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feels like a winner i had 600 on the 2nd.
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i kept asking, does anyone know anything about it.........not a peep.
sometimes your walking round "lucky" and dont even know it "let it ride"
Nov 25, 2014 -- 1:52PM, jmdc wrote:
All settled
will resettle
why has it taken so long, why didn't they announce a stewards straight away.??
The prat has devoted the whole afternoon to Jim Crowley.
duffy they did except the specialist racing channel didn't elude to what it was all about
der_der_73
25 Nov 14 13:51
feels like a winner i had 600 on the 2nd.
£600 or £6
25 Nov 14 13:51
feels like a winner i had 600 on the 2nd.
£600 or £6
After Betfair take my winnings back off of me I'll look forward to them weighing me out on court by surprise getting the badger beer.!!
just after they passed the post, in that case, why did betfair settle.?
Nov 25, 2014 -- 2:01PM, xmoneyx wrote:
der_der_73 25 Nov 14 13:51 feels like a winner i had 600 on the 2nd.£600 or £6
600, you jealous? Just cos you might bet pounds don't have a go at people that bet more.
I backed the winner.....no withdrawal from my winnings???
Hope the flag man responsible gets trampled on by lots of horses during the afternoon
some draconian rule no doubt that made no difference to the result
Anyone know why voided - BF gave me my £30 back so well happy but all seems a bit of a mystery?
wrong flag waved yellow flag instead off check wtf
yellow flag used to bypass a fence
yellow flag indicates race is being brought to a halt
yellow flag indicates race is being brought to a halt
Hold on - now they've taken it back again. WTF is going on?????
guy on course showed yellow flag instead of checked flag to miss jump
my statement says it's fixed but it ain't showing in my balance 
had winner betfair taken my win money whers the christmas spirit
BF have now taken the £30 back again - what is happening out there?
surely the jockeys will be banned as well for not pulling up 
was just going to post that WB, blame them for not stopping
even though they had no reason to stop
thats why they pay the big bucks to run the sport
thats why they pay the big bucks to run the sport
Main acct showed £30 given back and acct statement says "FIX", then the £30 disappears again from Main acct. Bizarre!!
All the jockeys will have to be suspended for breaking the rules of racing.
2014 and in Britain we use 'technology' that went out with the first World war.
Flags and whistles ffs!
Flags and whistles ffs!
betfair have volded race but winners sportbook honerered nice but mine was on the exchange whats the difference 31 pound to oap would be nice
I kept wondering where my other money came from, backed Apache Pilot obviously it lost and kept thinking where the extra money came from, a bit disgusting tbh imo, the race should stand, and that;s coming from someone who lost on the race, I feel for the fellows that backed the winner.
2014 and in Britain we use 'technology' that went out with the first World war.
Flags and whistles ffs!
This is what happens when you still have dinosaurs running the show, every other country pi ss themselves about our shower, we need these idiots sacked and bring in fresh faces who will actually bring the game forward in this country
Flags and whistles ffs!
This is what happens when you still have dinosaurs running the show, every other country pi ss themselves about our shower, we need these idiots sacked and bring in fresh faces who will actually bring the game forward in this country
Same with Football
Like I say its clowns in suits who don't have a fu cking clue about the sport, it needs to be run by the fans imho, people with genuine passion for the game and who want to see it thrive.
Like I say its clowns in suits who don't have a fu cking clue about the sport, it needs to be run by the fans imho, people with genuine passion for the game and who want to see it thrive.
These idiots running the game are the same sort of idiots that run the banks and that's the scary part.
I think you'll find they are the bankers less bright brothers.
So he waved a flag which signified, stop the race, which he never intended anyway....and the jocks ignored him anyway....where's the harm.
has amy bookies paid out on the 'winner' goodwill style?
winning trainer Richard Ford said: "It is quite a bizarre set of circumstances, but surely it didn't affect the result.
"The stewards are guided by the rules. As I understand it the fence was bypassed because of low sun and a chequered flag should have been raised.
"The flagman actually waved a yellow flag - which means stop the race - by mistake, but because of the low sun the jockeys couldn't really tell which flag he was waving anyway.
"He waved the correct flag on the second circuit but they all carried on and the result was in no way affected.
