Jardine did a bloomong good job with that horse!

Did exactly what was asked to do would have imagined

not quite as straight forward as that i can assure you. a few decent people have been stitched up big time.

Certainly did!

Really Dealer, supposed to be having a quiet one was it?

it just clicked with me as it was going clear, the dealer

the horse was found to have had blood in the lungs on the last of two poor runs for jardine, in the best interests of the horse he was retired as the vet diagnosed him as a cat a bleeder, not the correct term i would guess. he was sold on to a jockey supposedly to go show jumping or eventing as alledgedly he couldnt take the strain of racing. i know guys who paid into that horse for three years, must be absolutely gutted. something seriously amiss with the whole escapade

care to elaborate the dealer?

lamont racing?

he was in his new yard in days of the purchase

a yard he originally came form

thanks the dealer.  that stinks alright. horse looks like he would make a lovely dual purpose horse now

ad it was their first horse, he had loads of nigly injuries

im only telling it as the facts that were given to me and in fairness to jardine he strongly fancied it to win on the first run for the yard and also to follow up two days later at haydock

hate seeing that happen especially to novice / raw owners

i believe the horse was sold to wilson renwick for a couple of thousand, what happened in the few days before it arrived back at dalgleish's is anyones guess. i see it ended up in the ownership of his main patron. i wonder how much they paid for it

would get 40k all day long if it turned up at the sales off the back of that

it doesnt help that there was a fall out by the main shareholder of Lamont and dalgleish that meant the horses left the yard this year. for it to end up back there in the circumstances it did...... well i dont think i need to elaborate.
Hamil;ton next thursday might be interesting

Suprised the stewards didn't ask for an explanation of his improved form. Thanks for the info dealer, don't expect your pals will be looking to have another horse with him any time soon!

who do you blame, i had no part in the horse but if a vet says it shouldnt run again then is the trainer really to blame for wanting what is best for the horse. just a really unsavoury taste left. even syndicate ownership isnt cheap and to keep faith for so long, then to have the dream taken away and worse still to have it win next time out the way it did for new owners, well what more can you say.

who would buy a horse after reading this ?

Some extremely dodgy people in this game.

facebook page 8th june


Unfortunately for us, this beauty is looking for a 2nd career in a 5* home. He is only a 4yo so has bags of time to adapt to a new discipline i.e. Dressage, SJ, Eventing or Showing. He's a real head turner and is a lovely person to work with. He is fresh out of training but is retiring from racing sound so would just need time to wind down before embarking on his next adventure!


he was sold a day later

was in his new stable two days after that

Very interesting. Will be watching how this story unfolds. Be interesting if some intrepid racing reporter tried to follow up the story but then again that would be highly unlikely in this gravy train industry!

runs again saturday i believe

Aug 11, 2015 -- 7:51PM, the dealer wrote:

facebook page 8th juneUnfortunately for us, this beauty is looking for a 2nd career in a 5* home. He is only a 4yo so has bags of time to adapt to a new discipline i.e. Dressage, SJ, Eventing or Showing. He's a real head turner and is a lovely person to work with. He is fresh out of training but is retiring from racing sound so would just need time to wind down before embarking on his next adventure! he was sold a day later

Surely the sellers knew who the buyers were (or were) going to be?

I'm sorry, but surely it is naive from the trainer and owner selling it for non racing purposes, all they needed to do was file a non racing agreement with the bha and it would have been retired and unable to race, they didn't, so if the other person thinks it's race fit then fair enough.

It's not the persons fault who bought it, they clearly think the injuries are manageable, it's stupidity to sell a horse without a non racing agreement in place if you don't intend it to run again

declared to run last at Doncaster saturday

SS they obviously knew who bought it, they believed it was going show jumping.

crewe... completely correct in fact as far as i am aware you can tick a box in its passport to say as such. he was retired on the evidence and advice of a vet as i am led to believe, in the best interest of the horses welfare. finding blood in its lungs after its last race. the trainer advised he could do nothing more with it. i dont argue with what you are saying, i will just add there might well be more to it than meets the eye.

in hindsight yes they were very naive, i suppose you could argue if it had been sold unable to race, the shareholders who paid into it would still have been deprived of a winner and what seems a perfectly fit horse would have been retired by mistake.

eight weeks is a long time in racing but it would seem in this case he has had a miraculous cure. or has he ??????

I dont suppose it could be the case that when Dalgleish, knowing the horse and the promise he showed when he trained it early doors, saw the horse was for sale at a reasonable price and persuaded an owner that it was worth the risk to buy it.
Lets face it, Dalgleish is a genius with getting horses happy and fit to run and improving horses that seem to have regressed.
Seems to me that the apparent improvement is more to do with the talents of the respective trainers.

hardly needed to persuade an owner who had tried a couple of times to purchase the horse.

nice of you to make an appearance on this thread FCD, we should be honoured

it was some training performance i agree, although in all fairness it did look to have a few lbs in hand

you would have thought though fcd that with such a talented horse he would have won with it before the age of four and regards improving horses that seem to have regressed, the last time i looked mr bridger hadnt done a bad job with the danger.

