Timmy

has anyone seen him ride a good race since he has been riding on flat

Unlucky according to RUK.

Well i thought franny norton rode a blinder keeping him in hole...paid for my holiday whoopeee

The girl showed him what is required - acres of room at Haydock but not on the inside - pocket talking I'm afraid

all the talent out there and that clown gets chance to play 'flat jockey'

Murphy was useless on the jumps  - so I can't see him doing much on the flat - You do need to play tactical games to win sometimes

Personal demons aside, Timmy was a stylish jumps jockey but he's not even competent let alone stylish on the Flat!

Graham Lee he is definitely not!

How long will trainers keep the faith?

Can't see what he's done wrong really and the winning jockey was in a similar position to him on the rail but the gap came for her and she rightly took it but it didn't come for Murphy.

He's tried to go up the inner but the one in front of him cut off that option and if he sat there in behind doing nothing with no gap coming then everyone would have said why didn't he pull out wide for a run, which is exactly what he did.......The giving away 1lb shy of a stone to the winner plus the winning jockey's 3lb claim probably was the deciding factor here and Timmy Murphy has been riding long enough to know the risks of going up the rail and today it just didn't come off for him.

It was just bad luck in running and all part of race riding where sometimes the gaps come and sometimes they don't and quite ironic really that comparisons are being made with Graham Lee, because he was slaughtered on here when he first went riding on the Flat, plus for his biggest win to date on in that sphere he looked like having to go 4-5 horses wide on the bend until darting through a gap on the rails to the inner.

ima you'll go upstairs don't worry,we all know everythings lovely n rose tinted for yourself.

i'm a bad loser

Ima the headcase who spends half his life defending Fallon.
Wheres fallon now and why is he there ?, ya numpty.

Yeah - where is Fallon?

In America, and thankfully he wont be back.

Like I keep saying mincer11, you and others are far more obsessed about Fallon than I've ever been, as you bring him up in a thread about er, Timmy Murphy just goes to prove.

Your lack of self-awareness does amuse me though when a nobody is asking where's Fallon now? If he never rode another winner in his life he will still go down as one of the all time great jockeys in racing history, whereas your standing in the sport is erm....... :)

Just got back from Haydock and was my only bet of the day. Thought it was a poor ride but felt uneasy before the off as it was quite easy to back. Murphy Durack and a drift. I should have known better.

And yet Try My Best, you wouldn't have been able to make that post if the line came an extra stride or so later, as it would have got up.

What exactly does "Murphy Durack and a drift. I should have known better" mean when they were beaten a head in an unlucky in running race? If the implications were that connections deliberately wanted to get it beaten then the easiest thing in the world would have been for the jockey to stay trapped on the inner and then claim he couldn't get a run, as opposed to pulling out to ensure that he did.

When Murphy went for a run up the inner, the jockey ahead of him was using the whip in his right hand which took it towards the rail and closed the door on Murphy. Had he used it in the other hand there's a good chance any movement would have been the other way and the gap would have opened along the rail.

You can just be a little unlucky in this game without having to find a scapegoat or any skulduggery.

It was just an awful ride. A flat jock has to think ahead of what might happen,it all happens in split seconds,but that is the difference between a good one and someone like Murphy

I'm sure plenty of "good ones" have been trapped on the rail before, waiting for gaps that didn't come. Richard Hughes basically lost his retainer to Khalid Abdullah based on that.

Just as plenty of times the gap does come and they win the race with luck on their side, such as Fallon winning the Arc on Hurricane Run and Kinane winning it on Sea The Stars, with both jockeys likely to have been slaughtered if the gaps didn't come. Ironically Fallon rode the exact same race on Hurricane Run a year later and the gap closed on him and he couldn't get out.

There's nothing wrong with Timmy Murphy if the horse is good enough and bar any bad luck in running. If any regular flat jockey had ridden that race, no doubt he would still have got plenty of stick but obviously nobody would be making any references to him being an ex-NH jock and things happening too quickly for him.

Fallon will go down as one of the all-time cranks.

