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I dont trust the guy at the best of times, but his last two runners on the flat at Galway have run like they have been doped, their performances as favourites should be investigated as they looked as though they were pulled up. I tend to think Weld has deliberately turned them out to underperform because everyone is expecting him to get shedloads of winners with the Galway Festival supposedly supposedly his favourite meeting of the year. I would be devastated for punters if I had sent two hotpots out to run like that, but we all know the bookies want all this good things beat at Festivals. Welds horses always run in out, hot and cold, but I really thought he could be trusted at this meeting, apparently not judging by the way those two have run.
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His runners today at Glaway have been rotten to the core, absolutely filthy, guy is a rogue sending four favs out to run like that at his favourite meeting, daylight robbery of punters money, his horses are never consistent but tonight has been beyond a joke, three of them literally stopped like they were shot, and that was with Smullen riding. Cheating bar stewards.
Jeezus H Christ....another of his favourites finishes well beaten after coming under the cosh miles out, ffs what is the guy doing to these horses to make them all under perform like this. What a disgrace, I hope he got a nice few quid out of this, as he deserves it, he has won the bookies untold millions this evening.
are you balls deep on a weld super yankee today basil?
Northern Rock hasn't won in 2 years is a9year old if you are backing him God help you nearly every weld horse is under priced at galway
Backed 3 out of five, then had to stop, you could see they werent even picking their feet up, all looked good things on form, especially with Weld supposedly bringing them to Galway revved up and at the top of their form, doped to the eyeballs by the looks of them. Sods law his last one will win half the track, but I couldnt back it after what he has done to punters this evening, filthy man.
lol corks...are you still doing the american nags?
kinda a lot of weight towards the posters comments WAAHEB p stunk like a scunt for a big stable
drifted from 4s to 6s in a few min ran like a deceased goat and looked also doped ! funny how the bookmakers always know
drifted from 4s to 6s in a few min ran like a deceased goat and looked also doped ! funny how the bookmakers always know
Ah basil that's the funniest post I've seen on here in a while
What Weld has done tonight is worse than what Stoute done at Royal Ascot, OUTRAGEOUS, the stewards should be drug testing all his horses this evening based on their performancs, if any one on here doesnt agree with that they are off their heads.
amazing dk weld has been champion trainer in galwat for last 22 years.now hes taken to stopping them?!?! some logical thinking on here?!?! his horses are overbet in galway thats why they are favs..
exactly Kavvie, Valac is a dog going backwards and the aga khan filly was not even the best filly on form in the other maiden, to suggest that he is putting lads away is nonsense
Its cost me a rouf, but thats not the point, pretty much all favs, all beaten out of sight, with the exception of short priced 2nd beaten 6 lengths which never looked like winning either. Ive been punting for over 45 years and I know when something is filthy. like tonight, Im not saying its rare though, Stoute pulled the same stunt at Royal Ascot this year.
You can disagree all you want, like I give a fluk, you coooonts dont pay my bills.
You can disagree all you want, like I give a fluk, you coooonts dont pay my bills.
puts me right off the game this does. Thought i would go in big tonight on him too. Knew the prices were too short but wasn't expecting this. Thats me crying myself to sleep in a dark room tonight.
Weld has concentrated more on the rest of the season imho. He has better class horses than the gash he usually aims at Galway. He had an amazing start to the year.
Galway apart from a small number of races is one of the worst festivals of the year. Other than a decent handicap each day the rest is absolute scutter.
Galway apart from a small number of races is one of the worst festivals of the year. Other than a decent handicap each day the rest is absolute scutter.
ever since he had 17 a few years ago the market has got pretty rampant with his runners...presumably layers are once bitten
all the sheep getting caned this year
all the sheep getting caned this year
Now now basil keep calm weld will have more shorts priced favs for you this week haha
Its like a paddy building site, shovel, shovel, shovel, on Welds last one to get out of trouble, if it loses I am going to write to the coooont and ask for a refund, as he has misreprented himself this evening as being a trainer of horses, when in reality he is a demented old cooont.
Agree with Racingqueen,a slight shift of priority with him,better off backing his runners at Gowran.
