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Disloyalty is not nice, you were so far up his arris years ago and now this.
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poor bait from opening poster, still one of the best as far as im concerned
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Fallon did nothing wrong. Hughes went across him.
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The OP seems to change his opinion from race to race.
If this is genuine and not just fishing I knew full well though halfway through the race if Fallon didn't get a run these type of posts would appear. It reminded me a bit of Excelebration's run in it a few seasons ago where the all wanted to come up the one strip tight to the rail due to the ground but that day Excelebration got the gaps in time and today neither of the Hannon horses did, which is just race riding and luck in running. The draw didn't help either Hannon horse and neither did having to be held up and so that exaggerated narrowing of the racing ground because of the going made it even more difficult to ensure a clear run. |
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shocking tactics from fallon.
when they slowed it why not let him stride out settleing him in the process?...rather than pull his head off for 4 furlongs ffs |
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Well out of order Pandora !
Fallon is the most successful ever, and most naturally talented. Im sick to death of people slagging fallon with preconceived notions which fuel nonsensical complaints and demeaning attack on fallon |
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The lowest of the low.....America here we come.....may he have a long stay there....50 years would be very nice....
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Whos the only man to win on night of thunder this year?
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And the only man to ever beat Kingman.
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Thank god for block user.....that's all I say.....
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Oh dear, we're having to go back to a ride at the beginning of May to defend him. Regardless of the Guineas result that was a terrible ride today. Fallon is quite clearly a shadow of his former self. Hopefully he'll be off to the States very soon.
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ima_mazed66 ima_mazed66 18 Oct 14 18:33 Joined: 12 Oct 09 | Topic/replies: 7,828 | Blogger: ima_mazed66's blog And the only man (rider of the horse0 to ever beat Kingman.   |
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No we aren't having to go back to May but that just happens to be when the 2000gns was run.
We could also have flagged up any of the 7 group races he has won this year and today's run was merely bad luck in running on a horse that is ridden coming from behind but drawn against the rail when those drawn wide were always going to tack over when the ground was like it was today. The draw Fallon had would have suited a front runner as long as it got out well and forced the pace but seeing as he has never ridden Toormore before then you would have to imagine he was given riding orders to ride the horse from behind as it usually is. |
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ima,
Fallon gets a lot of stick on this forum because of his perceived past demeanours. Of course at this late stage of his career he is not the rider he was although he is still capable of winning good races given the right ammunition. At his age it's a strange decision to go to the USA to re-discover 'the buzz', he looks to be struggling with the thoughts of life out of the saddle. Most of the top ex jockeys retire to a role within racing, i.e. training, media, racing managers etc., this mustn't appeal to Fallon. |
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Holywell.....who in gods name would give him a job as a racing manager......what television station would want him anywhere near the screen.....and my god who in their right mind would give him a horse to train....
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paulie,
With his experience, knowledge and contacts within the game why couldn't he be a racing manager ? He may struggle with a tv role because he doesn't need the 'gravy', but, you never know. When you see some of the current 'low level' trainers there should be no reason why you wouldn't send a horse to Fallon, think of the experience he gained from the Ramsden's.  |
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Is this the same Toormore that made all the running to win the Craven earlier in the season? He is certainly not a 'hold up' horse. To use that as an excuse for Fallon is a bit pathetic. Even if he decides to hold him up, it doesn't mean he needs to be so far back. In addition to that he then struggled to settle the horse early on and wasn't very proactive at all when things weren't going to plan. It wasn't the worst ride ever but it was still pretty poor. As i said before he's a shadow of his former self. In addition he's become more and more unreliable just turning up at the races.
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Has Pandora's opening comment been removed?
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True Holywell and some of the stick is even justified but far more it it isn't.
