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Fantastic evening, great weather, great crowd,all uk raiders BEAT,
come racing..
come racing..
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Mattie ride any winners?
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i couldnt get there , any outsiders?
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I see Mattie Batchelor had 2 winners.
Jersey Racing is not great for the real racing fans - its all run by the on course bookies up there ...and a lot of the owners are actually private bookmakers who live in Guernsey and Jersey. Love forecast betting though ...some real value up there with the tote |
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Mattie won first 2 races on short price favs
2 decent price winners Chesterslittlegem could of had 10s and Capt James could of had 12s. |
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i see one of those owned by a jersey bookie - honest Nev...or bullshit Nev as many call him ...lol, a character .
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Rozel not right re owners and gnsy bookie, Trev G only gnsy bookie there has one horse with Ally Malzard.
Only 6 bookies, only Nev has 1 in training ie Chesters lg. totally disagree re racing fans, brilliant supporters attend most meetings.. |
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Jersey Racing is more just a bit of fun for the family, rather than your more serous racing fans
Well from what ive been told , from an ex trainer , they just all take their turns throughout the short season ....3 to 6 trainers on a small island plus a few uk trainers coming over who may i add have connections to the island being Brendan Powell. In my opinion the place is "quaint" at best ..its a good day out for the kids , a portion of chips and an ice cream- it would be great if they could really do something there if there was some big funding ....but im afraid many have tried to push for that but the local clique don't want things to be too competitive for them. |
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UK trainers love it here, visiting trainers this year include
mullholland, carroll,baker,lloyd-beavis,gardener,and brendan. German trainer also. Prize money the equal of ANY low grade racing in the UK. Trainers are extremel competitive and as far as i know as a bookie NO carve ups or turn taking.. How long since you bEen ?? // |
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Do you say you are a jersey bookie ?
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Sounds more like a greyhound flapper meeting up north than a horse racing fixture
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gemini01 28 Jun 15 09:50
Sounds more like a greyhound flapper meeting up north than a horse racing fixture Don't they still have flapper meetings for horses? |
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They do is right sparrow, very common in Ireland, a meeting most weekends i think
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Rozel, I am a Jersey bookie one of the 6.
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BHA run horses should be banned from running there.
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RdeB
wHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU ON ?? |
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The more I think of that comment,the more annoyed I become, total ignorance of the racing in Jersey.
Dont know if its a snobbish or just plain ignorance from R de B. |
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Last time i was there was last year , it started pouring down and there was nowhere to get cover so we had to run back to my bloody car in a middle of a field full of cow **** because we were getting soaked ...families were having to do the same ...it was a joke so we left.
It’s such a joke that if you have not been able to book into limited seats £60.00 dinner marquee then you are either going to get soaked , or frozen with that wind coming off the coast , or if you are 60+ years old then you are going to be so tired from standing up that you become exhausted with being moved into the mounded pen like a sheep every 20 minutes - Its quite unbelievable with the contempt that the clubs shows racegoers when there is no cover provided if the weather turns bad – and it’s quite clear that the club couldn't give a **** to even prepare for the eventuality.....but the club then has the audacity to question why no one turns up or why the Race Club are having problems with sponsorship of races in what is an offshore finance centre with money coming out of our ears. I’m not surprised that UK trainers love it here - gives them a chance to have a day off from professional and competitive racing ...even in lower grade races so they can pick of a few races for their owners who struggle to win races in the uk Sorry to disappoint you, but trainers and owners do carve up races over here as they all know each other and are part of the same club ...and if you are a jersey bookie then you