Mr Bookie....you are right to be cheesed off mate. To get all these favourites to run like drains and get beaten on the same evening is quite a feat, Weld really has surpassed himself, the horses should be tested, its outrageous for them all to have run so badly. Take no notice of the bleeding heart liberal apologist vvankers on here mate, they bet in 50p,s. Punters been killed tonight without even getting any sort of run for their money, there is no integrity in that, puts punters right off.
basilbrush you are a demented muppet. you lost. suck it up like a man
Well, Weld managed to get his last fancied one out of the frame too, commentator just said Weld has drawn a blank, understatement of the friggin year I should think, anyhow back to the drawing board, you live and learn. 
After what happened with Forgotten Rules at the Curragh I wont be touching anything of his for a long time. Master trainer my ar53
Looking forward to the next runs of Fascinating Rock and Free Eagle though. Hopefully yard will be in better form by then.
Looking forward to the next runs of Fascinating Rock and Free Eagle though. Hopefully yard will be in better form by then.
dibdob, you clearly dont understand racing if those are your thoughts,
Forgotton rules had a very hard race 10 days before the curragh and that race clearly left its mark on the horse.
You dont think he is master trainer???... but you look forward to free eagle, a horse that was injured, then had a setback just before its return to the track, then after 8 months off, it beat the Grey Gatsby.... of course he is a master trainer!
Forgotton rules had a very hard race 10 days before the curragh and that race clearly left its mark on the horse.
You dont think he is master trainer???... but you look forward to free eagle, a horse that was injured, then had a setback just before its return to the track, then after 8 months off, it beat the Grey Gatsby.... of course he is a master trainer!
You've actually made my point which was a trainer with that kind of experience should known not have allowed Forgotten rules to race at the Curragh after such a hard race.
And with regards to Free eagle, he was pretty lucky to hold off the grey Gatsby. The reason I'm looking forward to seeing it run is because it could be a freak horse on it's day. With all its injures and setbacks and the fact its difficult to train, if everything were to align up one day it could put in an incredible race. Hopefully at the arc.
And with regards to Free eagle, he was pretty lucky to hold off the grey Gatsby. The reason I'm looking forward to seeing it run is because it could be a freak horse on it's day. With all its injures and setbacks and the fact its difficult to train, if everything were to align up one day it could put in an incredible race. Hopefully at the arc.
Given what was expected of the horse as a 2 year old I'd say its achievements so far have been quite a disappointment.
Weld is a legend , he only has 4 running at Galway today Plate day, this is well down on his normal number of entries , he has found bigger fish to fry.
Ah smiling weld,very good at what he does,but a deeply unpleasant individual,I wonder how he swung the aga horses,stan could tell a few good tales about him,has galway stewards and race committee by the small ones.
Weld is on the galway race committee and doesn't get it all his own way , he internationalised the game over here, showed it was possible to win all over the world , sometimes to be as good as he is "at what he does" it pays to not be pleasant, his treatment of the media is sans pareil.
Some of the comments on here are not just harsh but utterly ridiculous. I'm losing a bundle on Weld's Galway runners so far - yesterday was a disaster - but to suggest that Weld is bent is just trashy pocket talk. IMO Dermot is one of the few punter-friendly trainers out there, on a par with John Gosden and certainly way ahead of Sir Michael Stoute and Aidan O'Brien.
Jul 29, 2015 -- 9:18AM, irishone wrote:
Weld is a legend , he only has 4 running at Galway today Plate day, this is well down on his normal number of entries , he has found bigger fish to fry.
spot on
Is the Party over?
The last race, today - 1 mile Maiden ...
Weld won it for past 6 years - and only missed out winning it just twice in last 15 years.
4/7 FAV today = 4th.
The last race, today - 1 mile Maiden ...
Weld won it for past 6 years - and only missed out winning it just twice in last 15 years.
4/7 FAV today = 4th.
Jeeez, last night was a bloodbath for punters, but to then get another 4/7 and 13/8 shot well and truly rumped today at Galway just adds to the ongoing misery for punters. Thankfully he had one short priced winner as favourite tonight, but to level stakes most punters would have already given up on Weld and gone skint. You flat earth society lads keep backing these Weld hotpots..... enjoy your losses.
