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Report wondersobright November 10, 2014 3:33 PM GMT
there's a lot to be said for better the devil you know
wouldn't trust any of these internet only w@nkers not regulated in the UK, you play at your peril
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 3:50 PM GMT
Spot on,Wonder.
If it looks too good to be true it usually is.
Report onlooker November 10, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
^ Perhaps a copy of that email - (to, and from IBAS) - should be sent to the Cheltenham Executive - and the British Horseracing Authority  -

- because it is a 1.01 that they will be blissfully UNAWARE of such scenarios - amongst the many other complaints.
Report onlooker November 10, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
^ the email - from the bottom of page 1 -

brought back here - as why should it drop off the current/latest page of the thread.
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WFT     10 Nov 14 12:07 

Licensed in malta, not a member of IBAS

and yet their terms and conditions say


"14.2 Alternative Dispute Resolution

The current balance and transaction history of your account may be viewed at any time. Should there be any claim or dispute arising from past or current transactions please contact us, as per the process outlined in clause 11.7. If we are unable to settle the dispute, we will refer the matter to an arbiter, such as IBAS, whose decision will be final subject to full representation given to all parties involved."

I sent an e-mail to IBAS asking if Betway were registered....
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Their reply.........

"Dear Mr XXXXXXXXXX         

I  can confirm that the operator, Betway, are not presently registered
with this Service
which determines that we would not be able to offer
you adjudication in your dispute. However we will be contacting the
company to see why they advise clients to contact us when they are not
part of our register.


In the meantime you would have to contact the regulatory body, who I
believe to be Maltese Lotteries and Gaming Authority - which licenses
and regulates the operator.  Details should be accessible on the
company's website.

I am genuinely sorry we can be of no assistance in this matter.

Regards

Danny Cracknell
Adjudication Manager
IBAS "

It would seem Betway lie about a number of things, and, in my opinion, this emphasizes all that's wrong with the betting industry in this country. How they're allowed to sponsor one of our major races, is simply a disgrace.
Report Big Boss November 10, 2014 4:24 PM GMT
we will refer the matter to an arbiter, such as IBAS

does the word SUCH mean any arbiter, not just IBAS ?
Report WFT November 10, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
I read on another source, that in Betway's conditions they will close your account, and keep the balance, if they DEEM that you are an arber !

They don't need proof, they just need to "deem" !

If I had an account with them with a substantial balance, I'd be worried, very worried given that it's virtually impossible to get your balance paid back to you.
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 6:49 PM GMT
Amazingly,pricks on here who must have read sendintheclowns original warning months ago decided to  ignore it.
Report WFT November 10, 2014 6:57 PM GMT
pricks on here

Only one prick that I can see.
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 7:10 PM GMT
You must be referring to the OP.
Most uncharitable,imo.
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 7:19 PM GMT
"If I had an account with them with a substantial balance, I'd be worried"



ROFFL
Report WFT November 10, 2014 7:41 PM GMT
racingstar, instead of trying, and failing, to be clever, if you did a little bit of research, you might see that there's quite a few people with substantial balances, that have trouble taking their money out.

It might not be substantial to you, but then again you do know it all, it would seem.

Now, why don't you leave this thread to grown-ups, who are trying to warn people about Betway, rather than calling people "pricks" for the sin of having opened an account with them.
Report WFT November 10, 2014 7:43 PM GMT
Here's an example of someone who can't withdraw their £9500.

Is that substantial enough for you ?


