Betfred's latest excuse not to pay out.....

But surely if they are pushes or not, when you place the bet and take the price SURELY there is a message on the screen for the cashier that states "MAX £100" "SINGLES ONLY" etc. It ain't rocket science that's needed to help both sides of the counter.

I don't think that is the case as quite often in 1 fred shop I go in the woman will ring up to see what the maximum is despite me pointing to the advert which says max £100, singles only

Also other occasions I have written say £100 @ 3/1 and when going to collect it has been translated at the non-pushed price say 2/1 and then they have had to ring up to see if it was pushed at the time I placed the bet

So assume nothing

Fair enough Paul, I stand corrected on that but I asked my mate who has been a manager for Corals for 20 years and he said it would be translated as 2 singles. Betfred are a rotten firm, my local shop opposite Herne Hill train station have got the rudest staff ever. I have been punting since I was at school, they are truly a rancid firm. Well done on your efforts to sort out disputes.

"I cant really see a problem with his bet anyway, they are hardly related contingencies, nothing stopping him putting his Sweden winnings on a horse after he has collected them. Crazy.."

Such is the intelligence of those on here and we are supposed to know better..

Surely the Punter would have been an extra in Dr Who and gone back in time..

I hate the rancid knocker but if the price push stated singles only then his Head Office minimum wage staff are correct.

Was it a price push..

Does anyone know or even care..

Incidentally agree with those that point out the probable hundreds of thousands bets that  go unclaimed as sleepers..

Not in my day...

I aint a buffoon HFT, I know you cant go back retrospectively

absolutely agree HFT, we all know it goes on between firms.

it may be software related though, I remember opening up an 888 acct and it have the same 1% reduction factor on max stake as my Blu Sq one

I queried it, saying they were two separate companies and couldn't share data protected personal info, 888 said they didn't share info, yet my max stake was identical with both firms

Big Boss it goes further than betting partners that take the same odds...

There is a massive swapping of usernames passwords and home details amongst the alleged "Bookmakers"...

I am comfortably off and may work again sometime as I must admit I have less money than a few years ago...

But what is happening is a disgrace and if Mr Haigh wants something to investigate then rather buddy up with Chancers then he should investigate Data Swapping amongst the thieves..

RANCID.

homefortea - I appreciate your advice on how I should spend my time.

For the record, I have a full time job, and in my spare time I choose to offer free help and advice to people with betting disputes.

I have had plenty of success in helping people obtain their winnings by persevering with cases even when you yourself have said I have no chance.

I respect your right to have an opinion, but I have no knowledge of data protection laws and so it's pointless me wasting my time on the project you suggest.

The fact that no punter can get a bet on should concern an alleged crusader.

You waste your time backing up chancers and idiots and ignore the bigger picture.

Perhaps you should take a long stare in the mirror...

I have never claimed to be a crusader, far from it.

I consider my time well spent, and so do those who have received their money even after IBAS have ruled against them.

I have no need to stare in the mirror, I am very comfortable with who I am and how I choose to live my life thank you.

Hommie

Dementia is a horrible disease

Paul, please ignore him.


you are one of the good guys.

I'm delighted to report that this bet has finally been paid in full.

IBAS were not involved.

When I had the tri-cast in miss world a few years back, all i was told was that there were two big reasons they couldn't pay me. can't remember what they were.

Its quite funny watching a half wit like homefortea trawling threads looking for attention,hasnt the brains to be original even,just another twoapenny troll

Great work again Paul

Well done Paul.

Keep up the good work Paul!

What made them decide to pay, after 6 Months?

westrat, the 2/1 sweden was one of freds pushes (11/8 to 2/1 £100 max bet singles only), I remember it well as it was 2.6 to lay on here and all the arbers where running all the shops is towns.

well done Paul on getting cash, but would be freds side here to be honest, says on about 4 screens the freds pushes are win only

lets hope the cashier recieved extra training, and not dismissed.