As someone said, peaked early in the season when he was in unreal form
stables runners look like someone got to them running so bad
Why would he peak early this year when Galway is his favourite fesitival of the year for winners......did he tell everyone all his horses that are going off as shorties at Galway will barely run an inch. Have a word with yourself and get some sort of fooooking grip fella or people will start thinking your a fantasist.
His runners stink this year Mart, most have run miles below form, amazing that he has still managed 3 winners to be honest, they should drug test all these hotpots that are getting slaughtered and not picking their feet up.
Welds horses are running as if they have been got at (drugged), surprised more people havent noticed just how poorly they are running, foooking hope the stewards have noticed.
lol irish stewards are you for real,funniest comment I seen on here in a long time.
I have the upmost respect for Dermot weld
a trainer of the highest class and always a interesting man to listen to , its is impossible for the man to constantly reach the high bar which he himself constantly raised , but ignore him at your peril
a trainer of the highest class and always a interesting man to listen to , its is impossible for the man to constantly reach the high bar which he himself constantly raised , but ignore him at your peril
Another five beaten yesterday including a favourite, and a second favourite who actually managed to finish stone bonking last of 18 runners. Lord only knows what to expect this evening with another five fancied runners going to post, with the likelihood that at least three will be very short prices. Super Yankee anyone.....
The stable is clearly out of form, simple as that. Mr Weld is a world-class trainer, but ALL stables hit bad patches. Witness John Oxx, who is also a top man. 2013 was a horrible year by his high standards, made worse by the fickle Aga Khan removing his horses from him. Dermot Weld will be back, mark my words!
Hopefully be back on song tonight......? Im beginning to wonder if his stable have picked up a virus, horses with the virus look as though they have been drugged and go out like a light when they come to win their races, almost identical to many of Welds horses at this years festival. I also noticed Weld had a couple of Non Runners yesterday which might be telling.
Ooooops....The nightmare continues, another Weld odds on pot bites the well trodden dust this week.
Absolute Weld bloodbath again tonight, something seriously wrong in that stable at present. Hope I put some of you chaps off backing Welds horses over the past couple of days, you would be sharing your gruel with Oliver Twist if you thought a few short priced losers was pure bad luck.
You made enough accusations that his horses were drugged.
They might have been drugged, have they been tested, what are the results ?? They may have caught a virus, have they been checked or scoped by a vet, do you know. ?? One thing that is certain is that they have under performed significantly this week when they have come under pressure which is very unusual for Welds horses at the Galway festival. Or do you think they have all been running to form ??
That is a bit different then your initial claim that they all looked doped to their eyeballs and you demanding that the stewards should drug test them.
Not wishing to be overly dismissive of this nonsense but what twaddle - Mr D Weld had an incredible strike rate at the beginning of the year, and has been sending out winners left, right and centre for the best part of the intervening period (+50% are running in the first three for the Irish year on turf). He's bound to have a soft spell as other posters have pointed out, and he probably wishes it wasn't around now, even though many are still performing creditably.
I do agree something should be looked at about one of his runners though - Mr F Maguire's continual whipping of Time To Inspire
I do agree something should be looked at about one of his runners though - Mr F Maguire's continual whipping of Time To Inspire
^ Finny got a couple of days for that and doubt it will be repeated either as i,d be fairly sure bollockings would be flying for it.
No problem Spock,hate seeing it myself and hopefully wouldn't be repeated again by him.
The Stewards should be testing them, Weld himself should be asking for them to be tested, he should also be getting vets into his stables to try and find any other medical source of the problem. I should think Weld is even more concerned about the way his horses are failing to see out their races than anyone else. I have known stables to close down for a period when they are running as badly as Welds currently are. Having now watched virtually all of his runners, I would be fairly sure they have picked up a virus. The virus I suspect they have is similar to Fibromyalgia in humans, things can seem okay for a while, but when the body is asked for maximum effort, it just isnt there. Not sure if it is called equine flu or not, but the signs are easily spotted when the horses race as it is similar to being doped. I hope to hear that Weld has identified the source of the problem, and hopefully rectifies it in due course.
On a more pleasant note, I think Finny is an exceptional talent, spotted him riding a while back and was impressed straight away.
Looking very likely now Dermot won't be wearing his "king of Galway" crown in the long winters nights to come(first time in 27 years?)think Willie will be wearing it with a big smile across his face, had to happen some time.
