Finally a decent pundit on The Morning Line

will he actually put something up?

One of the few who actually know what they are talking about.

No Fitzy....how refreshing.

Absoultely, best in the business by far...get Lydia to replace Presad and they will be in business

Rishy referred to a horse called A-rad : think he meant A-rod, but clearly don't have a clue

Hope this doesn't mean they've swapped Steve for Fitz and RUK this afternoon is full of lovely hosses!!

You just couldn't go 'A-rad' by 'accident' - only if you'd never heard of it before (we all frequently need an instant re-read, to make sure, upon seeing the name of a horse we were previously unacquainted with.

so, the great men both said 'Romsdal' 9it's his to lose0.   meehan was strong about his.Agent Murphy.

the Great men both went for romsdal

You can't diss Rishi anymore desparatemunter, he has won over the forum and is gaining cult status.   Top man.

Mellish a fully fledged ticket holder on racing's Gravy Train now

goodness! - I must have missed a breifing

Yes, I'll PM you the minutes of the meeting.

tar

i havent seen the Morning Line for yonks - all very safe was my impression.

IDKW
15 Aug 15 08:38

Mellish a fully fledged ticket holder on racing's Gravy Train now



So who exactly do you want on these shows? Bona fide non racing 'gravy trainers' like Ant and Dec? Keith Chegwin? Some bloke who's up early to get a Racing Post? Dead people?

cant see why people hate rishi.........seems a great lad to me

listen ... is on

Rishi's just a twerp who lucked out and landed a good gig. Looks like a kid.

Isn't it amazing how many "PRO-PUNTERS" have suddenly become "Media Luvvies", towing the line and cosying up to the slime that are "Bookmakers Reps"

What I would expect is for some of these "PRO-PUNTERS" to tell them to shove it.

I'd bet he has had absolutely no interest in betting in his life - up to this point

did meehan go for Gleneagles in the Juddmonte?

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did Meehan go for gleneagles in the Juddmonte/

ddid Meehan go for Gleneagles in the Juddmonte?

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Rishi’s family bred and raced thoroughbreds in the West Indies and that is where his interest for the sport began. This was fostered by his father who encouraged Rishi to spend more time studying form and pedigree than anything academic!

oh good, glad to hear he does like it

Withernsea (2.50) was selected by two of them in the charity bets.   They wouldn't give less than their best - for the sake of all the little kids/starving Africans/abuse victims (delete as appropriate) - would they?

He was talking about Ayrad. Not Arod.

oh thanks for the correction

Don't worry desperatemunter- I'm sure that Rishi doesn't hold it against you. You can always claim the Janner defence, and go home for a nice ice cream.

Taught Rishi how to commentate on dogs back in 2000 Gobarkingmad. He's a good lad and his origins and the fact Sir Michael Stoute is his godfather got him the job.

Last couple of years, he has lightened up a little and can laugh at himself.

Fair comment

But needs to come up with some more original questions for jockeys in post race interviews.

Very interesting dieselten.....does he ever interview Stoute on tv and if so how does Stoute respond to him.

Probably much the same as he responds to every tv pundit. With a slight air of disdain

When is Tom Lee on The Chase next?

Rishi admitting he sniffed glue as a child, easily the highlight of the show

duncan idaho.

Bit mystified why people still think Mellish has anything to offer. The 'partnership' with Lydia has long been akin to a stale sandwich. Still as someone mentioned above he must be rubbing his hands at his place on the train. Now a first class gravy trainer.

Transfer from the championship to the prem he's hardly going to say no.

Seeing as everyone has different idea's on how a progam should be run. How about coming up with some idea's for a new format?

What would you the aim be for the format of show?

What age group would you target?

Which topic's would you welcome more on a horse racing format?

Which type of person from racing or outside racing would you choose from?

I'm sure you will all have some interesting idea's and lively topic's about racing.

I was thinking about this watching the show this morning not into this new show at all over produced and never ever
tackle's subject's within horse racing that need to be talked about.

Seem's to me they have tried to become more like a posh talk show

I personally find the ones where they visit the stables to be more interesting than most whereas the constant droning and favourite tipping of Cunningham and Fitzgerald just makes me switch off

Mellish is one of the very,very few pundits on any racing channel who is actually worth listening to. Very knowledgeable about the game and has forgotten more than most of the people on here know. This place has just turned into a playground,a place to just abuse people,create numerous mindless threads or just talk total bollox 24/7

Well my thought's was to offer chance to open thinking and idea's to what people really want to see from a horse racing,
show.

I've worked within racing for many year's and have alway's been more annoyed certain tougher subject's never get addressed
on air because the only to show's over past 20 year's have been far to affraid to tackle them.

It's always been a formated to me to show case the more middle and upper class and ladies and booze i once had a swipe at
francome with a message aimed at him about stable lad's and lasses i had to get barry dennis to say it to him after talking
to him at race's.

He kept his word and asked the question on the morning line the following week.

So who exactly do you want on these shows? Bona fide non racing 'gravy trainers' like Ant and Dec? Keith Chegwin? Some bloke who's up early to get a Racing Post? Dead people?

Don't be an idiot Duncan.

My point is, Mellish, like others who've gone over to "the dark side", have started out on their "journey" purporting to make a living as a PRO GAMBLER.

Any PRO GAMBLER would be fully aware that Bookmakers, and their odious Reps, spout nothing but endless bullsh*t, and that the ability to get a decent bet on has become akin to getting an audience with the Pope. To sit by while Tom Lee bigs up the Reps of **** and Betway, and say nowt, serves only to confirm he's taken his seat, and is keen to hold on to it.

