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Big Mart's "my brother can run 100 metres in 5.8 seconds whilst being simultaneously felated by a former Miss World" wouldn't be a bad yardstick here.
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feck me johnny has he shaved another 6 sec off since i posted
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still think winsor boy was like watching fools and horses, timeless classics ,that make you laugh even after all this time ! my sides where splitting some nights !
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johnny hows the weather in the emerald isle
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what about the guy on the footy thread a few years back ! the "free munny" bet involved man u and some foreign team in the champions league and he said " its a fecking cert if this don't win I will swim the channel to Calais with my grandmother strapped to my back " needless to say the bet went tits up !
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the thread last nite were weemart tried to be a hardman by making threats after he lost a 50k bet to elise and then went on his usual childish rants by putting up his childish videos and photos
bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:15 AM BST black burn the ground was bottemless that day nortons coin won . it never won another race and never has their been such a silence at that meeting after it crossed the line sir Report • Quote • Block User bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:17 AM BST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGZCalLTJgM Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:20 AM BST black burn the ground was bottemless that day nortons coin won Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:21 AM BST err no, it was good to firm Report • Quote • Block User bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:23 AM BST want a bet on that elise you keep guessing plonker Report • Quote • Block User never give up • October 20, 2014 12:24 AM BST bigmart • July 4, 2014 8:38 PM BST nice place just thought for a min but never really quickend up ! Selection Selection Details Result 1 Horse Racing BEVERLEY 20:30 HANDICAP 1m 4f 16y 4th of July 2014 8:30 pm Place Only 3 Places Moving Waves @ 6/4 Pending Stake and Return Details Bet placed at 4th of July 2014 8:26 pm Total Stake £1000.00 Bet type Single (To Win) Tax@Tax free 0 Number of lines 1 Total stake due £1000.00 Stake per line £100.00 Freebets Redeemed £0.00 Channel Internet Total amount paid £1000.00 Number of win lines - Potential Returns £2500.00 Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:24 AM BST yes, fire away, name your price Report • Quote • Block User bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:25 AM BST 50 k Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:25 AM BST how much please, make it big? Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:25 AM BST . http://www.racingpost.com/horses/result_home.sd?race_id=34119&r_date=1990-03-15#results_top_tabs=re_&results_bottom_tabs=ANALYSIS Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:25 AM BST cheque will do, ta Report • Quote • Block User bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:26 AM BST here is one of the after race comments Elvic Ramble4 years agoin reply to robert scott Desert Orchid won the Gold Cup though in 1989 on the sort of bottonless ground that if it was ran today it would have been abandoned. Dessie also went and won alot further in trip than Kauto Star ever will. 2m (Victor Chandler) to 3m5F (Irish National). Dessie also prefered right-handed tracks, his only two wins left handed were the Gold Cup in 89 and what is now known as the Totesport Bowl at Aintree the year before. To compare horses from different eras woulb very difficult. Report • Quote • Block User bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:27 AM BST posted after the race how do you want to pay ? Report • Quote • Block User never give up • October 20, 2014 12:27 AM BST Cheltenham Result 15 Mar 1990 « 3:30 » Tote Cheltenham Gold Cup Chase Championship Race 3m2f New Good To Firm 19 fences Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:28 AM BST 89 is great, but nortons was 1990 Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:29 AM BST just check the link i posted, it's not a quote it's from the rp Report • Quote • Block User bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:29 