Mullins and Martin had some very decent horses this year,Weld ran a lot of maidens earlier in the season that often would have been kept for it, his runners underperformed but not to a huge extent, just a bit of an odd meeting this year, the DW money machine dried up.
Mullins and Martin had some very decent horses this year,Weld ran a lot of maidens earlier in the season that often would have been kept for it, his runners underperformed but not to a huge extent, just a bit of an odd meeting this year, the DW money machine dried up.
Well good luck to Weld, hope they turn the corner, not nice sending out so many shorties and seeing them all get turned over at your favourite venue. Weld horses done me some good turns through the years, so was talking a bit tongue in cheek earlier in the thread. I know Weld wouldnt drug his horses, its if they were being got at by some criminal third party, lord knows its happened many times before. Anyhow Im firmly of the opinion that there is a medical cause for his horses being out of form as it can hardly be said they are staggering all over the place, they are simply not seeing out their races which could be lack of fitness (though I doubt that), or more likely a bug/virus striking at an inopportune moment in time. Weld will be back harvesting the Galway Festival next year, God willing of course.
I really don't think he'd be running a horse twice in two days if he thought there was something wrong in his stable - Galway or not, he's not a guy that overexerts his charges without good reason, and remains probably the best target trainer out there. Maybe he had better targets for his horses this year, as his blistering stats in the preceding months elude too...I certainly think you are right to point out they are certainly not at their peak around now though BB, but am equally as sure that Mr D Weld will get it right as soon as it is possible.
I accept that that most didn't finish out their race but that could be simply that they met better ones.
I,d play next year by ear at this stage,i'm too used to things not following the supposed script.Thought he would run Griko this week in a 50-80 as the mark was good imo,it was my Weld "banker". Keep an eye out what he sends to Gowran particulary early season Basilbrush,not a bad policy.
I,d play next year by ear at this stage,i'm too used to things not following the supposed script.Thought he would run Griko this week in a 50-80 as the mark was good imo,it was my Weld "banker". Keep an eye out what he sends to Gowran particulary early season Basilbrush,not a bad policy.
With the greatest respect I cant have the early season blistering start theory for one simple reason.....none of his Galway runners have been over raced, so unlikely to blow up, or be be over the top by attempting one race too may. Weld is simply far to shrewd for that to be a possibilty imho. All about opinions though chaps, and opinions are like ar$eholes, we all have one. Win Lose or Draw, I will not make any further comments on this thread tomorrow about Welds runners as I am actually beginning to feel a little sorry for the guy, as I have seen him scratching his head at Galway, I dont think he can believe what he is witnessing either. Good Luck.
Hard not to feel a bit for him alright,good luck yourself Basil.
Really interested in views of whether it is a huge misnomer that when a stables horses are in form, they get a massive increment in winners and when they're not the opposite should be observed. For a stable like his, it could be an upscale / downscale of this?
Last word, Dermot has got a prize of a years supply of animec paste horse wormer for being top trainer there every year,no wonder you seen him looking a bit down.
Stables do drift in and out of form, some peak in months when others are on a downward spiral. The issue for me in relation to all the theories being mentioned on here is a simple one.....I know Weld wouldnt present such a huge number of runners at Galway over the entire week if he felt his stable was out of form, or that it was possible his horses were unfit, or over the top. I genuinely believe Weld is probably as dumbfounded by his horses performances this week as punters probably are, Im equally sure he wont leave a stone unturned making sure he satisfies himself with a feasible explanation to explain what must have been a difficult week for him. Anyhow, time for a game of poker, Goodwood and Galway again tomorrow.
Lol Pa.....I wonder if I should send him a consolation of a few sachets of Panacur wormer that have been in my shed for donkeys years.