http://thepogg.com/complaint/betway-9-5k-confiscated/
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 7:51 PM GMT
WFT,
The only thing that surprises me is that anybody would bet with the "two bob flimpers" in the first place.
Sendintheclowns posted a warning regarding this shower of craphouses months ago.
Despite this,HFT and many others thought that they knew better.
They didn't.
As for £9,500,I keep considerably more than that here and only for In Running purposes.
Does this help you?
Report rmccarthy16 November 10, 2014 7:52 PM GMT
racingstar is the biggest prat on here, how did laying jonjos go today? the only way you've been banned from the books isn't because your a brilliant punter probably more like you self excludedHappy
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
McCarthy,
Feel free to bring up any post where I suggested doing so,you utter prick.
Report rmccarthy16 November 10, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
p.s you sound like a very bitter person, the need to gloat at every juncture, tut tutHappy
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 7:54 PM GMT
By the way,I posted on the original thread by sendintheclowns warning others not to bet with them.
Report holloway November 10, 2014 7:55 PM GMT
We really need to do something about this firm before they rip anymore innocent people off, be it social media or the tabloids, people power can really knock them back a peg or two, how they are allowed to run a business in this way is beyond me.
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 7:55 PM GMT
I think we are all in agreement on that score,HollowaySad
Report Johnny_Mustang November 10, 2014 7:58 PM GMT
I have a suggestion. Why doesn't someone contact the Racing Post, they're well know for championing the cause of punters against bookmakers and will surely give the subject the exposure it deserves. Oh, hang on........
Report rmccarthy16 November 10, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
do you have bipolar racingstar? a minute ago you called everyone pricks for betting with them just because one person has had a bad experience and now your sympathizing with people who have been ripped off by them
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
Cannot get over racingstar and the fact that he "knows" that these books are scum..

We all do however we have to use them as the alleged "Bookmakers" in this Country will not take a bet.

Some of us live 10 miles or more from a Betting Shop and there is no liquidity on here to speak of in the AM which is why I have always done my conkers on here.

The "Sportsbook" will not lay a bet and those alleged "traders" that work for Betfair will not put any liquidity into the markets because they are clueless minimum wage cretins that cannot even hold down a job elsewhere.

What are people supposed to do....
Report WFT November 10, 2014 8:02 PM GMT
As for £9,500,I keep considerably more than that here and only for In Running purposes.
Does this help you?


Well, I'm really impressed !

You questioned that anyone had a substantial balance, so I give you an example, and then you brag you have more in your betfair account ? You'll be wanting to bet on whose got the biggest d1ck, next !

Have you considered that people might even have opened an account with them before sendintheclown's warning ?

Take the blinkers off.
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:02 PM GMT
Did you not read the sendintheclowns threads months ago,HFT?
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:03 PM GMT
Get back to something in keeping with your ability,WFT.
Knitting perhaps
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
racingstar We bought my 16 year old a car last month that would make your balance look like chickenfeed...

And yes she failed her test....Laugh
Report WFT November 10, 2014 8:07 PM GMT
Get back to something in keeping with your ability,WFT.
Knitting perhaps


You know nothing of my abilities, simply because I don't feel the need to pretend to be Billy-big-b0llocks every day, unlike yourself.

You're rapidly joining the ranks of the other forum loonies. They think their b0llocks are big too.
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
They owe me feck all..Chickenfeed it will not break me..

I bet because I have time on my hands in the mornings having retired at 40.....
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:09 PM GMT
Sorry WFT I thought that was aimed at HFT....Laugh
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:15 PM GMT
I was told many years ago by a well respected Bookmaker (who is sadly no longer with us)that the most vital part of any bet was the "certainty" of getting paid if you won.
I had a narrow escape with Napoleans many years ago and have resisted the temptation of betting with "Chancers" ever since.
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:16 PM GMT
HFT,
You did not answer my question regarding sendintheclowns previous warning.
I wonder whyHappy
Report WFT November 10, 2014 8:20 PM GMT
Napoleons (spelled correctly) ? Does that make you a Yorkshireman ?

If so, it might explain a few things.

Grin
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:23 PM GMT
Cannot read every post on here racingstar...

If I did I would have forgotten anyway....

Apparently you can mediate with betway through...

www.ecogra.org

Don't tell me racingstar....

"sendintheclowns" has a previous warning on here ...

Must be your twin brother.....Laugh
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:25 PM GMT
Who could fail to have sympathy with such a loveable person as you,HFTHappy
If you lay with dogs there is a very good chance of getting fleas.
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:27 PM GMT
WFT,
The Firm were well before BF but,ended up owing Sean Graham plenty (King of Kings Ante Post).
The spelling is irrelevant and I am a LondonerHappy
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:29 PM GMT
WFT 10 Nov 14 20:20 Joined: 12 May 10 | Topic/replies: 959 | Blogger: WFT's blog
Napoleons (spelled correctly) ? Does that make you a Yorkshireman ?

