that surely aint a runner

Starter didn't notice it! What a joke.

Jockey was kicking the horse in the belly when the tape went up

How did the starter let them go with 1 horse miles behind the pack

Under Starters Orders - starter didn`t see it

placepot fav

not sure what holt is on about i.e. refused to race...never given a chance.

any possibility it being a NR?

no chance

how can it be under orders 20 metres back

starter say the sun was in his eyes

will count as a runner because the race has started

Starter was to busy laying it off on his phone

FUKIN KUUNT

'cash out no longer available due to late withdrawal'

over 12k out the placepot

rp have said he refused to race....

Greg_Gory's   
"starter say the sun was in his eyes"

Sure as Foook Wasn`t his Hair

The starter should be stood down, bookmakers should return bets, what a disgrace.

Refused to race is the correct call, it was a runner.

channel 4 saying non-runner ... what was the rule 4 ?

Stop whinging, this is racing. mistakes happen. FFS.

As amateurish as it gets.  You can't come under starters orders if he doesnt see you.  If he pings the stalls without one loaded, its a NR.  See no difference here.

i feel fcukin robbed

he wont be deemed a non runner. but surely he was as he was being held by a third party at the start off

it's got to be a non runner....the horse was so far away the starter didn't see him so started the race (clear mistake on his part).

So

the horse was actually being held at the start of the race

Paid out here as a loser

He works for the system, they don't do mistakes, tar.

Hadnt thought about that - there is a NR rule about being held back by a handler.

So imagine the scenario that he does eventually get going albeit 40 lengths behind and goes on and wins or gets a place, is it still deemed to be a non runner? Improbable of course but to my eyes it's a runner.

correct yer ma, was used in the 90's when a horse in similar circumstances was held back at cartmel

Laddies are giving a Free Bet in Return.

Yeah runner alright but incompetence by the starter to let them off as they in theory should be in a line.

Skybet have returned my stake

you had too cross the tape at one time ffs.

I didnt back it nor did i lay it, far too high a price for me to be a layer also we all know the rules of racing, you places your bet you takes your chance, i've backed many in the past that have refused to race and ive done me doe and i will do it again, BUT all them that got all that money from bsp to 1000 how can you sleep at night knowing your a thief? Thats what makes me feel angry about situations like these!

I think some books will return stakes, but not this machine.

I'm not one to call every horse that doesn't start a non-runner but surely that should've been deemed such. The starter clearly didn't spot him until after he raised the flag. The horse was nowhere near the others and I know, everyone knows and the starter knows the thoughts that went through his head at that time............ "Oh F**k" He should've had the decency to put his hands up, admit his mistake and call Grand Gesture a non-runner.

& I didn't even back the horse!

because he was being held  by a third party ,. thats what makes this different from other cases,. even if they would look at the rules again because of this,.

You are kidding, the old farts at the Jockey Club live in the 19th Century.

b365 full refund all bets

When the starter dropped the flag, Grand Jesture had 1 man stood in front of him. The next second another man ran towards him. Given that situation the horse is not going to run forwards.

Should be asking Jonny and the handler wtf were you doing in the far corner and not moving forward with the rest..........

shows how the bha views punters if that is a starter

starter should be sacked

I expected to see the flag man out, as the horse was never in with a chance to race.

I think they still intended running the horse as they were annoyed that the starter let the field go before they had led the horse in, so I don't agree that the horse was being held back, but at the same time, it clearly never took any part in the race and was probably declared a runner just to pretend that the starter knew what he was doing, as racing regularly closes ranks after a coc up like this. 

It should definitely be a non runner as it was given no chance to run because of a pathetic starter.

In the balance of that is fairness, that was clearly a N/R  contemptious old farts put another nail in the game, Absolutely disgraceful .

all

Sward
Have you been refunded by 365?

I had 100ew and no sign of any refund in my account.

The horse was being held at a distance from the field - the handler is standing in front of the horse - By any understanding of the rules of fair play the horse should be deemed a non-runner - how can it not be when the horse is being hampered by an outside force - Anyone with big money on sue the course officials - cant see how you can lose - again!

Been credited now.

Are Ladbrokes refunding bets placed in their shops then?

I had a a fifty ew with a firm and they have paid me as a winner.....Couldnt be fairer than that....

not bad £9.75 for a knicker, , another knicker and you can join us £2 lions on here,

if your considering moving up a division he,s a tip for you,stick to your 50p ew but place it in 2 seperate shops that way you wont get restricted if your winning streak continues,

Ladbrokes are refunding bets on all channels as cash refund!

Apr 25, 2015 -- 5:04PM, 11kv wrote:

Should be asking Jonny and the handler wtf were you doing in the far corner and not moving forward with the rest..........

yes, no movement going on over that side, no serious pulling etc, it would have helped them get noticed.

agreed the handler should have been moving the horse forward when he saw the rest of the field walk towards the tape so that did look a bit strange that he wasn't leading the horse in at that stage.

Believe william hills offered a "free bet" over this incident ,with laddies+365 doing similar would suggest BEFORE and after this episode ,that online/phone gamblers use them
for the majority of their bets .

flat16 you are new here I guess..

I would suppose that your username refers to your Council Accommodation and they have also provided you with a computer...

There must be a job available for you in the UK as 250 000 new arrivals each year seem to find one.

If that rancid trio offered anyone with a brain a bet there would be three less "Bookmakers" taking bets in a week.

As usual ALL your guesses were wrong ,the key detail if you had read properly was gamblers ,who are
usually accommodated ,not arbers .
If your "perception" leads you to judge people by their username ,obviously shows your depth of intellect .

what should happened is that the starter admitted his error and it was deemed a non runner with deductions.

Issue over but the dinosaurs who run racing would rather we all laughed at them.

Flat16 must "work" in the Industry..

He is yet another that claims that all winners are arbers..

"Gamblers are usually accommodated not arbers"..

That fella is the usual way to punctuate not with a comma and an inability to make yourself clear..

You are a complete minimum wage half-wit that on a normal forum would not be allowed to post...

Get yourself a real job but if you live in Stoke that rancid mob will promote you to minimum wage plus a shilling very soon..

WHERE DO THEY GET THEM FROM...

Apr 26, 2015 -- 9:05PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:

what should happened is that the starter admitted his error and it was deemed a non runner with deductions.Issue over but the dinosaurs who run racing would rather we all laughed at them.

100% accurate!

what should happened is that the starter admitted his error and it was deemed a non runner with deductions.

Indeed, but some of them are far too arrogant to allow that to happen. The BHA quick to blame jockeys for messing up starts, but some of these starters seem to get a free pass. The one at Southwell last Friday is one that springs to mind, one race in particular where he lets them go whilst they're spread all over the track, and one almost stood sideways.