Weld was interviewed several times in the lead up to Galway by ATR and RTE and on every occasion he played down his chances of dominating this year. When asked what 3 he would recommend to punters wanting to bet their 10 euros on he gave Zafayan (stuffed 16 lengths, went off 11/8), Simannka (stuffed 6 lengths, went off 13/8) and New Agenda (stuffed 6 lengths, went off 4/7) - that just about puts into perspective how well the week is going for him compared to previous years. Maybe the horses he is running are good enough but are out of sorts at the moment, who knows, but for people to follow Weld all week going by previous years - find a new game! Let's face it, he has dominated in previous years and the 17 winners he had one year is very impressive but let's face it, does Aidan O'Brien ever send his big guns to oppose him? No. If he did, would Weld have half the success he's had in the past? No. There's a reason they advertise Galway as the "working mans meeting" where it doesn't take a rich owner to have a winner. Weld's horses are well bred and he has them revved up for it with average at best opposition year in year out. It's not going to be total domination year in year out. The same people who follow Weld at Galway will be the same Mullins backers at Cheltenham and complain when that goes wrong for them.
I'm not sure i fully understand your question Spock(my fault), i haven't the breakdown on this but my impression was Welds were well forward early and maidens made up a fair proportion of the so called "in form", it can't last though as the handicappers get penalised and the maiden winners have to go for a tougher assignment.
Fair comments Patterson.....and I agree, following any trainer blindly is the quickest way into the poorhouse. However, I think most would agree by whats happened this week at Galway that Welds horses have possibly under performed to some extent, it would probably be quite foolish at this stage to argue otherwise given the results on balance thus far. However, tomorrows another day.......and if I have learnt anything about racing in my lifetime, its to expect the unexpected. 
Fair comments Patterson.....and I agree, following any trainer blindly is the quickest way into the poorhouse. However, I think most would agree by whats happened this week at Galway that Welds horses have possibly under performed to some extent, it would probably be quite foolish at this stage to argue otherwise given the results on balance thus far. However, tomorrows another day.......and if I have learnt anything about racing in my lifetime, its to expect the unexpected.
Having said all that, Weld's newcomer ALMELA is supposed to be a good thing on Sunday, we shall see. Regardless of how tomorrow goes, the horse will no doubt still be underpriced.
and Mr Weld has 4 good looking prospects again tomorrow with 2 likely go off odds on, what price the Acca to close the Festival. I reckon that would put a smile back on his face.
Cor, I forgot about Sunday, head back in the form Sunday too then.
Am just going by the RP stats pa, and the fact that I made some nice twinkle following him from the start of the flat year and onward - too true what you say though, and the place stats being distorted by low field numbers...all in all, I still reckon he's having a fabulous year
Agree with that Patterson, all Welds horses are under priced at the best of times, but at the Festival they are well and truly overbet and under priced, for a very good reason, his record at the Galway Festival is second to none.
Spoke to a stable hand Thursday, Weld has had the vet in and out of rosewell day and night for two weeks , the vast expectation has exposed a previously unknown vulnerability imvho.
Jul 31, 2015 -- 9:42PM, basilbrush wrote:
The Stewards should be testing them, Weld himself should be asking for them to be tested, he should also be getting vets into his stables to try and find any other medical source of the problem. I should think Weld is even more concerned about the way his horses are failing to see out their races than anyone else. I have known stables to close down for a period when they are running as badly as Welds currently are. Having now watched virtually all of his runners, I would be fairly sure they have picked up a virus. The virus I suspect they have is similar to Fibromyalgia in humans, things can seem okay for a while, but when the body is asked for maximum effort, it just isnt there. Not sure if it is called equine flu or not, but the signs are easily spotted when the horses race as it is similar to being doped. I hope to hear that Weld has identified the source of the problem, and hopefully rectifies it in due course.
spot on basil ..... are you D K in disguise.
Irishone.....Glad to read all that, Weld will be very concerned with the running of his horses and will want to get to the bottom of it a.s.a.p. Its great to read he is on the case as something is clearly wrong, hope he sorts it out soon.
Jul 31, 2015 -- 11:15PM, basilbrush wrote:
and Mr Weld has 4 good looking prospects again tomorrow with 2 likely go off odds on, what price the Acca to close the Festival. I reckon that would put a smile back on his face.
I've backed against all 4 which will no doubt please those who have lumped on them.
Win or lose glad I took the 2s on Hanlon's in the last as I would'nt be surprised if the betting went similar to the way it did in the first
What an absolute pile of gunk talk ITT from OP.