If so, it might explain a few things.

That is why he never got his money out...

"I had a narrow escape with Napoleans many years ago and have resisted the temptation of betting with "Chancers" ever since."

He was communicating with a load of black men from the American deep South that slept all day...LaughLaugh

What a mug....
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:30 PM GMT
You are the clueless prick that is owed money,HFT.
Who is the mugHappy
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:30 PM GMT
Sean Graham the original knockers from Belfast...

One of my first accounts shut in the dim and distant..

Could not lay an egg...Laugh
Report Johnny_Mustang November 10, 2014 8:31 PM GMT
Londoners can't be trusted......
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:31 PM GMT
Are you seriously saying that Sean Grahams owe you money,hftHappy
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
Nap New Orleans...

Where do I get them from..

The money has just hit my internet banking account and I have been paid double...Laugh

Time for a new pair of shoes...
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
I am saying that they have knocked me back when I have asked for a bet...

That crew spend all day on the phone and will not take a bet...

Their phone calls are not to their plastic surgeon though....Blush
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
That does not equate to being a "Knocker" does it,HFT.
Betway seem to have that area coveredHappy
Report The Tortoise November 10, 2014 8:54 PM GMT
leave betway well alone. Going to the dogs
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 9:05 PM GMT
Funnily enough I think that these firms start out with good intentions but take on staff that are not up to it...

The Senior Management are clueless but talk the talk in order to justify their six figure wages..

They ban anyone with a winning profile despite the fact that their odds are computer adjusted and they should make a profit whoever bets with them...

Hey it has been a time since I was in the game ......Whoops
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 9:12 PM GMT
I cannot recall any Firm who has taken the trouble to put in their T&C's that,"anybody they suspect of Arbing will have their funds seized",HFT.
They are criminals,pure and simple.
I think that they deliberately set out to steal from clientsHappy
Report Captain Christy November 10, 2014 9:13 PM GMT
Funnily enough I think that these firms start out with good intentions

that made me laff Laugh
Report homefortea November 10, 2014 9:25 PM GMT
No one sets up a Company with the intention to rob everyone...

And then sponsors races next year...

Racingstar if you can get a bet on with the "Sean Graham Organisation" then you are a fool.

Once again Betway are shysters...

They are clueless but have a sportsbook to promote a casino product.

I have dealt with them all.

Name any firm and they all take the rise..
Report Deltâ November 10, 2014 9:30 PM GMT
just advertised on sky CBS Reality - in the ad break!
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 9:30 PM GMT
HFT,
I have not had a bet with Sean Grahams for many years (I used to deal with Brian and they were capable of getting on).
You have conclusively proved which of us is the fool.
Report rmccarthy16 November 10, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
YOU are the fool racingstar, certainly not the big player you make out IMO Happy
Report racingstar November 10, 2014 10:21 PM GMT
McCarthy,
I make out nothing,merely state facts.
You,on the other hand are a two bob sniping prick.
I am more than happy to "prove" my funds (as I have done so before).
Want to put up your proof on funds?
Report sofiakenny November 10, 2014 11:22 PM GMT
if boris becker works for them then they are a ok.
Report sofiakenny November 10, 2014 11:22 PM GMT
if boris becker works for them then they are a ok.
Report rmccarthy16 November 11, 2014 3:37 AM GMT
no because im not an attention seeking mug who doesn't need to gratify himself by proving who has more money via a forumHappy

Grow up Happy
Report Big Boss November 11, 2014 7:16 AM GMT
Instead of flaming each other on here and comparing the sizes of our BF balances to massage our ego's, we all need to alert as many people as possible, be it past, present or potential future account holders with this vile firm.

I am always a believer in Karma, Betway will get their just desserts in time, of that I am certain, once they lose all credibility, not even a substantial advertising campaign will stop the rot.
Report Kerrygold November 11, 2014 8:35 AM GMT
firms like winner,marthonbet,titanbet ,betway - u will prob get paid and but if u are trying they want DNA from you to slow the whole process down so they keep your cash for longer...

woeful operations and bets can go missing at any moment in your account

posters such as sendintheclowns and holloway had issues --these are more common than you think

some of you know whats going on here but most dont....
Report YOMOMMA November 11, 2014 11:46 AM GMT
I've used Marathonbet bet for 2 years and had no problems at all.