The Dealer
a similar if not identical situation occurred with a horse my sis in law had.
She purchased it as a yearling and kept it for 4 years , she done a deal with the trainer to give him a half share to put it into training (still paid half of all fees etc).
After showing some initial promise it was decided that it wasn't going to make a racehorse but would be ideal for another discipline.
She has repeatedly asked the trainer where the horse has gone and he continues to be evasive and will not give her details of any sale , new owner etc.
Having kept the horse for 4 years it was only natural she would like to know its well being, her biggest fear is it turns up point to pointing.
Just left a very sour taste.

Aug 14, 2015 -- 9:13AM, SHADDER wrote:

The Dealera similar if not identical situation occurred with a horse my sis in law had.She purchased it as a yearling and kept it for 4 years , she done a deal with the trainer to give him a half share to put it into training (still paid half of all fees etc).After showing some initial promise it was decided that it wasn't going to make a racehorse but would be ideal for another discipline.She has repeatedly asked the trainer where the horse has gone and he continues to be evasive and will not give her details of any sale , new owner etc.Having kept the horse for 4 years it was only natural she would like to know its well being, her biggest fear is it turns up point to pointing.Just left a very sour taste.

name and shame the trainer

General Custer
PM sent

i almost gave him/her a horse

5/2 for the Bleeder!

has an entry in a seller tuesday, zero chance of taking that up imo. heard conflicting reports about today will be watching with interest, along with a few others.

Has a few entries doesn't it, could be going for a quick treble, can't see First sargeant following up off these terms.

terrible head carriage - [understandable]

Didn't want to put it all in there did he!

maybe the horses welfare does mean fcuk all to some

To most trainers horses are merely machines and they'll get the most out of them that they can.

maybe looking through blinkers but today did he not look like a horse who might have bled

be interesting to see if anything is reported on course

Aug 15, 2015 -- 6:02PM, the dealer wrote:

maybe looking through blinkers but today did he not look like a horse who might have bled

Some sort of headgear is what the horse looks like it needs more than anything else.

Did seem to struggle in the final furlong. Quite appropriate that it's beaten by a horse that had a heart murmur which had been beaten 8,30 and 16 lengths on last 3 runs, didn't see that coming did they!

didnt look like it needed them at carlisle  SS

SR

ironic the winners syndicate disbanded and the trainer bought the horse for 6k at the sales.

dont think pam sly was pulling a fast one mind.

Aug 15, 2015 -- 6:07PM, the dealer wrote:

didnt look like it needed them at carlisle  SS SR

Yeah I appreciate that td, but his head was a bit up in the air for my liking at the finish today. Perhaps he was hurting / bleeding? We'll probably never know.

No need to doubt anything that you've already said and looking through the Lamont website they seem a decent, well run bunch. Shame that they would appear to have been done like a kipper on this occasion.

not sure i would say they were entirely stitched up, naive to say the least but if he is what he is, a bit of a shame that those who bought it spared no thought for the horse unlike its previous owners who it would now maybe seem were doing the right thing for the horse.
will be watching what happens with him now

a disgrace imo if he turns up in a seller or claimer somewhere

Fav again, wonder if he'll go past tonight!

on and watching if he does it on the bridle he will, if he comes under pressure i doubt it

not on punting wise lol

Far too short to back, so it'll probably romp in!

A lay at the prices for me, first time on the hustle and bustle / kickback and floodlights of the AW and still not convinced of its head carriage either.

Watching with interest.

lucky the horse seems to know when the money is down

Did that easy enough, didn't look much wrong with his lungs there!

in fairness it didnt, who knows like i have said leaves a really bad tatse in the mouth

8lb higher for the bleeder tonight, will do well to win off this mark imo, very short price, could be worth laying tonight under 2/1.

The high head carriage of his last-time Doncaster defeat was once again evident, but perhaps less so, and his effort never let up. A 4lb rise awaits this weekend, but options continue to increase with effectiveness on Tapeta now proven.

It changed Ownership, at the same time that it came back from Jardine, aswell.

guy who owns straightline bought it, runs in his and his wifes name

You should read this thread Onlooker, very interesting.

It was originally put up 4 lbs for it's latest win -

But it then went up a further 4 - as the horse that finished second to it has won in next 4 races! - and is now 26 lbs higher!

