What is the point of the Hugh Taylor column?

who can get pricewise advised prices?

who can get pricewise advised prices?

£10 or £20 punters, who PW is aimed at, in the shops just after opening. Sir Hugh of ATR has no equivalent agreement with the books to hold their prices for a few minutes.

Tom Seagull

Its the problem with all these tipsters now.
A live outsider will be shortened robbing any of us that could find it ourselves.

Everything is too interconnected now and a ton or two can have a horse shortened across the board.

Tom Seagull

iirc Sir Tom complained he gets knocked back too (or was that his predecessor, Mel (or both)?). Apologies for the punctuation pile-up.

He should get birchy to place his bets then.

He should get birchy to place his bets then.

A couple of decades back, when SIS first started, the chap from Ladbrokes opposite SIS HQ told me all the presenters were restricted, apart from one serial loser who could stake as much as he liked.

Hugh Taylor can hardly be blamed if the bookies slash his tips as soon as they get wind. Odds checker have Dew Pond stills showing at best price 7-2 with Ladcrokes when they cut it to 5-2 shortly after he tipped it.

If your lucky enough to have the race he is going to tip up in on your screen, you will see the move on betfair some 2 minutes before his post is published

olddesperado
     29 Jun 15 10:32   

Its the problem with all these tipsters now.
A live outsider will be shortened robbing any of us that could find it ourselves.




nailed it

Jun 29, 2015 -- 1:26PM, TheGoddess wrote:

If your lucky enough to have the race he is going to tip up in on your screen, you will see the move on betfair some 2 minutes before his post is published

doesn't seem to be any evidence of that today according to oddschecker.  How long have you kept records of this phenomenon?

The idea of the column is for the prices to be slashed immediately, and for the most clueless followers to just bet anyway at the odds advertised next to the write up by the bookmakers with whom ATR are in partnership.

As it stands, Taylor is self indulgent in the extreme to continue tipping in a column that he's very well aware is exclusively anti-punter, imo...

"Taylor is self indulgent in the extreme to continue tipping in a column . . ." RIDICULOUS.

If you are a tipster by profession (which I am, one of only eight national newspaper tipsters) you tip for whoever has headhunted you to tip.
It pays the mortgage. You do your best. You give the occasional 20-1 winner, the occasional 16-1 winner, obviously many more at odds-on.
It is hardly self indulgent to devote your day to your readership.

Which newspaper do you tip for, Tilted ?

I agree calling Hugh Taylor self indulgent, is ridiculous. The guy is only making a living. It's the bookmakers who Millhouse needs to vent his frustration with.

can i further add, that if you DO consistently get on at his prices advised, most bookeis will just close your account or restrict you. This is a sad sad fact

tilted     29 Jun 15 14:24 
"Taylor is self indulgent in the extreme to continue tipping in a column . . ." RIDICULOUS.

If you are a tipster by profession (which I am, one of only eight national newspaper tipsters) you tip for whoever has headhunted you to tip.
It pays the mortgage. You do your best. You give the occasional 20-1 winner, the occasional 16-1 winner, obviously many more at odds-on.
It is hardly self indulgent to devote your day to your readership.



And more obviously many many more losers.

What is the point of any racing content except for hard news? Trying to tip winners for others is an impossible task - there is no Holy Grail, believe me.

"And more obviously many many more losers." CORRECT.

If you look at the lower of the two tables on page 58 of the Post, and you will see the ratio of winners is 1:3.
The Mirror and Postdata (typically) tip 24% winners; The Guardian tip 27%: the rest of us are 25% or 26%.

Tilted I've been keeping stats on naps from a number of tipsters, including newspaper ones.

I keep records both on early prices and starting prices.

In order of success, based on ROI, they go..........

1) The Telegraph 5.28%
2) Daily Mail 4.06%
3) The Star 3.86%
4) The Sun -0.40%
5) The Times -0.86%
6) The Express -0.87%
7) The Guardian -2.24%
8) Daily Mirror -9.20%

So which one are you ? I hope your not called Dave Yates !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMu1T_Tg5Fw

The Pinhooker
29 Jun 15 14:38

What is the point of any racing content except for hard news? Trying to tip winners for others is an impossible task - there is no Holy Grail, believe me.



the only reason it's impossible is because bookies cut odds instantaneously and close winning accounts...the fact Hugh has made a 3-fig LSP at advised prices for 6 yrs running shows it's perfectly possible otherwise

WFT you have made my day. I'm a statistician (and a logician) and have never had access to figures based on early prices.
I can sleep at night now, knowing I am safely in profit -- which I am not based on SPs.
The Scout (Peter Jones on the board of Goodwood, ex-Tote chairman and a fellow statistician) has pointed out to me that anyone in the National Press Challenge who makes an SP loss of -£90 on their 900-1,000 tips a month will actually be in profit on Betfair net of a 5% deduction.
That news also helps me sleep at night.

any1 winning at industy sp is either a liar, or barely bets with great inside information.

any1 winning at industy sp is either a liar, or barely bets with great inside information.

if you say so, gnashers

Based upon SP.........

1) The Telegraph -2.43%
2) The Star -5.7%
3) Daily Mail -7.35%
4) The Sun -11.15%
5) The Times -11.15%
6) The Express -11.16%
7) The Guardian -12.16%
8) Daily Mirror -15.64%

This is why nobody should back at sp !

