is Golden Horn a cert?

no such thing as a cert in racing.......... D'OH

because he would be beaten once in 5 attempts at winning this race?

should never question a pro

Sorry 1/5 is one chance in six of losing and five out of six of winning.

here that FELTFAIR? the great Olias applauds you. well done. have a lollipop.

a few heavy odds on shots beaten in this in the past,authorised anyone? he prob will win but 2/5?   if the grey gatsby gets the race run to suit hes well capable of beating him..

the odds suggest golden horn is 2 1/2 times more likely to win than not?  id be slow taking that price..remember tgg beat australia last yr and should have won at ascot this year..

kavvie Ryan Moore rode a beauty at Leop to beat Australia(yes JOB was poor)

Can Spencer get the same momentum against an astute Frankie on GH?

Bound to be cat and mouse, not sure if Spencer is the man to be on here.
For that reason GH is the cert the OP alludes to.

Just to add Jack Hobbs is now rated the same as The Grey Gatsby.

Kavvie

The bookies love punters like you who follow these `unlucky` types.

Golden Horn does have much of Sea The Stars about him. I agree Money tree. The Cap Cross stamp perhaps.

With five runners and not obvious front runner the race will be tactical  There is talk about Golden Horn making the running  and that would be far from ideal for a horse who has sat off a decent pace in all four starts to date.  The Eclipse can be a graveyard for Derby winners (Authorised got beat at 4/7 with Dettori on top) and there have been many others.  Beware of The Grey Gatsby as with Spencer you have the ideal horse and jockey to pounce at the death.

Having said that York and particularly Epson was really impressive where his turn of foot to defeat stablemate Jack Hobbs has been franked by the runner-up.  The problem is the price and I have played at 1/2 with Bet365 with the aim of hedging some off at 1.36 on here if I can.

BTW The Grey Gatsby win over Australia is misleading as Joseph O' Brien gave Australia at appalling ride and that ride along with the ride on Gleneagles in France undoubtedly was the reason Ryan Moore was promoted to No.1 jockey at Coolmore.

But GH stays 12f so well, so why nor front run. No point getting into a tactical 2f kick for home if you are behind and hit a flat spot like he did in the Derby. Frankie said post race that all the concern was his stamina but as the race unfolded a bigger issue was getting him going(flat spot).

Fair point.
To be a real great he will have to make all.

I remember the 1968 Derby winner Sir Ivor being beaten by the previous year's Derby winner Royal Palace and also the French classic winner Taj Dewan. 3 year olds have to be the best of their generation to win with an 11lb allowance.

SA

All that being said the door can be shut very easily at Sandown, you can see Spencer weaving about looking for a gap.
Regarding the ratings, after only 4 races has more room to move upwards.

Also Authorized won his race on the far side, was just beaten by a freak ride by Ryan Moore who raced alone.

NO   ITS THE age thing  3 years v 4 years
they aint a 3 year old who can beat him         but today  hes the youngster of the field   2/5   ?? they will be better 2/5 shots .... lets see   its a no bet or lay for me  ...just enjoy

3year old get an 11lbs   weight for age   other wise they would have no chance

I'd like to have seen him run in the Irish Derby. Think Gosden must rate this animal very highly to take the older ones on so soon. Where do you think he's next race will be IF he wins ? Will the Ascot race be to soon ?

Gosden always over respects the opposition.

2/5 is the right price

Well im happy with my position lol 8/13 the good thing, 4/1 + 3 places TGG and a hedge off giving me +160 the field

Thats why i love antepost