Betway are known to be dodgy. Always best to do some research when opening an account with a new bookmaker.

bookmakersreview dot com and sportsbookreview dot com are 2 reputable sites to start with.
Report YOMOMMA November 11, 2014 11:56 AM GMT
https://www.bookmakersreview.com/bookmakers/betway#node_review_full_group_tabs_rating

1 Very poor - Assigned to bookmakers which have failed to fulfill their obligations and/or promises in multiple occasions. You do not want to play with bookmakers rated 1.
Report homefortea November 11, 2014 8:41 PM GMT
YOMOMMA 11 Nov 14 11:46 Joined: 11 Nov 10 | Topic/replies: 11,495 | Blogger: YOMOMMA's blog
I've used Marathonbet bet for 2 years and had no problems at all.


I have been closed down by the best many times...

However Marathonbet are the worst..

Staffed by Eastern Europeans who are are clueless they ask you time and time for ID and never seem to accept it.They are allegedly based in Brighton..

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES BET WITH THAT RANCID BUNCH...
Report racingstar November 11, 2014 8:43 PM GMT
I have no intentions of doing so,hft.
Report homefortea November 11, 2014 8:53 PM GMT
YOMOMMA ...

It does not matter what ratings are given to the alleged "Bookmakers"...
I can get on with none and I would wager that there are plenty of others...

You must be a plant and a pretty poor one at that...

Marathonbet are absolute scum and will probably be lucky to last out the year.

I post on many forums  etc under different usernames (because I have the time and am bored when it rains all day and cannot get out) but mark my words I will drive that rancid Company out of existence..

Have a nice day....
Report Send.in.the.clowns November 12, 2014 8:00 AM GMT
Most people on here probably read my other thread, they stole my winnings 4 days after the bet won (11/10 into 4/5 hardly plot of the century) ... Reason... That I once had an account previously (that was not closed and had not had a bet for 2 years on it)

I have recorded chats where an operator has admitted that if the horse got beat they would not have voided!!!

Stuck though, no IBAS and that ECOGRI shambles they hide behind also hid behind the terms.

Only light on horizon is that the Advertising Standards Authority are conversing with me and they may need to add something to small print in ads.

Cheltenham should be ashamed to let them sponsor a showpiece race.
Report sparrow November 12, 2014 8:52 AM GMT
Some people on an exchange forum might wonder why anybody would be so desperate as to want to give their business to these firms.
Report frog2 November 12, 2014 8:53 AM GMT
If you go to:

https://secure.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/gccustomweb/PublicRegister/PRSearch.aspx

And type in the company you will find they now have an active licence with the UK Gambling Commission. Remember the alleged reason for the change in licencing was to protect UK customers from rogue offshore operators (the POCT is supposed to just be a byproduct). We have lost sound offshore operators like Pinnacle because of these new laws.

I would urge anyone having issues that contradict 'fairness in gambling' to get in touch with the UK Gambling Commission. If they fail in their duty to promote this the government's whole policy and alleged reason for the new licencing will be in tatters. Complained to MPs and/or the press must follow.

Any bookmaker failing to meet its basic obligations in fairness needs now to be exposed.
Report IDKW November 12, 2014 9:06 AM GMT
"Any bookmaker failing to meet its basic obligations in fairness needs now to be exposed."

That'll be the entire Bookmaking industry then

FAIR - "Without favoritism or Discrimination"

OPEN - "Freely available or accessible / Unrestricted"

I can't think of one Bookmaker that operates in accordance with these regulations Angry
Report frog2 November 12, 2014 9:35 AM GMT
Restricting winning punters is one thing. Taking money from peoples' accounts is another.