Let's wait until he's sharing the sofa with Williams and co and see if he has anything to say then!!

so you want him to talk his way out of employment? i see

No, just to show some integrity.
Not a lot to ask is it?

Duncan I like your idea, they should have 3 dead people and Tanya on the sofa.

Idea's on how a progam should be run

Plain and simple. 5 minutes racing news if any at the start of programme.Then go through the racecards for that day. Who gives a toss about what happened regarding last weeks racing and other crap thats added to fill out the show.

fitzy back for the afternoon shift.

loads of turkeys voting for xmas, again

Risha Czabo 1st race winner runing for the 1st time FFS................

About a year ago on RUK Mellish and I think Lydia discussed how wrong it is that media people are allowed prices and the public aren't. I think IDKW you are wrong

steamship, i saw that program.
And since then I've seen Mellish share the screen with Bookies Reps and say nowt.

I remember that discussion steamship and Mellish certainly didn't defend bookmakers.

I had my email read out and was called naive by Mellish & Hislop for expecting bookmakers to be forced as a condition of their license to take a decent bet at advertised prices.

That shows you how close they are to rocking the gravy boat.

IDKW, you surely know how his employers will react if he starts taking bookies reps to task live on air when said bookies are actually sponsoring the broadcast

I had my email read out and was called naive by Mellish & Hislop for expecting bookmakers to be forced as a condition of their license to take a decent bet at advertised prices.

Any amount you want Sir, the machine is over there........

What you means demonstrates some integrity duncan?

This is what millhouse has been banging on about for years. The complicity of these "journalists" is the problem!

Integrity Duncan

Steve on top of his game highlighting how thick some jocks are.

blake is the only one i've seen worthy of praise on this subject bookmakers, maybe he can afford to rock the boat knowing he has the backup of income from betting

Could the Morning Line broadcast without the financing of bookmakers?

but you just said you werent asking him to talk his way out of a job...make yr mind up, IDKW

So what if there was an independent show daily that has know need to conform to the bookmaker's
would you all support that?

Say for instance someone come out with format talking about all topic's purley just about horse racing
possible streamed online.

Just curious to see how many would get into that type of format if this was arrange ?.

That's the way it should be with them all.
No bookmakers allowed on the show and no advertising for bookmakers.

randomtwat must be bigmart

thought you was going to say the great big mac was bk , the progam never been the same since he went

Recently, Graham Cunningham did what Channel 4 clearly wanted to be seen as a hard hitting interview with Simon Clare about SP percentages in the Grand National - a pretty important issue when you consider that the public are getting ripped off every year.

Cunningham regularly appears on Coral's voice network, so while doing this interview, he was also employed by the company whose representative he was supposed to be grilling.

Cunningham is also on record as saying that Clare is 'one of his best friends in racing'.

That's how obscenely cosy the relationship between the bookmakers and the media now is - and it's only going to get worse, imo, because not only has joining the gravy train now become a genuine career aspiration for people entering the media in this industry, no journalist who wants to do their job with integrity will ever choose this sport, because the inevitable consequences of doing so are ostracism, ridicule and professional hindrance (ask Lydia Hislop).

I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that Duncan's argument that we should all just suck it up, because otherwise a bunch of integrity-lite freeloaders would be out of a job, is not really going to leave anyone on the receiving end of this mendacity anything other than cold...

To be honest Millhouse, a lot of journalism is just like that. Sadly, the advertisers and sponsors put up a lot of the money, and when they complain, they get listened to.  I was an IT journalist, and we were under constant pressure to fill the pages with good reviews of products from our biggest advertisers. I often rebelled against this, but even I had to settle for the compromise of allowing the bigger firms to have a bit more coverage, and to be given more chances to 'prove themselves'.  And even that wasn't enough - I eventually had to resign after one of the biggest advertisers conducted a six-month vendetta against me. It wasn't much consolation when that company went belly-up less than a year later..

If a racing show is going to be sponsored by bookmakers etc. then the presenters and pundits will have to fall into line to a certain extent. If they're strong-willed (and most of them won't be, since I can assure you it puts you under massive pressure when you try to be 'neutral'), they may get away with the odd critical comment. More than the odd one, though, and they simply won't be invited back.

Good post HonkyJoe

Uninteresting bs SM,LH, employees, people making a living by telling the sort of rubbish u idiots believe to be useful.

Do we have a translator app handy?

Honky Joe, the majority on here are incapable of grasping that basic reality

Honky Joe would seem to have a lot more integrity and courage than the entire cast of snivelling cowards who disgrace journalism on a daily basis in this industry, Duncan...

Why is channel 4 racing showing me gardening?

Perhaps Millhouse, but many of my other colleagues are managing editors, publishing executives and the like. While I'm left sitting here with you guys!!   

Mind you, none of them are settling down now to watch the Juddmonte....


Seriously though, the integrity of journalism may stick in the throat a bit, but it's the system itself that doesn't work. Railing against any one individual won't really achieve anything. Being a pundit is a pleasurable little money-spinner for those who like their horse-racing, and not many would have the guts to throw that away by making a few anti-sponsor comments. And fewer still would have no regrets about chucking in a nice job, given that their dismissal would probably make no difference whatsoever to the way the system was being run.

Exactly Joe. Millhouse thinks every two-bit racing pundit should be John Pilger in disguise (let's be honest, most of them can barely do the racing bit well)

I think Millhouse has a point, though, that broadcasters should have at least a mild interest in transparency and void obvious conflicts of interest such as that creep "ye follow" interviewing that slime bag Clare.