He's still good enough just as long as the horse is and jockeys don't deteriorate on a fitness level as they get older as much as in other sports, so you wouldn't get 50 year old footballers or tennis players still competing at the highest level and that's mainly because a jockey is only physically active for short spells during races and then there are lengthy recovery periods until the next race. Regarding going to America, they way I read it was that last season he was getting a bit demoralised with poor quality rides but then got a buzz from winning the 2000gns and regular rides in classics trials and and classic but his season faded a little for whatever reason and presumably going to America (which I thought he did on a regular basis) is what he is hoping can freshen things up and come back for next season. One run asparagus doesn't mean that's the type of horse an animal is and it's how it's ridden for the majority of the time that counts and especially in its most recent runs. Read any post-race comments too and many will say it races keenly or took a keen hold. We also don't know what instructions Fallon was given considering he's never ridden the horse before but I offered no "excuses" for the defeat and just reasons. The horse was drawn on the rail and even in a different section of the stalls meaning it had to race up the rail early and the ground as it was meant everything was going to tack over and lead to a bunched field. Fallon was in the process of getting the horse settled when another runner went across him early, causing the horse to get lit up and turning its head. As for him not being very proactive, he was clearly trying to ease off the rail to get a run and there's no point looking busy in the saddle when you are up the @rses of the ones in front and have nowhere to go. Then as the race quickened and a few gaps appeared Hughes came and took his ground when he was winding up for his own run. He's not at all a shadow of his former self as he has shown several times this season he is good enough as long as the horse is bar any obvious issues such as luck in running, of which he got very little yesterday although he wasn't the only one on that score. |
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Deary me, if you can't see he's a shadow of his former self then I give up. It's blatantly obvious to the rest of the world.
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If you can't see your use of language is the problem then maybe you should give up.
Jockeys who are "a shadow of their former self" don't tend to win classics or half a dozen group races as Fallon has done this year and he's also about to reverse a trend where his number of winners has gone down for each of the past 3 seasons too. Was was he "a shadow of his former self" when he won the 2000gns this season or the Goodwood Cup, Brigadier Gerard, Musidora or the 3 group races including a Gr1 he won in Dubai before the British season started or was it a case of his horses were good enough to win those races and so then so was he? If you had said he was no longer in his heyday or in the twilight of his career than you would have no argument from me but to say he's a shadow of his former self is way over the top and was Lester a shadow of his former self when he came out of retirement and won several top races? He also might have been in the twilight of his career too but to have said he was a shadow of his former self would have been total nonsense. |
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And the award for pedantic tw@t of the week goes to.....
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"At his age it's a strange decision to go to the USA "
Apparently he is only going for the winter......and back next season......but didn't he head to America before when a series of events went spiralling out of control, when too much was happening and he needed to get away. Earlier this season when things were going well he seemed focused and controlled and in a positive state of mind...... needs to stay like that when he comes back next year. In the twilight of his career, yes, but still good enough. And a lot of problems in the past have been his own making. |
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Fallon has to be in the top 3 flat jockeys of all time and has certainly been my favourite jockey on the flat but anyone with half a brain can see he is not what he was,even you ima surely !
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Fallon has to be in the top 3 flat jockeys of all time and has certainly been my favourite jockey on the flat but anyone with half a brain can see he is not what he was,even you ima surely !
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CUFC - Top 10 might even be pushing it if we're talking of 'all time' jockeys...even though I've been a big fan of Fallon since he proved me wrong many years ago when I didn't think he had not just the temperament but the natural ability/talent for the Cecil job...I conceded within a couple of years of that appointment that I was talking through my arse!
I've always believed Johnny Murtagh was one of the best I've seen over the last 35+ years and it seemed to be only in the twilight of his career that he gained such recognition. To be honest, I though that when Nick Mackay was an apprentice he was the next great pilot so you guys shouldn't take any notice of the balls I write! In hindsight, I reckon I was pocket talking as I had many big priced winners with him aboard that won me quite a few quid on a regular basis. |
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PS - as regards Mackay...he was a fantastic apprentice around 2003/4 and he was riding with huge confidence which makes ALL the difference - so many of his rides were straightforwardly ridden which alas, seems a rarity.
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The sign of greatness is winning races that you shouldn't and fallons the only jockey I've seen do that,different class to the likes of moore hughes,eddery etc different level..
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I would have murtagh in my 1st 7 aswell as Moore,kinane and dettori,can just about remember cauthan,fallon is a bit like McCoy,he used to get horses up that no one else could have !