DOES IT SAY  WIN SINGLES ONLY...OR JUST WIN ONLY

Well done on getting paid, but ..

Agree with Fashion Fever, if the punter tried to take the boosted price in the double they were either stupid, or more likely, trying it on.

Either way, should not be paid and there are probably many more deserving cases of help.

Do The T AND C's say win singles only?  if not then the price can be used in multiples , end of

well done paul.i think the onus should be on the staff on the issue of whether or not a bet should have been accepted.its unreasonable to expect customers to be aware of every single rule and clause that the bald scammer has in place.especially as rules may also vary from one firm to another.should punters be forced to go on courses to make sure they are up to speed on the rules on every firm??? no ofcourse they shouldnt,the bloody staff should be trained properly!!!

Or the terms and conditions should be clearly understandable and prominently displayed. There's far too much advertising con going on in many walks of life.

A simple question for fred.

If the bet had been written:

Horse name £100 win.

Any to come, ALL ON Sweden to win Eurovision.

Then it would have been 2 singles and unless it oversteps the Max payout as stated in fred's rules for novelty/entertainment bets - in which case there would be change from the horse and the rest going on to the song - then it would be treated as 2 singles, wouldn't it?

Therefore, there should be no issue with the double. Not that there should anyway.

common sense has prevailed, well done Paul (again)

well said eoptimist

nightfly go in freds on a saturday 9.30am for the bonus hour

freds normally in the studio he pushes horses usually favs on channel 4 and any big events what maybe on television

fred asks his traders in this instance what price are we sweden for the ESC, the trader would say 11/8 fred says right we will go 2/1 for a maximum of £100, then the trader will put up a price comparison chart, and fred will slag the opposition as PP going a brave 5/4, laddys youll be lucky to get a tenner on etc etc, why would you want to bet anywhere else.

on the price comparision caption screen it clearly says win and single only at the bottom, which is clearly displayed on screens in shop.

if you want a double you would have to take 11/8 sweden the pre push price and the horse what was placed in the double pre push price.

the bet was accepted by the cashier by error for whatever reason, fred liable for his cashiers so therefore coughed up.

fashion,agree with everything you said apart from the last sentence.from what ive seen over the the last 20 yrs or so the high st bookies take no responsibility for any errors their cashiers make.

Well done Paul, excellent work !


Homme, your arrogance/stupidity knows no bounds !   

Some of his pushes are singles only. But every Saturday when Fred pushes the horses out someone in the studio will say something about putting them all in a Yankee for a great return.

Read on here that a betting slip is a law abiding contract between punter and bookie when accepted, It will come under statuary law thou and requires consent from both sides, if punter accepts winnings therefore its end of the contract, as far as the bookmaker is concerned, and you have given your consent required under statuary law by accpepting your winnings 90% of punters will probably accept winnings after a short argument, walk out the shop muttering swear words to themselves if the punter believes his winnings are short. By not accepting winnings you are not giving your consent to the contract, I suspect any cases like this case went to IBAS/small claims then a bookmaker would be liable for employee mistakes and the punter gets paid, i doubt its something the bookmakers want you to know however.

Fooking hell, H4T wrote that nearly six months! It only takes about six minutes to suss him out.

WELL IF FRED TREATED HIS EMPLOYEES AS VALUABLE MEMBERS OF HIS STAFF RATHER THAN MINIMUM WAGE FODDER...THEN YOU MIGHT GET MORE ENFRANCHISED STAFF...THAT ALWAYS GET IT IN THE NECK..WHEN PAYMESTERS ARE PILING UP MEGA PROFITS AND PAYING THEIR SHOP FLOOR STAFF BUGGER ALL

Deffo the lowest payer's on the High Street, local manageress on £8 per hour ! 

... and ad's on tills (for staff) loan a ''grand'' and pay back £1,400 back over twelve months ! 