AM BST here comes captain plonker err can you not rember the huge downpour creton Report • Quote • Block User never give up • October 20, 2014 12:29 AM BST elise ,i hope weemart doesnt pay you with his monopoly money Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:31 AM BST read the link, thanks Report • Quote • Block User bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:32 AM BST want open Report • Quote • Block User bigmart • October 20, 2014 12:33 AM BST anyway i rem it was 100/1 Report • Quote • Block User never give up • October 20, 2014 12:34 AM BST Cheltenham Result 15 Mar 1990 « 3:30 » Tote Cheltenham Gold Cup Chase Championship Race 3m2f New Good To Firm 19 fences £67,003.40, £24,980.60, £12,140.30, £5,136.50, £2,218.25 RESULT RATE RACE Show all comments in running Show all pedigrees HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR « 1 Norton's Coin 100/1 9 12-0 Sirrell Griffiths — * * » G McCourt « 2 ¾ Toby Tobias 8/1 8 12-0 Mrs J Pitman — * * » M Pitman « 3 4 Desert Orchid 10/11F 11 12-0 David Elsworth — * * » R Dunwoody « 4 7 Cavvies Clown 10/1 10 12-0 David Elsworth — * * » Graham Bradley « 5 12 Pegwell Bay 20/1 9 12-0 T A Forster — * * » B Powell Snr « 6 1 Maid Of Money 25/1 8 11-9 J R H Fowler — * * A Powell « 7 15 Yahoo 40/1 9 12-0 b1 J A C Edwards — * * » T Morgan « 8 2½ Bonanza Boy 15/2 9 12-0 M C Pipe — * * » Peter Scudamore « PU The Bakewell Boy 200/1 8 12-0 R G Frost — * * » Steve Smith-Eccles « F Kildimo 50/1 10 12-0 G B Balding — * * » J Frost « F Ten Of Spades 20/1 10 12-0 F Walwyn — * * » K Mooney « PU Nick The Brief 10/1 8 12-0 John Upson — * * » M M Lynch 12 ran TIME 6m 30.90s Total SP 113% 1st OWNER: S G Griffiths BRED: G P Thomas TRAINER: Sirrell Griffiths 2nd OWNER: Mrs Elizabeth Hitchins 3rd OWNER: R Burridge Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:34 AM BST yes it opens, and it gives the ground, have another go Report • Quote • Block User never give up • October 20, 2014 12:34 AM BST its open now weemart...........pay up Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:36 AM BST will he ever read something and admit he's wrong, this could be a first? Report • Quote • Block User never give up • October 20, 2014 12:37 AM BST elise • October 20, 2014 12:36 AM BST will he ever read something and admit he's wrong, this could be a first? you have a better chance of getting your 50 k Report • Quote • Block User Steamship • October 20, 2014 12:44 AM BST Sorry GEORGE B I wish I had not added Nortons Coin to the list. For the record bigmart obviously elise and the RP are correct re the ground, I would also add that although Nortons won at 100/1 there was quite a few people on him, he certainly would not have been that price if Betfair had been around as he would have been discussed. I backed Dessie, can you believe confirmed mudlark Bonanza Boy went off that short. Report • Quote • Block User elise • October 20, 2014 12:57 AM BST apologies steamship, i've just had enough of him, i shouldn't have indulged on what is a decent thread |
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frasiers thread was the best won on here EVER
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what was frasiers fred delta ?
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even better when i asked nonaenever to post up some tips ! the scorch marks where on his carpet !
you and yorkie should really do a duet , pretending you actually bet ! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlcdz_the-platters-the-great-pretender_music "The Great Pretender" Oh-oh, yes I'm the great pretender Pretending that I'm doing well My need is such I pretend too much I'm lonely but no one can tell Oh-oh, yes I'm the great pretender Adrift in a world of my own I've played the game but to my real shame You've left me to grieve all alone Too real is this feeling of make-believe Too real when I feel what my heart can't conceal Yes, I'm the great pretender Just laughin' and gay like a clown I seem to be what I'm not, you see I'm wearing my heart like a crown Pretending that you're still around Too real is this feeling of make-believe Too real when I feel what my heart can't conceal Yes, I'm the great pretender Just laughin' and g-ay like a clown I seem to be what I'm not, you see I'm wearing my heart like a crown Pretending that you're still around , descibes you two to a tee ![]() ![]() |
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why do you edit bets weemart?