"They've run three and a half miles in heavy ground so it's not as if these horses run tomorrow and mine is a quirky devil so I was delighted he won.
"I'm disappointed for his owner because it is the not the fault of the jockeys. As I understand it all the jockeys are getting 10-day bans, too.
"It seems very harsh but those are the rules, and the stewards on track, Robert Earnshaw and Alan Dempsey, are bound by them.
in a race with 6 conditionals and mcalister, I'm afraid bans for them was 1.01
if the same race was mccoy, walsh, geraghty, johnson, fehily, maguire, twiston-davies I guarantee that they would have got off without any punishment
"The stewards are guided by the rules. As I understand it the fence was bypassed because of low sun and a chequered flag should have been raised.
"The flagman actually waved a yellow flag - which means stop the race - by mistake, but because of the low sun the jockeys couldn't really tell which flag he was waving anyway.
"He waved the correct flag on the second circuit but they all carried on and the result was in no way affected.
"They've run three and a half miles in heavy ground so it's not as if these horses run tomorrow and mine is a quirky devil so I was delighted he won.
"I'm disappointed for his owner because it is the not the fault of the jockeys. As I understand it all the jockeys are getting 10-day bans, too.
"It seems very harsh but those are the rules, and the stewards on track, Robert Earnshaw and Alan Dempsey, are bound by them.
in a race with 6 conditionals and mcalister, I'm afraid bans for them was 1.01
if the same race was mccoy, walsh, geraghty, johnson, fehily, maguire, twiston-davies I guarantee that they would have got off without any punishment
It seems that as long as those above do not take responsibility in this sport then it's ok.
Recently we have had wrong distance for races, Badger Beer entry fiasco, heaven knows how many going descriptions that are wrong and now this.
Jockeys will surely appeal and get the bans turned over.
As for the owner and trainer they lose out when it had nothing to do with them.
Will the winner go up in the weights?
Really is time for centralised stewarding and a change of rules.
Recently we have had wrong distance for races, Badger Beer entry fiasco, heaven knows how many going descriptions that are wrong and now this.
Jockeys will surely appeal and get the bans turned over.
As for the owner and trainer they lose out when it had nothing to do with them.
Will the winner go up in the weights?
Really is time for centralised stewarding and a change of rules.
"The flagman actually waved a yellow flag - which means stop the race - by mistake, but because of the low sun the jockeys couldn't really tell which flag he was waving anyway.
Which means this well thought out method of communicating with jockeys is somewhat flawed,a blind jockey on a galloping horse indeed.
I propose the much maligned whistle is employed,...
One blast for ''make it LOOK like you're trying''.
Two blasts for ''bypass next fence''.
Three blasts for ''slow down,the one the stewards are on is out the back''
And four blasts for ''jump ship! race void!''
As they say in football ''play to the whistle''.
I'm assuming jockeys can count to four.
All Nations will be in awe of how far we have advanced.
Which means this well thought out method of communicating with jockeys is somewhat flawed,a blind jockey on a galloping horse indeed.
I propose the much maligned whistle is employed,...
One blast for ''make it LOOK like you're trying''.
Two blasts for ''bypass next fence''.
Three blasts for ''slow down,the one the stewards are on is out the back''
And four blasts for ''jump ship! race void!''
As they say in football ''play to the whistle''.
I'm assuming jockeys can count to four.
All Nations will be in awe of how far we have advanced.
Nov 25, 2014 -- 4:51PM, Steamship wrote:
It seems that as long as those above do not take responsibility in this sport then it's ok.Recently we have had wrong distance for races, Badger Beer entry fiasco, heaven knows how many going descriptions that are wrong and now this.Jockeys will surely appeal and get the bans turned over.As for the owner and trainer they lose out when it had nothing to do with them.Will the winner go up in the weights?Really is time for centralised stewarding and a change of rules.
You missed the horse thrown out before the start the other week because of an incorrectly declared head gear.
In my lunchbreak I popped into Corals and had a tenner on the winner and I handed my slip in and the guy says there's a stewards I said Oh ok, he muttered something about first past the post & paid me £50 and I left.....just come in and saw void race..............can they ask for it back if I go in tmoz?