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drlovepants 19 Oct 14 18:02
And the award for pedantic tw@t of the week goes to..... LOL trust you not to see the obvious! OK let's just say Southampton beat Sunderland 2-0 and I described that as a total annihilation, humiliation and hammering then would you be a "pedantic tw@t" if you merely pointed that whilst it was certainly a defeat, it's a bit OTT to call it all of those, just as it is to call Fallon a shadow of his former self? On the other hand, 8-0 would actually be accurate and all of those things above! cufcno1 20 Oct 14 00:47 Fallon has to be in the top 3 flat jockeys of all time and has certainly been my favourite jockey on the flat but anyone with half a brain can see he is not what he was,even you ima surely ! I've conceded that he's not in his prime but for the vast majority of jockeys it's far more about the horse than the jockey and if the horse is good enough then so is Fallon. You don't win the 2000gns at 40/1 by luck but the horse was good enough on the day and so was the jockey and has gone on to run very well since to suggest it was no fluke either. Andrew Mullen is hardly seen as a star name jockey by punters and not considered as high profile as Ryan Moore or Jamie Spencer but all 3 won big races at Woodbine yesterday and presumably because all 3 horses were good enough, yet if you swapped every ride Moore and Mullen have had this season then I still expect Mullen to have ridden plenty of Moore's winners because the horse will have been better class than he usually rides. Navel-Gazer 20 Oct 14 01:35 PS - as regards Mackay...he was a fantastic apprentice around 2003/4 and he was riding with huge confidence which makes ALL the difference - so many of his rides were straightforwardly ridden which alas, seems a rarity. Nick Mackay has suffered from what I have been saying regarding Oisin Murphy that the crunch comes once these top apprentices lose their claim and can't offer weight concessions to trainers, whereas the next batch of apprentices can and newly fully fledged jockeys can't offer the experience of more established ones either. Just as important is getting the right high profile job too and I dare say if you put Mackay or Rab Havlin on every John Gosden hotpot horse then they would both have a similar level of success as either Jimmy Fortune or William Buick. As would David Probert, where both he and Buick made a name for themselves at Andrew Balding's and it could just as easily have been Probert going to Gosden's if basing it on riding success alone. |
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You are a fuuckin clown,don't bother with a reply !
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Surprising response from you there cufcno1 and think what I wrote was perfectly reasonable and you seem to be in agreement with it too but obviously don't seem to realise it.
Feel free to explain the difference between you saying "he is not what he was" and me agreeing by saying "he's not in his prime" and think maybe you might need to take more water with it in future. |
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I have watched too many races this season and thought to myself that was Piss poor from Fallon,why on earth you start going on about sunderland and Southampton has nothin to do with horse racing,are you zodiac's brother ?
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Piss poor from Fallon or the horse he was riding? Any specific examples too or is this merely a sweeping generalisation?
The post about Sunderland and Southampton wasn't really meant for you (the clue was I had quoted who it was for) and that was the person suggesting I was being pedantic about taking issue over the use of the phrase "shadow of his former self" which I feel is a gross exaggeration and so then gave my own example of one regarding Southampton v Sunderland. It's called an analogy. Apart from anything else, when you are judging an individual sport then you are solely comparing a competitor then and now and nothing else, so if you were to say he was a shadow of his former self then that is fair enough but when it's a sport that depends on other factors and not just the individual it's an entirely different matter, which is why someone like Michael Schumacher, one of the greatest F1 drivers ever didn't retire first time around and forget everything to do with driving and that's why his comeback wasn't as successful, it's because he no longer had the best car any more. If Ryan Moore decided next season he was mainly only going to ride his Dad's runners from now in a similar way that Joseph O'Brien mainly rides just his Dad's and so got nowhere near his normal totals, nor a sniff at a classic or Gr1 winner then would he suddenly become a shadow of his former self or would you say he didn't have the ammo like before? It is, always has been and always will be far more about the horses than the jockeys and it's getting a bit tedious having to keep repeating that. |
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thegiggilo
I could not agree with you more, the best since Lester and while its true his best is a stranger to him , the nonsense he is accused of with regard to cheating is just absurd in the extreme. |
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What I admire about KF is that he's always been so clean, never needed to throw a race for the sake of a quick buck and never ever been involved in controversy.
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Yes,
Apart from the Stuart Webster incident I'm struggling to think of any other controversies he's been involved in. |
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Yes apart from the ballinger ridge.....henry cecil....and too many more to mention...
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Top Cees and the court case involving discredited witness Derek Thompson.
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