Despicable ''man'', and I use the word advisedly !

Fashion Fever-I'm guessing that the Eurovision song contest would
be singles only,regardless of the price.

Bets may be law abiding contracts,but part of that contract is
that all bets are subject to the company's T&C.

Probably the cashier already knew that the boosted price was 2/1
without having to check on the screen.Just forgot that it was
singles only.

... and ad's on tills (for staff) loan a ''grand'' and pay back £1,400 back over twelve months !  That really is  desperatley sick in 2015

That's Betfred for you.

Pay their staff the minimum and then offer them loans.

There is no-one on here that despises the bald knocker more than me..

However as some of the more insightful posters have pointed out it was a price push for singles only..


"Jack Hacksaw
Well done on getting paid, but ..

Agree with Fashion Fever, if the punter tried to take the boosted price in the double they were either stupid, or more likely, trying it on.

Either way, should not be paid and there are probably many more deserving cases of help."


In a World where it is impossible to get a bet accepted online due to the same "terms and conditions" that some on here claim should be disregarded when SINGLES ONLY MAX £100 is flashed across four screens there are people that think that Paul Haigh - total respect should be applauded for allegedly helping some chancer when millions of punters are "starving" due to an inability to get a bet on is staggering..

Those who are having a pop at me have bets accepted without a backward glance and you do not have to wonder why....

Incidentally when you pay your "managers" £8 an hour then you get what you pay for..

But ignorance is no defence.

is not a question of defence..How can you pay managers a pathetic £8 hour when you can pick litter of a racecourse for £10 an hour..The bookmaking industry is a disgrace..and hire and fire at will..they should all have their licenses revoked

giggitygiggity • May 29, 2015 9:45 AM BST
The issue is that most firms are singles only on TV/Novelty bets

hits the nail on the head here sadly

I am sure that the real Paul Haigh wherever he is would be appalled at the use of his name by someone who cannot see the bigger picture..

We have one thing to thank Paul Haigh for.

We now know that Betfred are very reluctant to
argue their case in court even when they seem
to have a strong defence.

They just seemed to have used the same tactics that
IBAS have done for years to discourage complaints
by making them wait months.

Paul Haigh---did you manage to get them to pay any extras
like courts expenses?

We are not talking about Paul Haigh you half-wit but a clueless Librarian that has nothing better to do....

I thought better of the bald knocker but it seems that he has paid the chancer his £75 rather than take it to Court

Good. PHTR provides a good service. But it's harder to endorse the Arber Agenda: it is unsustainable. Bookmakers would withdraw from pricing races. If you think it easy, try laying the field mid-morning on Betfair. Not best price, any price that's more or less reflective of a horse's chance. And you will lose.

Are you on prescription drugs or are they illegal unitedbiscuits...

I had the biggest bag of magic mushrooms a couple of weeks ago and yet they had no effect on me...

Why would anyone want to lay the field at any time

The punters best approach is that he can pick off what he considers a mistake and if he wants not have a bet for a couple of weeks

Who are these mythical arbers

The problem with doing it the way you suggest STUDYFORM is that you will be limited as to how much you can get on regarding the "second" leg of the "double" due to it not being a popular event betting wise.

I think most people know we aren't actually talking to Paul Haigh homefortea but how else is anyone supposed to address the poster then?

What would be better publicity for a bookmaker though, to pay out £75 when they didn't have to or not to pay it out? Surely the positive publicity still outweighs the considerable negative by not doing so?

The disputed amount was around £900.

Paul Haigh approves of my Username and what I do, for the record.

For the benefit of those who think all I do is help chancers get paid on bets they should know better than to place, I think you are missing the point.

The point is that IBAS, who are the industry approved ADS would find in favour of the bookmaker in many of these cases, yet the firms know that a court may well rule that the T&Cs they quote to deny full settlement may well be found to fall foul of contract law.

