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dear oh dear, possibly one of the most overrated apprentices in recent years
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He did something very similar at Brighton earlier in the season.
best leaving what he did there to the pro's, they get it done day in day out without drawing attention
don't need to have won the jockeys championship to see what he was up to there wazza ... 
I agree. He blatantly comes out of stalls slowly. No effort . Then drops 6 lengths off the pace. He then trys to challenge on widest part of the course. When he could he then goes back inside touches horse once. It absolutely flew. I am not sure why ATR did not highlight it. The stewards should get the jockey and owner in. This was blatant. I hope the handicapper puts him up for this ridiculous non trier. Who were they trying to kid.
roida, looks like everyones in agreement apart from you ysdc
He's a good young rider, why he is getting himself involved with that kind of rubbish I wouldn't know.
to obviously blatant at his age to even consider anything untoward.
I would have thought so too, but you can only call it as you see it and that looked absolutely fetid.
A very strange ride.
Was making headway on the outside near the end then switches inside into traffic.
Was making headway on the outside near the end then switches inside into traffic.
He's done nothing wrong here and is a decent young apprentice.
Just out of interest though, was Cathy Gannon in on his apparent non-jigger plans when she carried him out towards the middle of the course and was it part of the plan too when his horse took a false step and nearly came down?
Let's face it, you can't get any better an excuse than be almost fired into the tuft at 35-40mph and between Cathy and himself they very nearly managed it.
Just out of interest though, was Cathy Gannon in on his apparent non-jigger plans when she carried him out towards the middle of the course and was it part of the plan too when his horse took a false step and nearly came down?
Let's face it, you can't get any better an excuse than be almost fired into the tuft at 35-40mph and between Cathy and himself they very nearly managed it.
It was what he did before and after the horse took a false step that looked extremley odd to any regular watcher of races.
was deliberately slowly into stride...obv he was happy..he made ground easily as the horse in front started to carry him wide so he switched back inside and clipped the back of it and slightly unbalanced him...never looked happy from then on but althought was poor tactical ride i cannot believe skullduggery was involved.
Jeez BB there will be no one left shortly. a tad harsh here imho even to infer such a thing is scandalous
Gawd, he has another Fav in the 7.25 and then we have Rhiain Ingram to look forward to on Encapsulated. Glad that I stayed home:-)
ima, you do know you can watch the races nowadays, no need to keep listening to them on the blower .... done nothing wrong, ffs what did he do right ?
come on, deliberately slowly into stride, i know you back 1.01 and don't look at the form, the horse only wins if it blasts off in front, it is never held up when it is 'trying' Why would i be deliberately slowly into stride?come on, i'm not one for jockey bashing but that was and is terrible.
atr saying it needed to lead...well he didnt even move his arms for 25yds so thats a cringe.
i meant he looked happy for it to be deliberately slowly out stalls..
"Was making headway on the outside near the end then switches inside into traffic"
I see that at every meeting at Brighton including from Richard Hughes.
I see that at every meeting at Brighton including from Richard Hughes.
It looked very, very odd. I hope it was merely poor/unfortunate, I genuinely do.
BUT
Why did he restrain it in rear when it usually makes the running?
Why switch it round the field into a wide position?
Why again restrain it before the incdient?
Why make so little effort late on as the horse was running on?
All valid questions that the stewards could be asking.
And no I didn't back it, before any muppet accusses me of pocket talk.
BUT
Why did he restrain it in rear when it usually makes the running?
Why switch it round the field into a wide position?
Why again restrain it before the incdient?
Why make so little effort late on as the horse was running on?
All valid questions that the stewards could be asking.
And no I didn't back it, before any muppet accusses me of pocket talk.
What the hell are ATR racing talking about. Jockey made no effort to come out of the stalls despite being a front runner.
he didnt switch it wide.. he got forced wide and switched back inside.
And while all this was going on Fanning was hilarious on the rail
he is a 7lb claimer that has had a howler, seriously someone with his up bringing at his age on the take, laughable imho
one indisputable fact is if its a habitual front runner then its a suspect ride...he made no effort to get it running when the stalls opened.
you would need to ask him but if i thought he was bent i would give the game up
Anyone laying this horse would have been pleasantly surprised by tactics adopted by the jock
If you showed some of these rides (including that one) to racing viewers in Australia/Hong Kong/Japan etc, they would not believe what they are watching. Yet they are endemic in the UK and Ireland.