They can ask but they won't. only badblokes not paying out on FPP
Nov 25, 2014 -- 6:15PM, parispike wrote:
They can ask but they won't. only badblokes not paying out on FPP
Laddies pay 1st past the post every race bud. 
I layed the 2nd, waspaid up butmoney was taken back off me. 
I might have a day out at Wetherby tomorrow put a huge bet on the first fav go and stand by the last and if its not 5 lengths clear coming to it put on my doctors coat and wave my yellow flag furiously
Not a bad idea but, if the jockeys cant see because of low sun then the race should be voided anyway. If the ctiteria for the race is 3m3f chase and 24 fences to jump, then that is what it is. There should be no taking fences out as the race doesn't reach the criteria anymore and is therefor void. Let us see if the useless racecourses try and resolve the problem so this kind of thing never happens again, I mean, how difficult can it be? A low sun should be in the same place every time and the horse's and jockey's safety is paramount.
FPP a poor effort on my part; this is not a FPP situation actually. This is a void race; I believe Badblokes the only "big" bookmaker not paying out on the winner I believe.
I'm in there every day, and they keep drumming it into you that it's 1st past the post payout on every race. I doesn't get any simpler than that bud.
I'm sure they do but this isn't that situation. This is a void race situation; somewhat different.
marq..... they definately dont pay FPP if taking the wrong course or weighing in light or not weighing in.
There should be no excusses really as 1st pp is 1st pp. I'll be in ther for a change 2moro and ask them.
and ask them.
but really think about it, horse loses the weight cloth and runs most of the race with 10lbs less in the saddle and wins, you would expect to get paid because they are FPP. horse takes the wrong course runs a furlong less than the rest, wins, would you expect to get paid.
in fairness doesnt happen often but has happened and none of the FPP bookmakers paid and why would they
in fairness doesnt happen often but has happened and none of the FPP bookmakers paid and why would they
In hindsight, surely if I bet the winner and the stewards enquiry was anounced then I'd just go to the counter and pick up. They cant argue with you at the time as they pay 1stpp. The enquiry went on for about 35 mins so surely some people have been paid out. I seen other people picking up on other races before the result of a stewards enquiry was announced.
no doubt loads will have been paid out before the result was official but my point is, that isnt their rule on FPP it doesnt cover all scenarios
Hills system doesnt recognise your slip as a winner until the enquiry is finished, even though they are also FPP
been in touch with betfair refuse to pay out are betfair fptp or not was on exchange seems not if i was on sportsbook would have been paid
oc if your not on a fishing trip, only on sportsbook,
A bit boring but if someone has 5 mins spare to read these rules regarding the total distances market from Joke orrals I'd appreciate their interpretation re Sedgefield today (bold bit being the key)
23.11 Aggregate Winning Distance Betting
23.11.1 The following rules apply to this market:
•bets are placed on the aggregate of the winning distances from one race meeting;
•if the winning distance is under one length the following numerical values will apply:
•Nose = 0.05
•Short-Head = 0.1
•Head = 0.2
•Quarter of a length = 0.25
•Neck = 0.3
•Half a length = 0.5
•Three quarters of a length = 0.75
•the maximum distance for any one race is 12 lengths for a flat race and 30 lengths for a National Hunt race, which includes National Hunt flat races;
•in the event of a walkover the following distances will apply: ◦12 lengths for National Hunt races, including National Hunt flat races;
◦5 lengths for flat races.
•in the event of only one horse finishing in a race then the following distances will apply: ◦30 lengths for a National Hunt race, including National Hunt flat races;
◦12 lengths for a flat race.
•all distance bets will be settled on the original distance recorded by the winner who was first past the post. However, if a horse has taken the wrong course it will be ignored for distance betting and the aggregate winning distance will then be calculated between the first two runners past the post who have taken the correct course;
•Bets will be declared void if all the races on that card are not completed. However, all bets will stand so long as the aggregate distance at the time of the last completed race is already "over".
I am in conversation at the moment arguing that my bets should be voided in this market. They say no.