All IBAS do is say "it's in the firm's T&Cs so we rule in their favour", irrespective of whether those T&Cs are fair, or indeed lawful.

In my opinion, I am helping punters to understand that the law is in their favour in many cases, whereas IBAS most certainly aren't.

I will therefore continue doing what I do, even if if it makes homefortea physically ill, as he has suggested.

I will therefore continue doing what I do, even if if it makes homefortea physically ill, as he has suggested.


I would keep doing it for that reason only tbh, HFT seems a very sad poster who clearly just wants attention - and the only way of getting it is to make comments as rude/vile as possible imo..


Keep up the good work PHTR

Assuming he's not just on a wind up then don't be too harsh on homefortea, as he's a right-winger so it's just in their DNA to be like that.

Blaming him would be like blaming the greyhounds for chasing the hare, it's just what they tend to do.

"he's a right-winger so it's just in their DNA to be like that."

So let me get this straight there are people on here that are "socialists" who come on to give their money away..

Settled then.

In the meantime anyone with a brain cannot get a bet on with the alleged "bookmakers" who illegally trade details amongst themselves and put tracking devices into your computer so that they can access your betting, bank accounts and feck knows what else...

And paul haigh - total respect spends a lifetime defending some half-wit that has placed a bet involving a "push" on a novelty event that was clearly SINGLES ONLY for  "The disputed amount was around £900."...

The World has certainly gone mad....

Paul Haigh - total waste of space...

HFT - obnoxious ****

So the overworked fecker will work night and day to get a punter £900 and the rest of their practices go un-noticed...

I hate the bald con artist more than anyone but pick your battles...

wheres 1% when you need him/her

What's giving money away got to do with any individual being a socialist or not ffs? lol

As for those dubious practices the bookies indulge in homefortea, that's what happens in a largely unregulated free market, something that we've seen with the banks for example and remind me again who champions a free market economy and deregulation and expecting them to responsibly self-regulate? I don't think that's a socialist stance is it?

And unless you personally are going to do anything about the beefs you have with bookies, then why dig out anyone else helping others? We know your type are to self-centred to help others (hence my right-winger DNA comment) but you still feel comfortable enough to sneeringly try to denigrate anyone else who does.

Did you not get enough cuddles as a kid or something for you to be that bitter towards others?

Perhaps you got too many cuddles as a child (!) Ima in which case there will be a "charity" near you to help you get over it...

Seems like everyone is a victim and you may be top of the list..

Seek help please because you have nothing to offer on here...

Your ^ penchant for twisting the facts is legendary !


I'm beginning to think you're a female !   

homefortea = barrack room lawyer !   

Pity you didn't do National Service...  the Corporal's would of had a field day ! 

The ''Glass House'' and peeling spuds would of got rid of that pompous arrogance !

There is not a bookie in the land that would not want to take a win double over a win single.

So on the occasion they get copped, it is embarrassing to see them squirm

well done paul dont listen to the knockers, cant win with some people. I hate this forum sometimes

Fact remains that the bookies are arbiters of their own rules until IBAS is involved and they "go by the rules". I have yet to see Ibas say that a rule is unenforceable and hence punter wins. How many bets that would be voided if they turn out to be winners stay in bookies pockets because the punter thinks it is a loser.

But despite it all: would you put any bet on with Betwelch.Simple answer; do not go near this firm. (Personally, I think he is trying to recoup the losses he made when he paid out Man Utd as league winners when they ended up losing.)

halcyon I did six years as an Army Cadet and when we went on Annual Camp to Altcar peeling spuds would have been a pleasurable experience....

Fair play ! 

I can assure you homefortea I didn't get too many cuddles as a child but typical that you would think that of anyone with a half decent attitude towards others.

Oh and the irony of your last line above is so clearly lost on you when Paul Haigh - Total Respect is doing something helpful and considerate for his fellow punters and receives deserved praise for it from other posters, yet all you can do is bitterly post snide comments and then you come out with the beauty towards me by saying:

Seek help please because you have nothing to offer on here.

