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10 Apr 15 11:46
Date Joined: 03 Aug 07
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Confused given that martin is still "hanging around'
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Report lead on April 10, 2015 11:50 AM BST
maybe that's why
Report timeless April 10, 2015 11:53 AM BST
other than winning the odd grand national and the odd festival winner here and there, he has been real disappointing Crazy
Report triumphoragony April 10, 2015 11:57 AM BST
The amount of. Horses that martin used to train that had 111111111111111 in their form was unreal.
Report timeless April 10, 2015 11:59 AM BST
times were different (nap)
Report triumphoragony April 10, 2015 12:00 PM BST
Confused. Not as much attention drawn to methods...
Report racingguru April 10, 2015 12:03 PM BST
Martin was a pioneer, other trainers copied his methods............end of story.
Report onlooker April 10, 2015 12:24 PM BST
^ Oh that it were so simple.
Report snorlax April 10, 2015 12:39 PM BST
Ask Philip Fenton
Report teedoubleu April 10, 2015 12:49 PM BST
I vaguely remember him getting a horse with a row of duck eggs to his name and that horse was in his stable for something like ten days and hey presto won by half the track, not normal I think is the term they use in cycling.
Report Swardean April 10, 2015 12:55 PM BST
IMO, I would say there are very few better at lining one up for a handicap.
Report Princes Purple Guitar April 10, 2015 12:56 PM BST
will have a good day today imo
Report timeless April 10, 2015 12:56 PM BST
yes, it was not normal to test the horse's blood regularly back then,

but then it's easier to cast doubts when it involves maybe spending a bit of money on their own (other trainers) operations at the time !
Report Swardean April 10, 2015 1:03 PM BST
PPG, I hope so starting with Del Arca 16/1 ew
Report giggitygiggity April 10, 2015 1:11 PM BST
Not bad season to be fair..only 5 winners less than Nicholls and above the 20% strike rate benchmark.

Ive backed Ainsi Fideles and Monetaire so hopefully he has good day
Report ph. April 10, 2015 1:48 PM BST
tbf I think David is more precocious, plenty of winners at a younger age
Report sidthekid April 10, 2015 3:50 PM BST
I remember a Top Jock telling me about an old that Chaser went To Pipeys late in life, with its south country Trainer it was difficult to get him running into his bridle, it Won once a year,
With Pipey it Took off from the start and won about 6 from 8,
Magic Carrots!.
Report mange April 10, 2015 3:56 PM BST
snorlax Grin
Report posy April 10, 2015 4:00 PM BST
Personally thought Martin was a great trainer who for a few years was streets ahead of anyone else. Considering David took over from a master and had everything to lose he too has performed very well and is also an excellent trainer.
Report mange April 10, 2015 4:04 PM BST
They usted to lead all the way get caught & go away again........

I was more into pro cycling those days...........
Report onlooker April 10, 2015 4:41 PM BST
True posy - BUT ...

NO other trainer has been able to get horseS to regularly 'run through brick walls' - through the PAIN BARRIER - and ALL level of OFTEN AWFUL beasts, aswell.

Similarly to an example that has been posted above - I spent hours trying to assimilate how he had got hold of one particularly BAD Selling Hurdler - with a record of 'falling out of the back of the television' more often that it managed to finish in mi-field, even.

Then it turned up at Martin's ....

Inside 10 days it 'made all, won hard held' - and went on to rattle up a hat-trick, or the usual 5-timer.

That was not not the only example - It quite simply defied ANY logic - and 'beggared belief' ...

Report louisone April 10, 2015 5:41 PM BST
the trouble is his jockey old skidmore is a useless article all the socalled top jocks drop to the rear and thinks its clever to play a waiting game and try to look as if it was a good ride, they canter to the last and then go arse over tit instead of getting slated by the pundits they say it was unlucky, twits
Report stewarts rise April 10, 2015 5:42 PM BST
David doesn't want Roger Cook coming round for tea imo, would eat him out of house and home!
Report billybongo April 10, 2015 5:43 PM BST
less juice imo
Report Dr Crippen April 10, 2015 5:52 PM BST
Perhaps David isn't as ambitious as his father.

What's the point?
Report verbotene liebe April 10, 2015 5:54 PM BST
Shooting Light, on his first run for MC Pipe, winning the 13 runner Host Partnership Chase on October 31 2001 was visually the easiest winner of such a contest that you could ever possibly see - the RP race reader comments say ' soon clear impressive'  but even that fails by a long way to convey the ease with which the horse won with.
Report gutfeeling April 10, 2015 6:07 PM BST
Martin was a cross between Howard Johnson & Philip Fenton but he could sure pick the right races for his horses.
Report ima_mazed66 April 10, 2015 6:21 PM BST
The significance of David Johnson's involvement in both of their careers will have had a bearing, adding to that the fact that Pipe Jr took over at a time when trainers like Paul Nicholls was fully established.
Report Ramruma April 10, 2015 6:24 PM BST
OP begs the question: has David been less successful than Martin, and by what criteria?

Here are the numbers of Graded races won per year.

winners year trainer
8 96 Martin
3 97 Martin
8 98 Martin
11 99 Martin
7 00 Martin
10 01 Martin
16 02 Martin
12 03 Martin
19 04 Martin
10 05 Martin
6 06 Martin
1 06 David
7 07 David
8 08 David
6 09 David
5 10 David
6 11 David
4 12 David
7 13 David
6 14 David
2 15 David
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