will you pay elise the money you owe him? just the usual childish videos and photos i see from weemart the big hard wainbrain |
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They're selling postcards of the hanging
They're painting the passports brown The beauty parlor is filled with sailors The circus is in town Here comes the blind commissioner They've got him in a trance One hand is tied to the tight-rope walker The other is in his pants And the riot squad they're restless They need somewhere to go As Lady and I look out tonight From Desolation Row. Cinderella, she seems so easy "It takes one to know one," she smiles And puts her hands in her back pockets Bette Davis style And in comes Romeo, he's moaning "You belong to Me I Believe" And someone says, "You're in the wrong place, my friend You better leave" And the only sound that's left After the ambulances go Is Cinderella sweeping up On Desolation Row. Now the moon is almost hidden The stars are beginning to hide The fortunetelling lady Has even taken all her things inside All except for Cain and Abel And the hunchback of Notre Dame Everybody is making love Or else expecting rain And the Good Samaritan, he's dressing He's getting ready for the show He's going to the carnival tonight On Desolation Row. Now Ophelia, she's 'neath the window For her I feel so afraid On her twenty-second birthday She already is an old maid To her, death is quite romantic She wears an iron vest Her profession's her religion Her sin is her lifelessness And though her eyes are fixed upon Noah's great rainbow She spends her time peeking Into Desolation Row. Einstein, disguised as Robin Hood With his memories in a trunk Passed this way an hour ago With his friend, a jealous monk He looked so immaculately frightful As he bummed a cigarette Then he went off sniffing drainpipes And reciting the alphabet You would not think to look at him But he was famous long ago For playing the electric violin On Desolation Row. Dr. Filth, he keeps his world Inside of a leather cup But all his sexless patients They're trying to blow it up Now his nurse, some local loser She's in charge of the cyanide hole And she also keeps the cards that read "Have Mercy on His Soul" They all play on penny whistles You can hear them blow If you lean your head out far enough From Desolation Row. Across the street they've nailed the curtains They're getting ready for the feast The Phantom of the Opera In a perfect image of a priest They're spoonfeeding Casanova To get him to feel more assured Then they'll kill him with self-confidence After poisoning him with words And the Phantom's shouting to skinny girls "Get outa here if you don't know" Casanova is just being punished for going To Desolation Row. At midnight all the agents And the superhuman crew Come out and round up everyone That knows more than they do Then they bring them to the factory Where the heart-attack machine Is strapped across their shoulders And then the kerosene Is brought down from the castles By insurance men who go Check to see that nobody is escaping To Desolation Row. They be to Nero's Neptune The Titanic sails at dawn Everybody's shouting "Which side are you on ?" And Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot Fighting in the captain's tower While calypso singers laugh at them And fishermen hold flowers Between the windows of the sea Where lovely mermaids flow And nobody has to think too much About Desolation Row. Yes, I received your letter yesterday About the time the door knob broke When you asked me how I was doing Was that some kind of joke ? All these people that you mention Yes, I know them, they're quite lame I had to rearrange their faces And give them all another name Right now I can't read too good Dont send me no more letters no Not unless you mail them From Desolation Row. ![]() ![]() |
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post some sel never tar
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why do you edit bets weemart?
will you pay elise the money you owe him? just the usual childish videos and photos i see from weemart the big hard wainbrain |
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come on hard man answer the questions
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Big Mart, you're really boiling up... have a thought for Latex Lolly later.... or she'll melt !
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hal no no am very cool did you notice i saw of the forums resident wd be hard man last night
mr mouth himself . just like yokie all mouth , i said let the forum see what your about .but like that man from faulty towers ,'' see am from barcelona i know nothing '' must be very hard being very inferior in every way ! still the state benefit could be worse ! ![]() |
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Fraziers fred was definately the funniest read on here, really couldn't stop laughing out loud as i read it.
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Mart, you've made a start posting early doors... when do we all get an invite to your bro's night club?....
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stewart can you put it up tar
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First goalscorer market fred, where the MSE crowd thought they'd found the holy grail
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with you about Frasier Delta
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was millionaire morse and alain charnier the same person. ??? charnier/ cashpoint. etc could have been a comedy screen writer...