You really couldn't make it up.

You remind me of one of those sad people who gripe about animal lovers who donate their time and money for animals causes, where you respond by saying "Fcuk animals, what about children, why not give your time and money to them?" As if someone can only care about either or, whilst at the same time you probably give and do fcuk all for children yourself.

I bet Sweden once to win Eurovision song contest . a group called abba won it . I didn't get paid either

Imareallyamazed....

How you know anything about my "voluntary" Work really amazes me as I have just landed a job as CEO of a major "charity" that pays £140k per year for two days a week rehoming stray dogs that have suffered excessive abuse in Afghanistan.

And yet if it was true homefortea you'd probably still take the money whilst at the same time claiming the dogs deserved it.

iamareallyamazed..

IBAS are a fecking joke..

Paul Haigh - total respect is a fecking joke...

The time has come for some direct action against the alleged "bookmakers"....

^ how about... stop doing business with them ! ?....

I totally agree on IBAS, not so on Paul Haigh - total respect but please feel free to lead the way homefortit, or are you too busy sniping at others who at the very least are making the effort to do something positive about it?

ima you have been exposed as a serial sympathiser for the latest fad..

Leave it to the big boys and go off on your next one..

You must have the biggest inferiority complex ever...

Seek professional help once again...

Feck me Johnny has turned serial fantasist..

I was actually talking to bono yesterday and asked him why only £7.99 of every £79.99 charged for his wifes charity t-shirt was donated..

He looked at me over his sunglasses and said "expenses man" do you realise how much it costs me to fly the World...

"serving a life ban"....

Email the feckers you may have served your sentence and be allowed to post along with your good friend Johnny-talks sh ite...

I have to laugh at you homeforteat telling me I supposedly have the "biggest inferiority complex ever" when it's coming from someone like you who can't help but sneer at others actually doing some good, whilst at the same time not seeing much evidence of it coming from you. What's the matter, are you incapable of it or something?

You really couldn't make it up.

hft must surely be the most negative, obnoxious poster on here in a deep field moreover.

You would think with all the advice he gives others on here on what they SHOULD be doing with their time, he would take his own advice and do something about what hes preaching for.

Slate PHTR on here for not taking the books to task for not taking bets and trading personal details, yet does nothing himself about the same subjects.

Go on HFT - start the crusade........

Paul, PM sent.

That little tirade has certainly put me in my place...

I will actually cancel lunch with Roy Keane tomorrow and get something started...

You will be the first to know...

Buffoon.

This is what happens when a moron tries to sound intelligent,ladies and gents,homefortea!

THis is what happens when hft's carer doesn't turn up on time to change his nappy !

Is that the best that you freaks can do...

Feck me that is like being savaged by my Guinea Pig..

That reminds me she has not been fed yet.....

Best give her a couple of days food as I am testing the Space Shuttle with Sir Richard in the AM...

Where do they get them from...

Late Homefortea tonight ??

Actually yes 11k as have been around town and like to take it easy on a Thursday night as it is when all the trades come out for a drink around here..

If you want anything doing around the house deals can be struck...

Good thinking boss.

I actually had 28 new double glazed window panes fitted for £350 plus of course the cost of the windows..

I actually did a lot of the fetching and carrying and went with them to pick them up but that was a bargain..

Some of them were on the top floor and all done on a ladder at some massive angles..

Plus the gutters were cleaned and an old Sky dish removed..

It pays to get around and about...

Found anyone to clean the moat out

homefortea 19 Nov 15 23:15 Joined: 06 Sep 04 | Topic/replies: 12,040 | Blogger: homefortea's blog
I actually had 28 new double glazed window panes fitted for £350 plus of course the cost of the windows..

the local kids think you're a w4 nker and put them through?

Very perceptive of them.

homefortea...


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