Going through the bookmakers licensed it appears that the GC has being giving out licences like confetti the last few weeks. I hope that it does not come back to haunt them.
Report Johnny_Mustang November 12, 2014 9:35 AM GMT
"Cheltenham should be ashamed to let them sponsor a showpiece race"

Of course they f*cking won't be ashamed, they'll take any sponsorship money that comes their way.
Report pumphol. November 12, 2014 9:45 AM GMT
"Cheltenham should be ashamed to let them sponsor a showpiece race"

Of course they f*cking won't be ashamed, they'll take any sponsorship money that comes their way.



Disagree, would any reputable firm in this case Cheltenham Racecourse PLC want to be  associated with a rogue outfit, ok that may yet have to be fully proved but if enough mud sticks no firm would want to be seen to be working with a bunch of crooks.
Report Johnny_Mustang November 12, 2014 9:55 AM GMT
You've answered your own question Pumphol. As you mentioned, nothing untoward has been proven against them so why wouldn't Cheltenham take their cash? I'd hope they wouldn't if anything were to manifest itself later on though.
Report paulie wallnuts November 12, 2014 10:07 AM GMT
Shut up mustang you imbecile.....theres a que 10 miles long to sponsor races at the Cheltenham festival.....let alone one of the flagship races....
You know fukk all about what you are talking about ya clown ya.....
Report Johnny_Mustang November 12, 2014 10:36 AM GMT
Oh dear, here comes the forum's c*nt, par excellance. Of course they don't have companies fighting each other to sponsor races you f*cking tool.
Report WFT November 12, 2014 10:46 AM GMT
Taken from cheltenham.co.uk..............

"Our clients are diverse; from JCB to Ryanair, Jewson to Albert Bartlett, Paddy Power to Ladbrokes, Neptune Investment Management to RSA, Irish Times to News International, the range of businesses who reap the benefits of a sponsorship association with Cheltenham is very considerable, and growing."

Doesn't sound to be that they're struggling for sponsorship
Report Johnny_Mustang November 12, 2014 11:05 AM GMT
Well they're hardly going to say "we're struggling and Poundland have offered to back the Fred Winter for, well a £1" are they?
Report Send.in.the.clowns November 12, 2014 11:15 AM GMT
Talking of sponsorships for these thieving bandits maybe we can suggest some names or events for them.

Maybe they could endorse the Pittsburg STEALERS
Report paulie wallnuts November 12, 2014 11:30 AM GMT
shut up mustang ya complete and utter tool.....go clean the Shiite out yer pants ya fool ya....
Cheltenham could have 50 sponsors for any grade 1.....ya know nothing mustang.....yer out of yer depth ya gobshiite....
Report mirisoo November 12, 2014 11:33 AM GMT
I still do not understand how they can void bets after they have won....... explain please
Report Johnny_Mustang November 12, 2014 11:41 AM GMT
Paulie once again flexing the full might of his admittedly limited vocabulary.
Report frog2 November 12, 2014 11:52 AM GMT
Sponsorship is not really the big issue here. They have a UK licence by the Gambling Commission. Racecourses should be able to rely on that fact and not have to do own searches.

How come the Gambling Commission is not googling the firms to check their creditials before issuing licences?
Report dave1357 November 12, 2014 11:52 AM GMT
If Betway don't obtain a full UKGC licence (they have a transitional one atm I believe), it will be illegal for them to sponsor a race in the UK.
Report WFT November 12, 2014 11:56 AM GMT
I still do not understand how they can void bets after they have won....... explain please

It seems their T&C's have a condition where if they deem that you're an arber (i.e taken the best price with them), then they can close your account and keep the balance.

Another thing I've read is that if you bet more than 30% of your original deposit, that too is a reason to do the same !
Report mirisoo November 12, 2014 11:59 AM GMT
And how can placing one bet, deem you as an arber? I would like to see them try and prove that type of claim.
Report dom888 November 12, 2014 12:00 PM GMT
Betway is a joke company. When I opened the account, I deposited just 50 quid and wanted to place a bet on India to win a cricket match.
They rejected and only offered 20. lol what a joke. Was my first bet with them and they didn't want to take the whooping risk of 50 at evens.
Report WFT November 12, 2014 12:01 PM GMT
I would like to see them try and prove that type of claim.