Maybe we should adopt the Australan rule of stating riding tactics prior to the race.
Just made a bit of a mess of it. He's only had 14 rides before today. He didn't want to get carried wide and then clipped heels switching inside.
No wonder you see so many bent rides BB if you think this one was iffy!
No wonder you see so many bent rides BB if you think this one was iffy!
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Replies: 2261 07 Jul 15 18:51
ima, you do know you can watch the races nowadays, no need to keep listening to them on the blower .... done nothing wrong, ffs what did he do right ?
Yes I do know that ta, which is why I obviously saw Gannon's horse carry him wide and his own horse nearly come down when trying to switch inside to avoid that, which you seemingly didn't see.
The majority of his problems in the race were not of his own making and were a result of reactions to everything else.
Replies: 2261 07 Jul 15 18:51
ima, you do know you can watch the races nowadays, no need to keep listening to them on the blower .... done nothing wrong, ffs what did he do right ?
Yes I do know that ta, which is why I obviously saw Gannon's horse carry him wide and his own horse nearly come down when trying to switch inside to avoid that, which you seemingly didn't see.
The majority of his problems in the race were not of his own making and were a result of reactions to everything else.
As I said, I think it looked very strange and I genuinely hope it wasn't iffy.
e's a good young rider, why he is getting himself involved with that kind of rubbish I wouldn't know.
that would suggest you dont
that would suggest you dont
It looked like he didn't do his best to try and win let's put it that way.
Maybe it was just pure bad judgement.
If the sport wasn't instituionally corrupt, I wouldn't be more ready to give strange looking rides the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe it was just pure bad judgement.
If the sport wasn't instituionally corrupt, I wouldn't be more ready to give strange looking rides the benefit of the doubt.
cant see any problem with the ride except when the stalls opened..he never made any attempt to get it into stride for 25yds.
Very good effort on Cape Victoria. She didn't look an easy ride but he kept her balanced and just got up. Yet another from the Balding production line.
Greatrex rides winner of 7.25. It was like he was a different jockey. Whip out and thrash horse to get it home. Yet earlier hit Belle Dormant once. Corrupt
Right so his horse almost gets brought down and that makes him corrupt? 
He is a very good rider. If I thought he wasn't the earlier ride would not have struck me as unusual the way it did. But as has been said he is inexperienced. Brighton's not an easy track and I am coming round to the idea that he should have the benefit of the doubt. That being said I still think the stewards should have asked a few questions about the change in tactics and his effort in the finish.
I suppose that you consider any horse you back that is beaten is cheating. Only one can win each race. If you don't trust jockeys, don't bet.
I didn't back it anyway, not that it makes any difference.
how anyone can defend his first ride is hilariously naive, yes the horse clipped heels, after he darted inside. fortunate for him it did clip heels so he has a perfect excuse. Those defending the ride,the horse has blasted off twice at brighton, once he won the second he got beat narrowly. Why no effort to rush him up? why make steady ground on the outside then dart inside and nearly clip heels?
ima_mazed66 07 Jul 15 19:39
Right so his horse almost gets brought down and that makes him corrupt?
nothing wotsoever to do with that scenario as ive pointed out..the critisism of the ride is all to do when the stalls opened.
Right so his horse almost gets brought down and that makes him corrupt?
nothing wotsoever to do with that scenario as ive pointed out..the critisism of the ride is all to do when the stalls opened.
Maybe the change of tactics were due to being drawn 7 of 7 and so farthest to the right on a left-handed course with an early bend? Had he have been drawn in 1 or 2 then maybe he would have bounced out fast and tried to make all.
From 7 of 7 you either use up a lot of horse early to get across to the rail before the left turn (and bearing in mind they have to keep straight for the first 75 yards or whatever) or you tuck in behind and if that was the pre-race plan then you have to miss the start in order to tuck in and form how quickly he decided to tuck in suggests that was the pre-race plan.
He made the ground up though and was in a good position to challenge to the outer until the other horse carried him wide and the false step after switching back inside, then just for good measure when he switched inside another horse in front of him ran down the camber towards the rail, forcing him to switch back out again and you can't really be whipping and riding a finish when trying to organise getting a clear run.