would know this. i know in fact as being from here and knowing of a few examples from owners and other particular people involved . one example is that a few years ago i was told by a particular person, who is part of one clubs private clique, to go up and have a double on 2 horses which were trained by a local trainer which were both being ridden by a very good visiting UK jockey...they were the less fancied horses of the stable in their respective races as they had no form..... But both won comfortably at nice prices which far exceeded the average sp of horses across the year at each meeting. I’m Digressing here but always remember the day , the on course bookmakers were so pissed off with me that one of them made me and my girlfriend wait for 2 hours until the end of racing to collect our returns (which didn't make my missus best pleased as we were supposed to be somewhere else by race 4 ) . 1.8 k returns on each bet, placed 2 doubles with 2 separate bookies totalling 3.6k ...it was hilarious to take a big chunk of their days takings. I told one bookie that i had a tip to put the double on (just to wind him up for making us wait) and he kept asking me who it was who gave the tip but i batted it off.....He obviously wanted to know so he could then bring it up with members of his little clique that i know he is part of he had 2 assistants looking at me as if what I had done was impossible and that it was the first time he ever had to pay out like that on course There is no regulation or policing of racing in jersey....not like it is in the UK - so races can get carved up with no threat of investigations as its all being run by the same people who own the horses , own the course , and create the book. I'm going to have a rant here because the Jersey Race Club and bookmakers piss me off. Don’t get me wrong as I'm born here with generations of my family and i would be up there all the time if it was worth it.... and if they actually invested money into attracting the true racing fans - But turning up to a race meeting, which is clearly a "get together" for members of the Jersey Race Club Clique is not my cup of tea. You see the same faces every year, and the same meetings, with the same horses, taking turns to clap and applaud each other ...its begins to get nauseating! There are hundreds and hundreds of real racing fans over here who have to fly out to watch race meetings. Im part of a racing club of 30 members and we talk about this issue all the time....none of us turn up to Les Landes and we laugh when anyone even mentions Les Landes , the only people who turn up there are families and the clique themselves together with their guests/ sponsors. Even though i class myself as an avid follower of this great sport/business ...i would prefer to stay in or do something else than turn up to Les Landes......sad but true. Its saying something that i would rather pay £150 to jump on a plane on Friday afternoon, plus another £150+ hotel with other expenses, to go watch a Friday evening race meeting at Newmarket and fly back on Saturday ……rather than drive a couple of miles from one side of the island to the other and pay a £10.00 entry fee to stand in a field pretending to watch competitive horse races and also pretending to have a good time or even be interested. Jersey Race season runs from beginning of April to end of August and they apparently have a lot of trouble in getting sponsorship for races or getting sufficient numbers attending ....hmm wonder why when the same faces attending at every meeting? - Point to point meetings in the UK is 10 times more competitive and they don't even pretend to be professional racing under rules. Jersey Race club would be better to start taking action to get the true racing fans up there - I've heard of a few people who have wanted to invest in the club and of course but what happens ...the club makes up loads of crap saying it cannot be done when really it’s because it doesn't want to upset the clique's interests with carving up of races and local bookmakers interests and the clubs interest ….not the 500+ racing fans that the club definitely knows who don't turn up because of the club being unprofessional - the same 500+ racing fans who would even buy season ticket badges at treble the admission fee …if the club pulled their finger out and acted in the interest of avid racing fans I think that the Jersey Race Club should be creating a long term plan to get some serious investment into the course and club - no imagination when they don’t want to risk their own vested interest so us Horse racing Fans, who find themselves in living Jersey, wont hold our breath as its clear that they don’t want to risk their own vested interest monopoly and vested interests |
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Last time i was there was last year , it started pouring down and there was nowhere to get cover so we had to run back to my bloody car in a middle of a field full of cow **** because we were getting soaked ...families were having to do the same ...it was a joke so we left.