They don't have to. By opening an account, you've agreed to their T&S's !
Report mirisoo November 12, 2014 12:12 PM GMT
Maybe the GC should look in to ECOGRI. I suspect these 2 companies work hand in hand and are not impartial in anyway.
Report Big Boss November 12, 2014 12:14 PM GMT
everybody stay away from these clowns, post online to the masses and tell everyone you know to stay away, end of fred.
Report kemo sabe November 12, 2014 12:19 PM GMT
the point has been made .... ie why would y need the hassle of betting with companies who in theory give you a tiny edge yet the actuality is they dont ... let it go base yr betting model around the exchange cut out the angst ,the wasted time and energy ... let it go guys ,,, its like complaining about the big bookies ... why bother ... i went into hill earlier one person playing god knows what ... do i want a cup of coffee nice staff but only following orders .... twenty quid bet for my bird cos its same name as hotel shes staying in ...she said back it with real money not the virtual stuff y use ... i cant remember when i last had a bet in a bookie ,,, i occasionally watch races in them but thats about all .
Report rmccarthy16 December 2, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
4 pages of complaints can't be wrong alan, you're not kidding anyone, thats if you are actually from betway which seems very odd and unprofessional to come onto the betfair forum.
Report WFT December 2, 2014 1:54 PM GMT
Have you changed the T&C where it says you can "steal" members money if you "deem" that they might be arbers (or taken the best price even) ?
Report Send.in.the.clowns December 2, 2014 1:55 PM GMT
AFC1414.  Your firm stole my money four days after the horse won citing a previous account- it wasnt even much, can you look at my case please - if you really work there.
Report AFC1414 December 2, 2014 2:03 PM GMT
Send.in.the.clowns : I've sent you a private message with an e-mail address where you can send me details so I can investigate.
WFT : I think 'steal' might be the wrong word, but the clause you refer to is on the amendment list.
rmccarthy16 : nothing odd or unprofessional about my reply, I'm here to help clear this up and state a defence/case (where needed). The alternative is to ask Betfair to remove the thread (entirely within the rights of any competitor being criticised on here) - but that's not entirely conducive to free-speech and debate is it?
Report Send.in.the.clowns January 25, 2015 6:47 PM GMT
Fair play to AFC1414 who tried his best for me. But sad to say that Betway hid behind the rule and kept my money.

Basically they had a no lose situation with me, horse wins void - horse loses they keep it.

Anyhow I have since stuck 4 new accounts into the w@nkers and won much more than they cost me.

Steer clear.
Report racingstar January 25, 2015 7:43 PM GMT
"Anyhow I have since stuck 4 new accounts into the w@nkers and won much more than they cost me".




Obviously a quick learner and like Alan Partridge used to say,"needless to say,I had the last laugh"Happy
Report homefortea January 25, 2015 7:50 PM GMT
Just found this Ace as I accessed the thread....


racingstar 10 Nov 14 21:30 Joined: 22 Oct 08 | Topic/replies: 8,428 | Blogger: racingstar's blog
HFT,
I have not had a bet with Sean Grahams for many years (I used to deal with Brian and they were capable of getting on).
You have conclusively proved which of us is the fool.

Anyone that thinks that the original ugliest family in Ulster takes a bet needs sectioning...

And I had the joy of working with one of them...LaughLaugh
Report racingstar January 25, 2015 7:58 PM GMT
HFT,
All Sean Graham bets were well before BF existed.
IHTHHappy
Report homefortea January 25, 2015 8:05 PM GMT
That must mean that you retired before they retired you...

The family are a disgrace and their margins on Irish racing are eye watering...Laugh

FOAB...
Report homefortea January 25, 2015 8:07 PM GMT
Actually FOAB does not stand for Father Of All Bombs...



They were a local motor cycle gang....Laugh
Report racingstar January 25, 2015 8:39 PM GMT
You can have an 130% Book and still be miles out,HFT,as you should know.Happy
Report homefortea January 25, 2015 8:49 PM GMT
The Grahams would think a 130% book was a fire sale...
Report racingstar January 25, 2015 8:50 PM GMT
You are not wrong there,HFTHappy
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