Looks like they got a little lucky last time.

bit to add SR. bit of water under the bridge since then and Lamont now have a few horses with him. been to the yard, Lungo's old one, cracking place and he has made a great start there.

my take on the Scurr affair, he arrived an ill horse at Jardines and left an ill horse. the million dollar question is the recovery, i doubt we will ever know the truth.

i would imagine he will jump a hurdle

Your input has made for a good thread the dealer, thanks.

with regards to his previous schooling, dalgleish has a tree trunk that he uses to teach the horses to lift their feet, well in theory any way. when scurr went to jump it he decided he didnt have to and rapped his shins so hard he was lame for months.

in hindsight i do feel a bit sorry for Jardine, it looks like he was stitched up like a kipper along with others of course. good to see him knocking in a few winners.

no probs SR, it is an interesting story that i am sure has still a bit of run in it

Looks like Dalgleish could be looking after his interest with Mr Staightline

Straightline Construction Ltd

2009 - None

2010 - 1 with Chris Grant

2011 - 2 with Chris Grant

2012
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HORSE     TRAINER     RPR     WINS     RUNS     WINNINGS     EARNINGS     £1 STAKE

Chookie Hamilton     Keith Dalgleish     81     3     5     £5,981     £7,158     5.13
Luctor Emergo     Keith Dalgleish     75     0     4     £0     £1,155     -4.00
Asteroid Belt     Chris Grant     60     0     4     £0     £625     -4.00

2013
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Black Treacle     Keith Dalgleish     83     3     8     £17,563     £19,718     30.83
Activate     Keith Dalgleish     79     3     13     £6,643     £10,353     -5.38
Champagne Babe     Keith Dalgleish     73     1     5     £3,235     £3,235     -1.25
Sleeping Shadow     Keith Dalgleish     65     1     1     £2,911     £2,911     2.75
Rawaafed     Keith Dalgleish     73     1     16     £2,045     £5,966     -12.00
Luctor Emergo     Keith Dalgleish     42     0     1     £0     £0     -1.00
Wayward Glance     Keith Dalgleish     79     0     3     £0     £830     -3.00
Lover Man     Keith Dalgleish     9     0     1     £0     £0     -1.00
Vosne Romanee     Keith Dalgleish     43     0     4     £0     £0     -4.00
Frankthetank     Keith Dalgleish     49     0     3     £0     £0     -3.00
Basingstoke     Keith Dalgleish     62     0     2     £0     £0     -2.00
Baltic Spirit     Keith Dalgleish     57     0     2     £0     £1,155     -2.00
Chookie Hamilton     Keith Dalgleish     0     0     1     £0     £0     -1.00
Fort Belvedere     Keith Dalgleish     94     0     9     £0     £6,544     -9.00
Frequency     Keith Dalgleish     13     0     1     £0     £0     -1.00
Lomond Lassie     Keith Dalgleish     51     0     3     £0     £0     -3.00

2014
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Ko Cache     Keith Dalgleish     85     2     5     £22,032     £22,032     46.00
Just The Tip     Keith Dalgleish     76     3     9     £7,763     £8,965     7.50
Lysino     Keith Dalgleish     83     2     2     £5,175     £5,175     3.25
Basingstoke     Keith Dalgleish     79     2     2     £4,327     £4,327     25.50
Vosne Romanee     Keith Dalgleish     69     2     9     £4,205     £6,996     5.50
Rayadour     Micky Hammond     66     1     3     £3,235     £3,235     4.00
Grey Zeb     Keith Dalgleish     76     1     7     £3,235     £6,720     -2.00
Luctor Emergo     Keith Dalgleish     71     1     2     £3,120     £3,336     4.00
Gios Last     Keith Dalgleish     54     1     3     £2,264     £2,264     -0.13
Frankthetank     Keith Dalgleish     59     1     3     £1,941     £1,941     8.00
Summerlea     Micky Hammond     59     0     4     £0     £1,251     -4.00
Queen Of The Scots     Keith Dalgleish     35     0     4     £0     £481     -4.00
Moon Arc     Keith Dalgleish     49     0     4     £0     £313     -4.00
Lomond Lassie     Keith Dalgleish     57     0     6     £0     £289     -6.00
Fort Belvedere     Keith Dalgleish     53     0     2     £0     £0     -2.00
Go Dan Go     Keith Dalgleish     62     0     3     £0     £1,058     -3.00
Aficionado     Keith Dalgleish     75     0     2     £0     £774     -2.00
Lover Man     Keith Dalgleish     68     0     2     £0     £0     -2.00

Wonder what became of this horse, not run this year!

i believe it was sold to run abroad

Ok, thanks Dealer, had noticed further down that Mr Jardine was being highly praised on here, don't think you'd contributed!

if i mind right im sure Turkey was mentioned. i did but in fairness to him it wasnt all his own doing, although Scurr still leaves a sour taste.

as does Shrewd who he sold on to one of his patrons and has won over £40K since the sale