request Rioda, as your just a troll. It makes me laugh that you use a couple of your other identities to big you up as a top punter, never read anything so ridiuculous in my life, Troll On you complete loser.
Report basilbrush September 3, 2015 9:41 PM BST
9000 posts in 4 years, delusional fanatsist imho.
Report Facts September 3, 2015 9:42 PM BST
Stakes =  2% of Racing  Bank
Report the bloob September 3, 2015 9:52 PM BST
I would say if you're backing on horses it all depends on what sort of prices you typically back at. If you focus on mostly e/w bets and rarely back at 3/1 and lower then 2% of your bank should be a nice bet, typically 1% for a normal bet but be willing to go up to 5% as a max bet.
Report roida September 3, 2015 9:52 PM BST
basil tarking complete shyte again...aftertiming at its best and no lay to post

WAC
Report northanlite September 3, 2015 10:00 PM BST
the op found it funny earlier in the day when The Yank took a crashing last fence fall.
Karma!
Report roida September 3, 2015 10:00 PM BST
Surprised
Report duncan idaho September 3, 2015 10:20 PM BST
Bloody hell, they're dropping like flies this week....Sir Bond, ALIEN SEX FRIEND and now xaar...bit o' soft ground and it all goes t!ts oop  Sad
Report roida September 3, 2015 10:27 PM BST
does anyone on here win overall?  why would anyone pay 20% of winning in tax?
Report Greg_Gory September 3, 2015 10:43 PM BST
hahaha gotta love this forum LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report trademark September 4, 2015 7:10 AM BST
Football betting I find extremely tough, win a bit, give a bit back. Be happy to be level over a season! Horseracing is a walk in the park in comparison! Bank of £2000 i'd be looking net £5k profit pa min. Easily doable with discipline and an edge.
Report deadbrain59 September 4, 2015 8:27 AM BST
tom segal (pricewise),59 losers,up to now.Mischief
Report ZEALOT September 4, 2015 10:33 AM BST
Trademark -  when do you place your bets on the exchange ?

Seems a lot harder now to get matched imo
Report xmoneyx September 4, 2015 10:47 AM BST
easier to get matched plenty of fish site(p.o.f)
Report ZEALOT September 4, 2015 5:44 PM BST
cheers
Report thirty-three September 4, 2015 6:14 PM BST
"Stakes =  2% of Racing  Bank"


Can't see the point of having a large bank and only betting 2 per cent.

Is it just there to make you feel better when you lose yer 2% stake?
Report ZEALOT September 4, 2015 6:38 PM BST
THIRTY - Do you anything about losing-runs ?
Report ZEALOT September 4, 2015 6:39 PM BST
^^^

know
Report deadbrain59 September 5, 2015 7:14 AM BST
2 group races ,haydock,trainers in profit, w haggas, j gosden r hannon dusty bin.MischiefMischief
Report Kerrygold September 7, 2015 6:31 AM BST
dont blame you if you are giving up ,can be a hard game..hard mentally
Report Deltâ September 7, 2015 8:15 AM BST
stop buttering him up ...
Report trademark September 8, 2015 12:37 PM BST
ZEALOT • September 4, 2015 10:33 AM BST
Trademark -  when do you place your bets on the exchange ?

Seems a lot harder now to get matched imo

Between 30 and 5 mins before the off 95% of the time. For my stakes I don't have much trouble getting matched. I'm full time on here and have been for 8 years now. Being truthful i've never had it as good on Horseracing as i've got it now. Taken a lot of hard work and tears to get to this point. You should know within 12 moths of starting full time if you can make it pay...not for everyone. Be lucky
Report onlooker September 8, 2015 1:43 PM BST
thirty-three 04 Sep 15 18:14 

"Stakes =  2% of Racing  Bank"


Can't see the point of having a large bank and only betting 2 per cent.

Is it just there to make you feel better when you lose yer 2% stake?
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King of Dubai 07 Sep 15 08:31 

Can't see the point of having a large bank and only betting 2 per cent.


On the contrary, thirty-three. 2% would be too much normally unless you back odds on exclusively.

Backing Pricewise with 2% would have seen you virtually wiped out.

================

As King of Dubai has indicated ...

It's, "there," -  to keep you in the game - both financially, and equally importantly, mentally - when the unfortunate, or inevitable, losing sequence would otherwise have wiped you out.
Report RothmanMike September 8, 2015 1:50 PM BST
Anyone who doesnt understand the need to have a substantial reserve bank in place,has clearly no plan to his betting and trying to explain the need for such funds is a complete waste of time .
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