23.11 Aggregate Winning Distance Betting
23.11.1 The following rules apply to this market:
•bets are placed on the aggregate of the winning distances from one race meeting;
•if the winning distance is under one length the following numerical values will apply:
•Nose = 0.05
•Short-Head = 0.1
•Head = 0.2
•Quarter of a length = 0.25
•Neck = 0.3
•Half a length = 0.5
•Three quarters of a length = 0.75
•the maximum distance for any one race is 12 lengths for a flat race and 30 lengths for a National Hunt race, which includes National Hunt flat races;
•in the event of a walkover the following distances will apply: ◦12 lengths for National Hunt races, including National Hunt flat races;
◦5 lengths for flat races.
•in the event of only one horse finishing in a race then the following distances will apply: ◦30 lengths for a National Hunt race, including National Hunt flat races;
◦12 lengths for a flat race.
•all distance bets will be settled on the original distance recorded by the winner who was first past the post. However, if a horse has taken the wrong course it will be ignored for distance betting and the aggregate winning distance will then be calculated between the first two runners past the post who have taken the correct course;
•Bets will be declared void if all the races on that card are not completed. However, all bets will stand so long as the aggregate distance at the time of the last completed race is already "over".
I am in conversation at the moment arguing that my bets should be voided in this market. They say no.
That's how I read it. My bets would have lost if result had stood by the way but that's not the point.
What makes it stranger is they have settled that race as '6 lengths'. Where on earth does it say that in the rules?
What makes it stranger is they have settled that race as '6 lengths'. Where on earth does it say that in the rules?
only thing i can think, is that it was impossible to be overs regardless of that result but the rule doesnt read that way to me. presuming you bet overs
2 bets, 34 to 52 and over 52. Miles away!!
It was only 13.5 with the 6 'legal races'.
The last line reads to me that if after the last race the distances made up to over 52 without the void race then all bets stand, otherwise all void
It was only 13.5 with the 6 'legal races'.
The last line reads to me that if after the last race the distances made up to over 52 without the void race then all bets stand, otherwise all void
Although not clear I'd assume the reference to "over" means the bet isn't voided unless the aggregate already totals more than the quoted "over" figure - I've highlighted "already" because the only meaning of it must be that the over figure has been reached by the time the voided race is run.
As the voided race was relatively early in the card I'd assume that the "over" distance had not been reached in which case it's a clear void bet.
Ask them what else the term means if they continue to dispute,
HTH
As the voided race was relatively early in the card I'd assume that the "over" distance had not been reached in which case it's a clear void bet.
Ask them what else the term means if they continue to dispute,
HTH
Further thoughts
Bets will be declared void if all the races on that card are not completed.
That's the starting point,
The exception is
However, all bets will stand so long as the aggregate distance at the time of the last completed race is already "over"
Last completed race must refer to the last completed race before the voided one otherwise it makes no sense. Essentially it's there to prevent inequity when the bet has already won or lost prior to the voided race.
Bets will be declared void if all the races on that card are not completed.
That's the starting point,
The exception is
However, all bets will stand so long as the aggregate distance at the time of the last completed race is already "over"
Last completed race must refer to the last completed race before the voided one otherwise it makes no sense. Essentially it's there to prevent inequity when the bet has already won or lost prior to the voided race.
i think your right with the last post PP, that makes a bit of sense but its not paticularly well worded.
I don't believe that ruling takes into account a "void" race with more races to follow. More likely an abandonment of a card
Although:
Bets will be declared void if all the races on that card are not completed.
Seems pretty clear
Bets will be declared void if all the races on that card are not completed.
Seems pretty clear
f) If a meeting has 3 or more races abandoned or declared
void, then all bets will be void unless a winning market has
already been established, in which case bets will stand.
When only 1 or 2 races are abandoned or declared void,
then bets will be settled with a default distance used for
each abandoned or void race: 2 lengths for a flat race
and 10 lengths for a national hunt race.
Hills ruling a bit more straight forward
void, then all bets will be void unless a winning market has
already been established, in which case bets will stand.
When only 1 or 2 races are abandoned or declared void,
then bets will be settled with a default distance used for
each abandoned or void race: 2 lengths for a flat race
and 10 lengths for a national hunt race.
Hills ruling a bit more straight forward
thanks for your time everyone. I'll keep trying with them and see how I go.
OP Does your username refer to the potman in the Farmer's Arms?
My laddies confirmed that as a good will gesture, the winner will be paid out on singles and multiples @ 4/1.
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