It’s such a joke that if you have not been able to book into limited seats £60.00 dinner marquee then you are either going to get soaked , or frozen with that wind coming off the coast , or if you are 60+ years old then you are going to be so tired from standing up that you become exhausted with being moved into the mounded pen like a sheep every 20 minutes - Its quite unbelievable with the contempt that the clubs shows racegoers when there is no cover provided if the weather turns bad – and it’s quite clear that the club couldn't give a **** to even prepare for the eventuality.....but the club then has the audacity to question why no one turns up or why the Race Club are having problems with sponsorship of races in what is an offshore finance centre with money coming out of our ears. I’m not surprised that UK trainers love it here - gives them a chance to have a day off from professional and competitive racing ...even in lower grade races so they can pick of a few races for their owners who struggle to win races in the uk Sorry to disappoint you, but trainers and owners do carve up races over here as they all know each other and are part of the same club ...and if you are a jersey bookie then you would know this. i know in fact as being from here and knowing of a few examples from owners and other particular people involved . one example is that a few years ago i was told by a particular person, who is part of one clubs private clique, to go up and have a double on 2 horses which were trained by a local trainer which were both being ridden by a very good visiting UK jockey...they were the less fancied horses of the stable in their respective races as they had no form..... But both won comfortably at nice prices which far exceeded the average sp of horses across the year at each meeting. I’m Digressing here but always remember the day , the on course bookmakers were so pissed off with me that one of them made me and my girlfriend wait for 2 hours until the end of racing to collect our returns (which didn't make my missus best pleased as we were supposed to be somewhere else by race 4 ) . 1.8 k returns on each bet, placed 2 doubles with 2 separate bookies totalling 3.6k ...it was hilarious to take a big chunk of their days takings. I told one bookie that i had a tip to put the double on (just to wind him up for making us wait) and he kept asking me who it was who gave the tip but i batted it off.....He obviously wanted to know so he could then bring it up with members of his little clique that i know he is part of he had 2 assistants looking at me as if what I had done was impossible and that it was the first time he ever had to pay out like that on course There is no regulation or policing of racing in jersey....not like it is in the UK - so races can get carved up with no threat of investigations as its all being run by the same people who own the horses , own the course , and create the book. I'm going to have a rant here because the Jersey Race Club and bookmakers piss me off. Don’t get me wrong as I'm born here with generations of my family and i would be up there all the time if it was worth it.... and if they actually invested money into attracting the true racing fans - But turning up to a race meeting, which is clearly a "get together" for members of the Jersey Race Club Clique is not my cup of tea. You see the same faces every year, and the same meetings, with the same horses, taking turns to clap and applaud each other ...its begins to get nauseating! There are hundreds and hundreds of real racing fans over here who have to fly out to watch race meetings. Im part of a racing club of 30 members and we talk about this issue all the time....none of us turn up to Les Landes and we laugh when anyone even mentions Les Landes , the only people who turn up there are families and the clique themselves together with their guests/ sponsors. Even though i class myself as an avid follower of this great sport/business ...i would prefer to stay in or do something else than turn up to Les Landes......sad but true. Its saying something that i would rather pay £150 to jump on a plane on Friday afternoon, plus another £150+ hotel with other expenses, to go watch a Friday evening race meeting at Newmarket and fly back on Saturday ……rather than drive a couple of miles from one side of the island to the other and pay a £10.00 entry fee to stand in a field pretending to watch competitive horse races and also pretending to have a good time or even be interested. Jersey Race season runs from beginning of April to end of August and they apparently have a lot of trouble in getting sponsorship for races or getting sufficient numbers attending ....hmm wonder why when the same faces attending at every meeting? - Point to point meetings in the UK is 10 times more competitive and they don't even pretend to be professional racing under rules. Jersey Race club would be better to start taking action to get the true racing fans up there - I've heard of a few people who have wanted to invest in the club and of course but what happens ...the club makes up loads of crap saying it cannot be done when really it’s because it doesn't want to upset the clique's interests with carving up of races and local bookmakers interests and the clubs interest ….not the 500+ racing fans that the club definitely knows who don't turn up because of the club being unprofessional - the same 500+ racing fans who would even buy season ticket badges at treble the admission fee …if the club pulled their finger out and acted in the interest of avid racing fans I think that the Jersey Race Club should be creating a long term plan to get some serious investment into the course and club - no imagination when they don’t want to risk their own vested interest so us Horse racing Fans, who find themselves in living Jersey, wont hold our breath as its clear that they don’t want to risk their own vested interest monopoly and vested interests |
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ROZEL KID.
Where do I start ? First of all your talents are wasted you should be assissting the Jersey Race Club especially with your love of our sport. There is covered shelter by way of a large marquee apart from those dining and not paying your suggested price. Regarding sponsorship I believe that the vast majority of the 45 races are indeed sponsored, as to attendances I would say that racing is the 2nd most attended sport only behind the Rugby club [ spot any Jersey player] you wont. Regarding UK trainers I would say that there were app 5/7 runners on Friday how many winners ?? well what about NIL. Having stood at Les Landes for over 40 years I will dispute your facts re carve ups, re the bets well I would say that none of us take large doubles, so allthough not going as far as challenging your statement I find it a bit far fetched. The club does blood test horses, again another disputed statement.Stewards enquiries are often held and results are published.Indeed suspensions here are I believe upheld in the UK also any fines are also reported. Another exaggeration, hundreds and hundreds of racing fans going to the UK to watch racing regularly. I cant be bothered to write any more as I feel that your comments are completely misinformed and full of errors and that is being polite. AGAIN WHY DONT YOU PUT YOUR THOUGHTS IN WRITING TO THE RACE CLUB. I am bookie number 2 if you want to know who I am, and are talking to. it is easy for you to find out I work next to Nev and Trevor. |
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You being a Jersey bookie explains a lot.