Welds horses are not quite in the blistering form they were in earlier in the season, but they are hardly running terribly. As already pointed out, they were forward early, many were maiden winners who then must race in the real World, and many others were handicappers who went up in the weights and obviously can't keep winning forever. He still has an overall highly impressive seasonal strike rate of 21%, with only AP (23%) having a higher % of winners (not counting Mullins 40% as a sample size of 20 runners is too small for the purpose of comparison of this sort.)
Take a closer look at his 26 Galway runners for the 1st 5 days of the festival, up to and including Friday 31st.
26 runners
3 winners : 12% strike rate: below seasonal average of 21%
15 placed : 60% strike rate: in line with seasonal figures for 2015
8 2nds : 33% strike rate: well above seasonal average of 20%
There were also a few others unplaced who actually ran well in big fields when taking their odds into account e.g. Tandem, Grecian Tiger, Sierra Sun, and of course a few outsiders & old timers who can be forgiven for down the field runs e.g. the likes of Hisaabaat & Northern Rocked. Sure, some shorties disappointed, but that will always happen and being Weld horses @ Galway, none of those shorties were anything near their true odds anyway. Overall, it's clear from the above figures that his placed ratio is on cue with already impressive seasonal stats, with the only blot being ratio of winners to 2nds. His seasonal ratio of winners to 2nds is approx 50:50, but @ Galway has been more like 66:33 in favor of 2nds. If he had maintained seasonal rates, then he would have actually matched his seasonal win strike rate of 20%+. If you take out the few shorties that ran poorly, his horses actually ran well on the whole. They might not be booming it like earlier in the year, but these are just normal peaks & troughs of a long season in which a yard will have close to 400 runners. To suggest firstly that foul play is likely a factor, and secondly that even if no foul play, that the yard clearly has a virus or some other medical problem, is just totally ill informed. You can't just dwell on the specific pieces of info of a few short priced horses running poorly and deduct something is terribly wrong.
Also, if you look closer at those short ones that were beaten:
Good Tradition SP 9/10 : beaten into 2nd by a 7/4 shot from Martins yard that was 11 pounds well in with it.
Palmetto Dunes SP 10/11 : beaten into 2nd by one of Lynams with an entry at York. Hardly a shock.
New Agenda SP 4/7 : a totally overrated colt by New Approach who ran exactly like the did 1st time out. He is a pig.
Valak SP 1/1 : ran poorly for sure. 1st time visor excuse?
Stay De Night SP 4/1 : ran poorly.
Zafayan SP 11/8 : underpriced 2nd to what turned out to be a Mullins good thing.
The likes of Tidaany & Simannka were other beaten short priced fav that ran fine in 2nd.
Welds horses are running fine.
Welds horses are not quite in the blistering form they were in earlier in the season, but they are hardly running terribly. As already pointed out, they were forward early, many were maiden winners who then must race in the real World, and many others were handicappers who went up in the weights and obviously can't keep winning forever. He still has an overall highly impressive seasonal strike rate of 21%, with only AP (23%) having a higher % of winners (not counting Mullins 40% as a sample size of 20 runners is too small for the purpose of comparison of this sort.)
Take a closer look at his 26 Galway runners for the 1st 5 days of the festival, up to and including Friday 31st.
26 runners
3 winners : 12% strike rate: below seasonal average of 21%
15 placed : 60% strike rate: in line with seasonal figures for 2015
8 2nds : 33% strike rate: well above seasonal average of 20%
There were also a few others unplaced who actually ran well in big fields when taking their odds into account e.g. Tandem, Grecian Tiger, Sierra Sun, and of course a few outsiders & old timers who can be forgiven for down the field runs e.g. the likes of Hisaabaat & Northern Rocked. Sure, some shorties disappointed, but that will always happen and being Weld horses @ Galway, none of those shorties were anything near their true odds anyway. Overall, it's clear from the above figures that his placed ratio is on cue with already impressive seasonal stats, with the only blot being ratio of winners to 2nds. His seasonal ratio of winners to 2nds is approx 50:50, but @ Galway has been more like 66:33 in favor of 2nds. If he had maintained seasonal rates, then he would have actually matched his seasonal win strike rate of 20%+. If you take out the few shorties that ran poorly, his horses actually ran well on the whole. They might not be booming it like earlier in the year, but these are just normal peaks & troughs of a long season in which a yard will have close to 400 runners. To suggest firstly that foul play is likely a factor, and secondly that even if no foul play, that the yard clearly has a virus or some other medical problem, is just totally ill informed. You can't just dwell on the specific pieces of info of a few short priced horses running poorly and deduct something is terribly wrong.