From 7 of 7 you either use up a lot of horse early to get across to the rail before the left turn (and bearing in mind they have to keep straight for the first 75 yards or whatever) or you tuck in behind and if that was the pre-race plan then you have to miss the start in order to tuck in and form how quickly he decided to tuck in suggests that was the pre-race plan.
He made the ground up though and was in a good position to challenge to the outer until the other horse carried him wide and the false step after switching back inside, then just for good measure when he switched inside another horse in front of him ran down the camber towards the rail, forcing him to switch back out again and you can't really be whipping and riding a finish when trying to organise getting a clear run.
good tactics then ima. come out slowly to tuck it in behind. by the time he came out there was fook all to tuck it in behind.
I was referring in my earlier post roida to anyone calling the ride currput, so if that doesn't include you then you weren't actually the target of my response.....7 or 7 is still widest of all though and with an early turn, so still means either using the horse early to get over to the rail or dropping in behind and from how quickly he took his horse inside suggests the latter was the plan.
Odd that you use the term naive rmccarthy16 and also the
plus state "yes the horse clipped heels, after he darted inside" as did you not see why he darted inside? Cathy Gannon's horse pushed him wide and had Greatrex stayed that side of her, he risked being carried even wider. Just for the record too, I'm not even convinced he actually clipped heels anyway and more that the change of direction when going inside caused his horse's far hind leg to slip on the turf.
Odd that you use the term naive rmccarthy16 and also the
plus state "yes the horse clipped heels, after he darted inside" as did you not see why he darted inside? Cathy Gannon's horse pushed him wide and had Greatrex stayed that side of her, he risked being carried even wider. Just for the record too, I'm not even convinced he actually clipped heels anyway and more that the change of direction when going inside caused his horse's far hind leg to slip on the turf.
Hardly worth pointing out the vvanker rides, or poor performances on here, all the real vvankers come out from under their slimy rocks and start with the keyboard(Im a cowardly coooont) warrior nonsense.
Too many flurcking muggle faced coooonts on here, that's the problem.
blimey, there are other people on the Forum, must be half a dozen on this thread that rarely post
A lot of pocket talk on here tonight lads , the horse was still going all right when it was carried wide then stumbled badly as it made a move back inside ,nothing to see.
the most blatant non trier seen for ages, should get a 6 months ban,cant believe people on here defending the ride
Can't believe people on here can't tell the different between things going wrong for a jockey during a race and a jockey doing wrong.
Anyone would think the being carried across the track and the slipping parts never even happened.
Anyone would think the being carried across the track and the slipping parts never even happened.
the only part of the ride he needs to explain is the apparent non effort to get the horse handy when stalls opened.
ima, why do you have it in for some jockeys but defend others to the hilt? carrott and basil- please please look up the word irony.
Stewards not bothered.
Race 2 - 6:20pm THE frosts4cars.co.uk LADIES DAY HANDICAP STAKES (CLASS 5) No Stewards Enquiry.
Cathy Gannon, the rider of OPTIMYSTIC (IRE), unplaced, reported that the filly ran too free.
Edward Greatrex, the rider of BELLE DORMANT (IRE), placed fourth, reported that the filly hung left in the final two furlongs.
Race 2 - 6:20pm THE frosts4cars.co.uk LADIES DAY HANDICAP STAKES (CLASS 5) No Stewards Enquiry.
Cathy Gannon, the rider of OPTIMYSTIC (IRE), unplaced, reported that the filly ran too free.
Edward Greatrex, the rider of BELLE DORMANT (IRE), placed fourth, reported that the filly hung left in the final two furlongs.
The quick answer to that one rmccarthy16 is that I don't. I look at each individual ride in question, so can just as easily be critical of one and see the reasons for another even from the very same jockey in two different rides. Any criticism usually involves a misjudgement though or poor decision making as opposed to anything dodgy.
I just feel that in the vast majority of beaten rides on here that some others are quick to call corruption over isn't usually the case and it's just pocket talking instead.
Just out of interest though, which jockeys do you think I have it in for, as that's really not the case?
I just feel that in the vast majority of beaten rides on here that some others are quick to call corruption over isn't usually the case and it's just pocket talking instead.
Just out of interest though, which jockeys do you think I have it in for, as that's really not the case?
well you will never ever criticize fallon and seem to rush to his defence at any point, even when he's not being discussed. Whereas Osoin Murphy you constantly criticize as not being good enough without his claim.