Luck does play a part,so does skill. A jock like Moore must have plenty of both,Murphy relies on a lot of the former

TRD.Racing 02 Jul 15 19:31 Joined: 14 Apr 11 | Topic/replies: 11,657 | Blogger: TRD.Racing's blog
It was just an awful ride. A flat jock has to think ahead of what might happen,it all happens in split seconds,but that is the difference between a good one and someone like Murphy


TRD, That is an excellent post. All this 'no room or 'no luck inrunning' sh ite is utter nonsense. The jockeys have a minimum of 5 furlongs to get a position. They should be thinking ahead. It isn't when they get trapped they've made the mistake, it's not seeing it happening and accounting for it earlier on. This was at Haydock for goodness sake, with over half a mile of straight. Granted, had it been somewhere like Lingfield on the all weather with 12+ runners around a tight track then fair enough position is a huge part. Murphy must have known before the race how the track was set out. It was a shocking ride.

Roger De Bris     02 Jul 15 19:45 
Fallon will go down as one of the all-time cranks.

Yes he's that too.

And yet jamesdean Murphy and any number of other jockeys will ride the same race any number of times and the gaps come where a horse in front will go on and take the one behind along with it or others drop away and allow another jockey to manoeuvre off the rail for his run.

Do people think Ryan Moore had never been boxed in before during a race? How many times do you hear it said that a winning jockey didn't panic or was patient and had to wait for an opening before going on to win?

Can you point out where I've said Ryan Moore or any other jockey has never been boxed in during a race please?

I said it was a terrible ride, which it was.

Can you point out where I said you said it?

I asked a (rhetorical) question, as shown by the ? at the end of it?

I said it was a bad luck in running ride, which it was.

It wasn't bad luck. He had 1m 2 furlongs and over 4 furlongs of straight to get a position. It was inept at best.
He made a mistake and would most likely admit this himself imo

So in an 8 runenr race are they supposed to race in lanes with the 8th horse going 8 wide on the bend just to ensure they all get a clear run? Someone has to be on the rail, just as someone has to lead and someone has to be last during stages of the race too. As I said earlier in the thread, the same ride can happen any number of times in any number of races and the gaps will come by others going on or falling away to create them. For

For much of the race Murphy was 2nd on the rail with one to his outer and the winning jockey rode basically the same race in 4th on the rail with one to her outer. The gap came for her when the one to Murphy's outer went on and took her through plus the one on her outer dropped away. Even Murphy only got out due to that same horse dropping away because if it didn't then it would have held him and the winner in.....Nobody is saying Samantha Bell was lucky though but would have been saying it was an awful ride from her if she had been held in too.

Murphy himself originally went to go up the inside of the leader before the door was closed on him and if that had not happened then this thread wouldn't even exist because he would have won!

Sorry ima, just seen your posts on the Noel Fehily thread. I'll leave you to it, good night.

That's not meant in a snide way by the way. Just that we will just go around in circles here with differing opinions.
That's all they are by the way. Neither better than the other, just personal views.

So you will have seen me agree with everyone then jamesdean when saying he only rode for 2nd, is that what you mean or did you process it another way going by what I said?

I think some people only see what they want to see.

See 21:26 post.

Yeah saw that but only after I has sent my own post but still don't really see what I have said wrong on the Fehily thread anyway by saying he probably set out to ride for 2nd all along due to the odds-on fav.

He's had the full straight to edge out and get a position without stopping the horses momentum in the move that he eventually made. It was a shocker as he was clearly on the best horse in the race.

You can't edge out if there's nowhere to edge out to if another horse is holding you in, so if he was guilty of anything it was for not breaking the rules by barging his way out. Which brings me to another point I've made on here before when if a jockey is boxed in, if he barges his way out and then wins by several lengths and the results stands, you get the usual clichéd "but the best horse won."

Yes, the best horse won because the jockey broke the rules and they sometimes even put other horses and jockeys at risk of harm when doing so. The best horse didn't win here because Timmy Murphy didn't break the rules. He's not the most aggressive rider and has a quiet style, plus getting a ban now at this stage of his flat racing career wouldn't really help his progression either.

Let's agree to disagree