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frasier 23 Dec 20:30
The first time I logged onto the Betfair forum was just over three years ago. At the time it seemed like a perfectly innocent thing to do, after all, what possible harm could come from exchanging a few pleasantries with my fellow horse racing enthusiasts? Or opening up a thread and being able to discover in an instant what everybody?s top 10 favourite breakfast cereals were? No harm whatsoever as far as I could see. Yet here I am today sitting naked at my computer. Bald and 76lbs overweight. Anti-depressants in one hand, mouse in the other, Frantically clicking the refresh button to see if anyone has replied to this thread. My children are threatening to report me to Childline, after they discovered that due to my ever-increasing gambling debts, they would once again be enjoying a make believe Christmas this year. My wife has just walked out on me after forcing me to choose between her and the forum, and I have to ask myself, maybe it wasn?t so harmless after all? It was only two days after joining Betfair that I first clicked on the link. I remember it was a Saturday afternoon. I had just watched the first 6 races of the day and there was a 45-minute gap until the next start. So with nothing else better to do, apart from listen to the inane, squeaky voiced ramblings of Willie Carson as he walked up and down the course with his big pointy stick. I thought to my self, why not? As far as I could tell, by simply entering the forum, I had accidentally stumbled upon the secret meeting place of the most knowledgeable horse racing experts in Britain. A place where professional gamblers, tipsters and blacksmiths, would gather together to exchange genuine insider information, and threaten to beat each other up. Every other thread appeared to be a gateway to riches. With confident declarations of ?WHEELBARROW JOB? and ?LUMP ON THIS?, I knew I had made the discovery of a lifetime. No more would I spend my days trying to decipher a formbook that may as well have been written in Braille, no more would I spend my days lost in the gambling wilderness. The Betfair forum had become my Tom Tom. At last, I was finally on the road to success. The very first thread I read that afternoon was entitled ?MAXIMUM 5 STAR BET OF THE DAY?. Apparently, according to the writers? information. The horse had been burning up the gallops at home, and even though it was badly handicapped, the jockey was a woman! The poster was still absolutely convinced the horse would walk it. The poster was right. As soon as the stalls opened, the rest of the field sprinted down the straight as though being pursued by a polish butcher with a meat cleaver. While the horse I had backed, popped on his sunglasses, tilted his headgear to a racy angle, and proceeded to stroll casually for home without a care in the world. Even stopping occasionally to neigh at the crowd, before eventually trailing in a well beaten last. It was at this point, as I wiped away the remains of the half eaten pot noodle I had just hurled at my laptop, that I made my second discovery of the afternoon. In the time it had taken the losing owner and trainer to go and collect their winnings, a total of 14 threads had suddenly appeared on the forum, declaring the startling news that ITS ALL**!!!? Now while I had always suspected that the sport of kings wasn?t entirely honest. To suddenly discover it was less straight than George Michael, taking a midnight stroll on the common, came as something of a shock. However it was already too late. The next race was about to begin and a further 8 separate tips had already been posted. A quick look at Tim UK`s how much have you won, thread. Confirmed my belief that the pockets of every other forumite were literally bursting at the seams. Therefore I knew, that the only way to recover my losses was to deposit more funds and let the chase begin. I was wrong! By the end of the day I had backed and layed a total of 98 horses and completely done my knackers! I will never forget the feeling of staring breathlessly into space; body bathed in sweat, overwhelmed with a sense of guilt, my heart pounding so hard I could feel it pulsing in my ears. It was a feeling I had experienced many times before. Only this time, it wasn?t because I had just spent the afternoon downloading midget porn. So the journey had begun. Day after day, week after week. The unbelievable highs as those elusive winners powered their way to victory. The despairing lows, as the forum continued to crash after yet another upgrade. However it wasn?t just the inept standard of tipstering I had become addicted to. It was the Betfair community itself. Suddenly I would find myself logging on first thing in the morning, simply to discover whether Infomaniac had been for a dump yet! Or last thing at night, just to reassure myself that Limerick Mick and his horse, had arrived home safely from yet another days globetrotting. Gradually, over the months that followed, and as my funds continued to dwindle, I