I don't mean to be rude but how you can come onto a serious racing forum encouraging people to "come racing" ,whilst being involved in for 40 years with jersey race meetings , when they would definitely expect more , is quite embarrassing especially to racing enthusiasts who live here. I could walk around our town and get hundreds of signatures from all racing enthusiasts and they would all say that they have not been up there in years and probably wouldn't even be able to remember when they went if they went at all. I suppose its just that we had been up there so many times in the past and that we know what the place is really like and its depressing to see the same faces turning up all the time patting each other on the back. By the way , I've heard that the Racing Club actually provide subsidies to bring selected UK trainers over , im not sure if this is true but from what i know about the Racing Club i wouldn't be surprised- apparently its almost like an invite by others trainers and the club . If you look at the trainers who come over they all have connections in the island too which explains a lot on that front. Well we will have to agree to disagree on many points. As i say , don't get me wrong as im normally of the more positive mindset ....but the local Racing Clique really piss me off. 1. The Race Club is always going on radio jersey voicing concerns about attendances and sponsorship, and most of the clubs members actually sponsor the races because of failures by the clubs administrators and board members.I heard there was a race meeting a few weeks back that was organised near Liberation Day....great event organising as hardly anyone turned up and it was apparently really embarrassing for the club. The Racing Club clique members were all down the waterfront riding around in their classic cars , that's probably why, lol 2. There is hardly any sporting events that are advertised publicly in the island - Racing is the only one i know of, apart from the Jersey Rally, and the Rugby Club who get hundreds of thousands in subsidies by the government for another local private clique. 3.As a racing enthusiast - when you've seen far more professional racing then Les Landes and are used to seeing more competitive racing on a daily basis .... its a big come down to think of Les Landes. You know this anyway if you are a local bookmaker - How many people who come into your betting shop , or people who bet online over here , actually turn up to meetings at Les Landes ? There are hundreds and probably up to 2000 everyday punters of who never go to Les Landes as they see it as a joke and that is a simple irrefutable fact ! Im absolutely gutted in why we don't make racing bigger in Jersey , ive got loads of ideas as im sure many have , but as everything over here ...any progressive ideas will probably not be in the interests of the few vested interests who run treat jersey racing as a hobby for private interest , or to please a few friends so they can show some sort of egotistical power to impress people. |
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I went about 16 years ago so things could have changed, bookies were betting 2/1 or 3/1 all seven runners, Adrian Maguire was riding that evening. Nowadays the UK jockeys that go appear to be girls that do not ride very often in UK, Jemma Marshall, Nora Looby etc and of course Mattie Batchelor.
It was an enjoyable evening as the weather was fantastic and the setting is beautiful but as a gambling event I would not rate it. |
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MORNING ROZEL.
My last word on the subject. Subsidies are available to each and every visiting trainer, wherever they arrive from, ie UK, EUROPE. they certainly are not just for certain trainers as you imply. The meeting on Liberation weekend was certainly a misguided timeing of an event, when every parish had an event laid on,and was a very special time in Jersey, this I believe was due to a certain previous employee having to much power. THIS IS ALL MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS AND NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF THE RACE CLUB. As for thyem being in their classic cars then that is their own personal choice. Regarding the standard of local racing , we will never be able to compete with group 1 to 3 meetings and probably would not be able to cope with the infrastructure that would be required.Jersey racing is competitive ,friendly,and I hope enjoyable to all those who take the BOTHER to attend regularly, indeed the Race club has a very loyal group of supporters. As I said before I am sure the Race club would wlcome your ideas for consideration. With best wishes signing out. 29/06/015 |