Answer the question, why did greatrex make no effort to get the horse to the front when it is a habitual front runner (on a trying day)
I'm not a pocket talker, far from it and rarely criticize jockeys but if you don't think the sport if rotten to the bone then you are very naive.
Answer the question, why did greatrex make no effort to get the horse to the front when it is a habitual front runner (on a trying day)
I'm not a pocket talker, far from it and rarely criticize jockeys but if you don't think the sport if rotten to the bone then you are very naive.
What you all moaning about ? The formbook will show - ' behind, ridden over 2f out, stayed on from over 1f out'. Lee Mckenzie, RP comments. Just about missed every key moment in the race. Perhaps Lee thought nobody was watching. Or maybe he was keeping this one for himself.
rmccarthy16 08 Jul 15 12:36
well you will never ever criticize fallon and seem to rush to his defence at any point, even when he's not being discussed. Whereas Osoin Murphy you constantly criticize as not being good enough without his claim.
Answer the question, why did greatrex make no effort to get the horse to the front when it is a habitual front runner (on a trying day)
I'm not a pocket talker, far from it and rarely criticize jockeys but if you don't think the sport if rotten to the bone then you are very naive.
What's actually naive is not being aware of someone else's posts because you don't have the benefit of having seen them all like the posters himself obviously has, and then telling that poster what you think he has said or done.
What's even more naive is to ask someone to answer a question when they already have given the answer several times in the very same thread you are asking the question. I've said a few times now going from how soon after the stalls opened that Greatrex tucked in towards the inside rail, suggests to me that was the plan all along due to the outside draw and the early left bend and not wanting to use up his horse too early to get over. Whether I'm right or not is open to debate and I'm just saying that's how it looked to me when answering the question......again!
I've criticised Fallon over several things, from the Top Cees ride, to covering up his mount in the middle of a wall of horses, then not getting a run when behind one or two and to the outer would have done just as well and being easier to pull around to get a run, to him sometimes leaving it a bit too late going for the whip, even though he tends to only use it as a very last resort.
I also haven't as you state with regards to Oisin Murphy "constantly criticize as not being good enough without his claim" but what I have done is said losing his claim will have an effect at times (just as it will for all in his position) which no doubt someone will pipe up is stating the obvious, so then why are people regularly misquoting me if it's so obvious?
Thinking a particular ride isn't rotten doesn't mean you therefore think there isn't anything rotten in the game. Any sport that involves gambling will always be open to that and especially a sport that allows handicapping like racing does.
Not trying to be rude here but that takes some special talent to get so much wrong in such a short post!
well you will never ever criticize fallon and seem to rush to his defence at any point, even when he's not being discussed. Whereas Osoin Murphy you constantly criticize as not being good enough without his claim.
Answer the question, why did greatrex make no effort to get the horse to the front when it is a habitual front runner (on a trying day)
I'm not a pocket talker, far from it and rarely criticize jockeys but if you don't think the sport if rotten to the bone then you are very naive.
What's actually naive is not being aware of someone else's posts because you don't have the benefit of having seen them all like the posters himself obviously has, and then telling that poster what you think he has said or done.
What's even more naive is to ask someone to answer a question when they already have given the answer several times in the very same thread you are asking the question. I've said a few times now going from how soon after the stalls opened that Greatrex tucked in towards the inside rail, suggests to me that was the plan all along due to the outside draw and the early left bend and not wanting to use up his horse too early to get over. Whether I'm right or not is open to debate and I'm just saying that's how it looked to me when answering the question......again!
I've criticised Fallon over several things, from the Top Cees ride, to covering up his mount in the middle of a wall of horses, then not getting a run when behind one or two and to the outer would have done just as well and being easier to pull around to get a run, to him sometimes leaving it a bit too late going for the whip, even though he tends to only use it as a very last resort.
I also haven't as you state with regards to Oisin Murphy "constantly criticize as not being good enough without his claim" but what I have done is said losing his claim will have an effect at times (just as it will for all in his position) which no doubt someone will pipe up is stating the obvious, so then why are people regularly misquoting me if it's so obvious?
Thinking a particular ride isn't rotten doesn't mean you therefore think there isn't anything rotten in the game. Any sport that involves gambling will always be open to that and especially a sport that allows handicapping like racing does.
Not trying to be rude here but that takes some special talent to get so much wrong in such a short post!
Your last sentence sums up your entire post. complete tosh and utterly boring.
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