slowly began to change. At first it was barely noticeable. For instance, instead of saying hello as I met up with friends and relations, I would find myself making a huge smiley face to indicate I was pleased to see them. Or upon hearing an amusing anecdote I would no longer laugh, I would simply utter the word LOL. Or if it were particularly amusing, I would tell them it was so funny my arse had fallen off. Also, as the forum insecurities began to take hold, my online paranoia began to manifest itself into my home life. Such as the times my parents came to visit and began boasting about how successful my brothers had become, Instead of just shrugging my shoulders, I would immediately accuse them of ramping their selections, brandish the yellow card and ban them from the house for a month. Or the day I had a minor disagreement with my neighbour. After he discovered I was responsible for spreading the rumours, that his nubile teenage daughter was actually a middle-aged truck driver called Bob. Who was merely pretending to be a girl, so desperate men like myself would lavish him with attention, and sign up to his website! Whereas previously I would have entered into a calm and rational debate with the man, whilst hoping to persuade him that my point of view was the correct one, and to kindly release his grip on my testicles. Instead i began shouting that he was a MUG and a MUPPIT, before arranging to meet him in a nearby pub car park, where I intended to beat him to within an inch of his worthless life. Once out of hospital, and as my debts, and online habit continued to grow. So did the concerns of my family. Who despite my insistence there was nothing to worry about. Often went to unbelievable lengths to tempt me away from the forum. The first such occurrence was during the late summer. I remember the speakers had broken down on my computer, and as my radio was in the next room, I had spent most of the day tapping my feet, while reading a selection of lyrics that had been posted on chitchat. I had just begun to read the second verse of ?I?m too sexy? by ?Right Said Fred? when there came a timid knock at the door. Even as I write this, I can still picture the tear stained faces of my wife and children, as they gently took my hands, and told me our beloved cat had died. However later that night, as I tapped away at my keyboard, while listening to the sounds of my 5 year old son digging a ?Tiddles? shaped grave in the garden. I couldn?t help thinking how suspicious it was. That a cat that had been in excellent health for over 21 years, would suddenly pass away as the Big Brother final was about to begin. I tried to reassure them that if Nikki were to win I would buy them an even better cat, but they wouldn?t listen. Or the time during early December, when my young son and daughter ran excitedly into my study, and asked if I would take them into town to see Santa Claus. Once again I suspected it was a ruse. After all, what self-respecting person still believes in a flamboyant, rosy-cheeked, fat faced old man? Who does very little, apart from cost people money, sit on his backside, and eat copious amounts of pies for most of the year? Nobody apart from channel 4 and Mrs McCririck! I tried to explain to them that daddy was busy, and that unless my purple loan was approved, or Paul Eddery, managed to ride the winner in the first race at Wolverhampton, then there wouldn?t be any presents! And the only people who would be visiting our house on Christmas Eve were the bailiffs! But again they refused to understand. Deciding instead to burst into tears, before running away shouting ?MUMMY?. Things finally came to a head just a few days ago, on the evening of my wifes birthday. As I had been fairly busy on the forum that night, monitoring a pair of particularly interesting threads entitled, ?who is your favourite Cheeky Girl?? and ?which hand do you use to wipe your ar$e with?? I decided to send a text to my wife asking her if she would care to come upstairs and take a look at the e card I had just mailed her. I was just about to press send, when there she was, naked and smiling at me from the hallway. In many ways my wife is a wonderful woman. A 31-year-old, former Filipino bargirl who travelled to England just over 10 years ago, with dreams of becoming a waitress. The first time we met was during a friend?s stag party. As soon as I saw her walk onto the stage, carrying a bottle of lubricant, and begin firing a succession of ping-pong balls haphazardly across the room, I knew she was the girl for me. Two months later we were married, and now here she was, naked, carrying a racket, and begging me to take her to bed. It was only 3am, but as it was her birthday I felt I really couldn?t refuse. 