Also, if you look closer at those short ones that were beaten:
Good Tradition SP 9/10 : beaten into 2nd by a 7/4 shot from Martins yard that was 11 pounds well in with it.
Palmetto Dunes SP 10/11 : beaten into 2nd by one of Lynams with an entry at York. Hardly a shock.
New Agenda SP 4/7 : a totally overrated colt by New Approach who ran exactly like the did 1st time out. He is a pig.
Valak SP 1/1 : ran poorly for sure. 1st time visor excuse?
Stay De Night SP 4/1 : ran poorly.
Zafayan SP 11/8 : underpriced 2nd to what turned out to be a Mullins good thing.
The likes of Tidaany & Simannka were other beaten short priced fav that ran fine in 2nd.
Welds horses are running fine.
Nice to see F Mcguire a lot more restrained there and only gave it a tap to put to bed.
I'm a huge fan of Weld, can't deny that. I backed Forgotten Rules for the Ascot Gold Cup from 10/1 down to 4/1 ante post and honestly thought he was something special. Got to the point I was certain he wouldn't run due to the quick ground and I accepted that. Weld had said all along the horse needs cut in the ground and would never be risked on quick ground. Obviously I didn't get the result I wanted on the day but was relieved to get at least a run for my money, a good run at that considering the circumstances. But here I am weeks later still absolutely baffled why he then sent the horse out to run again on quick ground a week after the Gold Cup at the Curragh. I'll never quite get my head round that decision. I can only hope the horse gets his ground for the Long Distance Cup in October at Ascot and comes back better than ever!
I'm a fan and a follower, but I'm losing money this year. OK, place- betting- only would have ground out a small profit ( leaving out all odds-on shots).
Something doesn't seem right, though I expect a good end to the season.
I cannot really accept the OP's points: surely, the blood test readings would indicate any problems? Even at the trotting racing, we check these readings before making decisions. I'm no scientist but, when told what number we want, I can easily see if "today is the day". Anybody could.
Nearly got ejected from a racecourse one time for suggesting that a trainer was "running sick animals" ( short-priced fav trailed in last).
So, all in all, I don't know what's going on. Just think DW's will come back with reasonable success at York and in France. I hope so.
Something doesn't seem right, though I expect a good end to the season.
I cannot really accept the OP's points: surely, the blood test readings would indicate any problems? Even at the trotting racing, we check these readings before making decisions. I'm no scientist but, when told what number we want, I can easily see if "today is the day". Anybody could.
Nearly got ejected from a racecourse one time for suggesting that a trainer was "running sick animals" ( short-priced fav trailed in last).
So, all in all, I don't know what's going on. Just think DW's will come back with reasonable success at York and in France. I hope so.
Lets look at Welds 4 runners on day 6:
1 winner.
1 2nd : 2nd of 13 beaten by the fav trained by AP : hardly a shock.
2 3rd's : one of them was a 2 year old beaten half a length by one of AP's & one of Wachman's: pretty standard.
The yard has obviously had a dose of 2nd's at the meeting. All punters, jockeys, trainers go through a does of the 2nds. No one is exempt from this.
From 30 runners over the 1st 6 days, over 40% finished in the 1st 2. Not too shabby at all. In fact, find me a yard with more than a handful of runners and who had a higher % of runners in the 1st 2 at this years meeting. To achieve 40% from 30 runners is obviously very good.
1 winner.
1 2nd : 2nd of 13 beaten by the fav trained by AP : hardly a shock.
2 3rd's : one of them was a 2 year old beaten half a length by one of AP's & one of Wachman's: pretty standard.
The yard has obviously had a dose of 2nd's at the meeting. All punters, jockeys, trainers go through a does of the 2nds. No one is exempt from this.
From 30 runners over the 1st 6 days, over 40% finished in the 1st 2. Not too shabby at all. In fact, find me a yard with more than a handful of runners and who had a higher % of runners in the 1st 2 at this years meeting. To achieve 40% from 30 runners is obviously very good.
