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Desperately poor quality level in the last couple of years .
The field were going sideways at the last , just like the Gold Cup.
The field were going sideways at the last , just like the Gold Cup.
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3 mile chasers is a an extremely weak division, a novice could win the GC
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Looked like Bobs worth was just out for the run the way it was ridden..
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If you didn't already know, the Gold Cup, takes alot out of a horse, unless they are real quality winners.
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Easy when most the field aren't trying to win.To think it was a grade 1 race as well
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Bobs Worth probably needs a lot further than 3miles now.
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personally i thinks bobs worths best days could well be behind him
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The thing I am starting to learn is when there aren't any truly top class horses in the division, the handicappers and the slowboats more often than not get involved and the form gets turned upside down all the time.
Now take nothing away from Road to Riches who is more than a handicapper now but he started the season with that kind of profile (didn't stand out as a novice, running in a Galway Plate in July). Sam Winner is probably somewhere round G3 level and On His Own no offence intended is only a handicapper. So all in all it's very hard to quanitfy these staying chases. Silviniaco Conti looks the best around, Road to Riches is a massive improver, Bobs Worth is looking like he mioght have regressed, Lord Windermere - one hit wonder maybe? |
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Is Lord Windermere the kind who comes alive at Chelters perhaps? Especially given he won the RSA too.
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maybe stilian you dont win a Gold Cup by been a 'one hit winner'.
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Hope he comes 2nd last at cheltenham too he was blatant non trier today last all the way round made no effort to win.
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Shows too how good a horse Best Mate was.
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ran the same race in gold cup never going
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indeed stilian many never quite understood that fact for some reason.
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on his own jumped right handed all the way today, i think it cost him the win, he should run a big race in gold cup again
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bobs worth was very poor, never near and never interested, makes mistakes and the late runs seem a million miles away these days
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Another good contribution from you Howdi .... smart fellow ..... 2 hours ago you gave up posting
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Today's race is a completely different test to the Gold Cup...
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considering his injury and the difference between his 1st 2 runs last year,the way he came home from the last today i wouldnt be given up just yet on bobs worth especialy given the yards form,bg was never given it a really hard time today which is what the horse needs
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Many view Leopardstown as a good indicator of Chelt form. Left handed, fast draining and with a longish, uphill run in. Probably the most similar track to Chelt that Ireland has to offer.
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Bobs Worth would need a far stiffer test of stamina than today's race to show his best form, imho...
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^ to millhouse
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Glossy, I was thinking more about the longer trip and the undulations - most Gold Cups turn into absolute wars of attrition, which obviously suits some horses more than others...
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Fair enough. R2R wasn't stopping though!
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I agree with you - he's got a great profile for the race, imo.
Actually, having checked previous winners, this race has been quite a good guide for the Gold Cup - Imperial Call, Best Mate, Denman, Synchronised, Bobs Worth have all won it (though not all in the same year as they won the Gold Cup)... |
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I think something like 13 of the last 14 GC winners ran in either the Lexus or King George. The GC winner almost certainly ran in the last 2 days
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road to riches 11.5 and 11 antepost, seems pretty generous really
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Even with the unanswered questions about track and extended trip, for a multiple Grade One winner, on a roll, that's just beaten the last two Gold Cup winners, and last year's second, 10-1 is a great price, imho...
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Agree that quality in the division is not great. R2R very impressive, will be even better on better ground (was tacky as today). Other will improve more IMO - Too hard on Lord and Bobs - 12 lengths separating them from winner at this time of year...
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that ground didn't suit many of them including the winner
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Bobs had plenty of hard races, maybe hes had enough?? we will find out next time he runs I should think
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Good horse 2 years ago should be retired after gold cup even if he wins.
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12 lengths is a long way to be beaten? but i think bobs and LW were definitely running today with one eye on the gold cup and not todays prize
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The BF SP would have you wrong
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12 lengths on that ground - Wouldn't think so IMO. Not entirely sure Bobs is what he was, but wouldn't knock him for that performance today. He came on a lot from his first run to the Lexus last year and would expect to see him next in Chelters now.
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SP? do you mean antepost odds? i agree both are huge odds especially as previous CD gold cup winners and still in prime age?
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Exercise gallop.
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novice will take the GC
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I'd wager a large sum on a novice not winning the GC! Which novice(s) do you have in mind?
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'I think something like 13 of the last 14 GC winners ran in either the Lexus or King George. The GC winner almost certainly ran in the last 2 days'
add to that since The Fellow won in 1994 every Cheltenham Gold Cup bar two has been won by the reigning champ or a newcomer to the race.Only Kauto Star (2nd to Denman 08)and See More Business (carried out 98)have defied this stat. i'll take Dynaste to do an Imperial Commander and follow up his Ryanair win last season |