Unless it's a drifter, of course.

SP TOTAL PERCENTS ON SUNDAY

CARTMEL 124, 113, 112, 113, 108, 119, 115.
WINDSOR 113, 109, 112, 111, 113, 115, 114.
UTTOX from 113-129.

You would need to be very selective to make a profit.

Based upon SP.........

1) The Telegraph -2.43%
2) The Star -5.7%
3) Daily Mail -7.35%
4) The Sun -11.15%
5) The Times -11.15%
6) The Express -11.16%
7) The Guardian -12.16%
8) Daily Mirror -15.64%

This is why nobody should back at sp !

Unless it's a drifter, of course.
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Over what period of time are these figures ?

Over what period of time are these figures ?

16th of February 2007

Between 2,500 and 3,000 naps

Tilted, I've no idea what happens when you put one up, but as soon as Taylor tips a horse, and I mean within seconds, its price is slashed across the board.

So all that's actually happening, because unlike most of the guessers in the naps table, he's very good, is value is being strangled before anyone can get to it.

This is totally against all punters, and completely in favour of the bookmakers, who get a very nice little early warning system about their price rics, without anyone getting a bet.

It's not like Segal, when there's the window where the prices revert. He tips, and then the prices are gone.

So why doesn't Taylor just back his horses himself, instead of shafting punters every single day, imo...

So why doesn't Taylor just back his horses himself, instead of shafting punters every single day, imo...


not sure whether you've heard, millhouse, but some say bookies have a habit of closing the accounts of winning punters (i know, hard to believe , isnt it)

So let's not pretend this column is anything other than what it is Duncan - a totally anti punter, completely bookmaker friendly, absolutely cynical ATR vanity project...

if taylors selections shorten so much on here other horses in opposition must become value.

CharlieCroker69 . . . you are too bright for this forum. Get off home. Logical conclusions are few and far between here.

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Hugh Taylor is a top,top judge at picking horses at  value prices.
Anybody who does not agree with this is an Idiot.
However as we all know the prices have gone in the minute or so before they are put up.
The bookies MUST be getting the nod of somebody for a few quid in the pocket.
Wouldnt think it was difficult to work out who was getting those few quid.

The prices go from Betfair also in the minute or so they appear online,again it isnt hard to work out who takes the prices and then arbs them.

In fairness we would all do it if we were as good judges as Hugh Taylor.
He also does openly say that there is little value in backing the horses at reduced prices.

However some people/sheep just want to back that winner and bury there heads in the sand.

1830.

Can tell you for a fact the ex "big" bookies have someone waiting for him to put them up, as soon as they are up,  they are gone.

Have to agree he is a good judge of that there is no doubt,but so are many others giggalo being one, but having a pick of mythical prices is one hell of a head start on your p and l.

If Hugh lived in the real world he would not get a bean on .

i m o of cause.

Enlighten us the Tom Jones

Hugh is a totally decent guy and excellent tipster. What is annoying is when he puts up something I want to back but haven't yet, like Cyril two weeks ago. Was showing around 10 on betunfair early morning but next time I looked it was just over 4.5. It is Attheadverts that claim the mythical prices not Hugh. The way to get the most out of his column is to read what he says and incorporate the methodology and thinking into your own selections.

What like this horse will either dance in or finish stone bonking last

'The way to get the most out of his column is to read what he says and incorporate the methodology and thinking into your own selections. '


total respect for HT but for those of us that dont need to do that, the column is obviously just a big negative

The Harrow on the hill mob should be banned from oddschecker as consistently leave bigger prices up there which arent there when you log in and I dint mean two or three minutes I mean hours Augusta Ada was up at 11/2 yesterday forever 7/2 when you go to site!

The argument for it is that it shows that if you are good and are prepared to work at it, you can win money, which Hugh Taylor is showing.  The fact that his tips actually make it harder to win money is quite ironic

Ironically his tip for today is Mad Endeavour

^ Wondered why this couldn't get matched at all before nose-diving in price, same yesterday with Dew Pond, blokes a good tipster but a pestilence to those that pick their own that unfortunately then match his and all the numplings jump on.

if you say so koddy

Hugh Taylor actually says that he wouldn't bet at under 80% of his advised price - the fact is that more often than not the price is reduced on average by about 40-45%. There was a race a few months back where he fancied two horses but tipped up the one at 8/1 and not the 6/1 shot. He said on twitter he wouldn't have backed the 8/1 at 6/1, immediately the bookies cut it in to 9/2. The original 6/1 shot won...............

I had one existing account left and I won on a HT selection which I did 1 minute before he tipped it up. The next day my account was closed!

I was not slagging him off please read again ficko . . . Thanks.

There seems to be a lot of confused people on these Taylor threads. No one is saying he cant tip value (please stop saying winners, anyone can tip winners its making a profit that is the hard bit). What we are debating is whether he adds anything to the punter experience or is he just a tool for the bookmakers. I think he is the latter as bookmakers make far more underlaying his tips as they do losing a few pence on the prices. Now what would be far more ethical is if Hugh advised in the following format

2.30 Mill Reef 5/1 minimum price 4/1

At least the very stupid would have it spelt out to them

.......The way to get the most out of his column is to read what he says and incorporate the methodology and thinking into your own selections......




Utter bullshlt