^ Those kind of 'all embracing STATS' - not correlated to the ODDS, and consequent chances, of the horses involved are both misleading and mischievous.
They ARE,"shabby," - when those that finished 2nd in your, "finished in the 1st 2," (positive projection)quote were well-BACKED... and are, therefore, considered to be failures in light of the thrust of this thread.
They ARE,"shabby," - when those that finished 2nd in your, "finished in the 1st 2," (positive projection)quote were well-BACKED... and are, therefore, considered to be failures in light of the thrust of this thread.
@ onlooker: I have already gone through some of the 2nds. I will go through all 9 of them for you for further clarification:
Zafayan: 2nd @ 11/8 beaten by a Mullins good thing that was a shorter price @ 5/4. Totally standard.
Tidaany: 2nd @ 13/8 in a 14 runner handicap. Totally standard. Happens every day.
Simannka: 2nd @ 13/8 in a 10 runner Maiden, beaten by a very nice filly whose only previous run was in fact superior form to what the Weld filly had achieved.
Stucoodor: 2nd @ 13/8 beaten by a shorter priced Mullins horse. Totally standard.
Tested: 2nd of 10 @ 2/1 beaten a hd in a tough Listed race by one of Mullins @ 5/1. Hardly crazy stuff.
Palmetto Dunes: 2nd @ 10/11 going down fighting to a nice one of Lynams with the pair clear and Welds colt stepping up considerably on it's only previous run.
Pictogram: 2nd of 10 @ 5/2 beaten by a 4/1 shot trained by Wachman. Standard stuff.
Good Tradition: 2nd @ 9/10 beaten by a 7/4 shot of Tony Martins that it was 11 pounds wrong with. Totally standard.
Zafayan: 2nd of 13 @ 6/5 beaten by the 1/1 shot trained by AP. Totally standard.
This is not "positive projection." This is reality. Basic ebbs and flows of a season. Basic statistics. 30 runners is a small sample. 9 2nds and 4 winners out of 30 is pretty good, irrespective of price. 7 of the 9 2nds were odds against and 33% of them weren't even favs. Even a true 1/1 shot can and will lose up to 10 times in a row. The 9 2nds he had were at an average price of approx 6/4. It's totally standard to have 9 2nds and 4 winners when the average price is approx 6/4. Totally standard stats just slightly off centre over a miniture sample. This happens all the time over the course of a season!
Zafayan: 2nd @ 11/8 beaten by a Mullins good thing that was a shorter price @ 5/4. Totally standard.
Tidaany: 2nd @ 13/8 in a 14 runner handicap. Totally standard. Happens every day.
Simannka: 2nd @ 13/8 in a 10 runner Maiden, beaten by a very nice filly whose only previous run was in fact superior form to what the Weld filly had achieved.
Stucoodor: 2nd @ 13/8 beaten by a shorter priced Mullins horse. Totally standard.
Tested: 2nd of 10 @ 2/1 beaten a hd in a tough Listed race by one of Mullins @ 5/1. Hardly crazy stuff.
Palmetto Dunes: 2nd @ 10/11 going down fighting to a nice one of Lynams with the pair clear and Welds colt stepping up considerably on it's only previous run.
Pictogram: 2nd of 10 @ 5/2 beaten by a 4/1 shot trained by Wachman. Standard stuff.
Good Tradition: 2nd @ 9/10 beaten by a 7/4 shot of Tony Martins that it was 11 pounds wrong with. Totally standard.
Zafayan: 2nd of 13 @ 6/5 beaten by the 1/1 shot trained by AP. Totally standard.
This is not "positive projection." This is reality. Basic ebbs and flows of a season. Basic statistics. 30 runners is a small sample. 9 2nds and 4 winners out of 30 is pretty good, irrespective of price. 7 of the 9 2nds were odds against and 33% of them weren't even favs. Even a true 1/1 shot can and will lose up to 10 times in a row. The 9 2nds he had were at an average price of approx 6/4. It's totally standard to have 9 2nds and 4 winners when the average price is approx 6/4. Totally standard stats just slightly off centre over a miniture sample. This happens all the time over the course of a season!
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