5 minutes later as I lay breathless, and my wifes rabbit continued the job I had begun, all I could think about was the forum. And how many posts I had missed in the time I was away. I told my wife I was going to get a drink of water, but even as I grabbed my laptop and crept ashamedly down the stairs and through the back door, I was certain she suspected the truth. That?s when it happened. I had just finished typing that my chosen method was to stand up, lean completely forward, and use a reverse, double-handed sweeping technique, when suddenly the light was turned on and my wife started to scream. I can only imagine how it must have looked, to open the shed door in the middle of the night, and discover your husband sitting precariously on the edge of the lawnmower in his undercrackers, explaining to a group of strangers how he prefers to wipe his ar$e. I tried to tell her that it wasn?t how it seemed, and that rather than being on the forum, I was simply ordering a turkey from tesco`s and looking at some porn, but the damage had already been done, and despite my protestations and pleas for forgiveness, the very next morning she had packed my belongings and was gone, taking the children and the new cat with her. It is for this reason that I have decided to cancel my Internet connection and leave the forum forever. You may think this a touch extreme, but I urge you to heed this warning. As you sit down with your families this Christmas, and suddenly feel the urge to log onto Betfair, just to see who?s online, or what everyone has just had for dinner! Please. 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lou walsh and his boy band , richard these are the sorts of guests ! but i cd get you some tickets to his m8s places in amsterdam thats a bit more interesting , he got me a ticket to IT NIGHT CLUB , after 12 the fun begins every single waitress around 200 strip of completly naked, and you the guests are allowed to shag them senseless , they only in amsterdam ![]() |
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well done CIDER
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JUST READ IT ALL AGAIN
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why do you edit bets weemart?
will you pay elise the money you owe him? come on weemart,u were making threats on here last nite,answer the questions bigboy |
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Oh, ok Mart !
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A ABSOULTE CERTAINTY....IF THIS DOSENT OBLIGE..I"LL PACK IN
obeone obeone 10 Apr 07 17:02 Joined: 25 Nov 06 | Topic/replies: 14 | Blogger: obeone's blog THIS IS FOR THE BIG PLAYERS LIKE MYSELF,BACK UNDER 3.5 GOALS MAN UTD V ROMA IM HAVING A 5 GRAND BET ON THIS TONITE,THIS IS THE BIGGEST CERTAINTY SO FAR THIS YEAR,UNLOAD AND ENJOY...PS..IF THIS BET GETS BEATEN I"LL SWIM THE CHANNEL WITH MY MOTHER IN LAW ON MY BACK AND SHE WEIGHS NEAR ON 20 STONE.... just brought it to the top in footie forum. |
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Saddo done a funny one someone said they had just saved a bird from a kestrel i think it was by throwing a brick at it
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another cracker ! and I think it was from morse again ,when he advised another free money jobbie ,by memory mk dons were involved and had taken a 3 nil lead with about 20 odd mins to go and morse advised a lump on free money job on them at very short odds , by now predictably the footy forums finest were unleashing venormous abuse on morse and the vultures were circling and the tumbleweed started rolling across the forum and a sense of doom hung in the air as morses bold predictions seemed to anger the betting gods who responded with a goal for the opposition 1-3 with about 15 mins of time remaining , the forum exploded with mocking responses to the beleagured morse as forumites gleefully stuck the knife in and got got ready for the spectacle of the impending implosion of the tip.
morse to his credit didn't flinch under such pressure of the scathing attacks which were coming in at by now an alarming rate ! incredibaly morse advised another full bank job as the odds had now lengthened slightly ,but everyone seemed to know what was about to happen .....................I don't really need to say anymore we all know what happened and the khoont had the front to say he greened out for a profit ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() classic thread and needs to be revived ! |
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I always loved the "Warwick Hunt lays down the Law" video post:
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not a thread! but must give a mention to judos never to be forgotten "im ripped" post . a classic response up there with the very best of them and one that will stand the test of time . never mind as to what were you doing when president kennedy was shot !! what were you doing when judo uttered those immortal lines !
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Never bothered reading it myself - But ...
They were forever bringing back the - 'Get your FULL BANK on Phil Taylor' - thread.... - for a tournament that he, unexpectedly, Lost. |
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that warwick hunt was funny as fook !
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