what odds fallon retires very , very soon

No he is Not,
And I know his next Move.

Why should he retire?

The sooner he retires the better.....a most vile individual....

seems to be sick quite a lot.

Take the 1.01, retires about 10pm with a Horlicks, and you know who.

As in what odds the 49 year old, a 30 or so year riding career Fallon retires very soon?

I'd say there was a fairly good chance of that.

Any 1.05 about

May as well retire with all of the 'sickies' he pulls.

What's the next move then Sid ?

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sir Michael stoute take note when you are no longer up there retire gracefully

Its easy Money, that's the Problem.

I could have sworn Fallon won a classic this season as well as about half a dozen other group races and is very likely to improve on last season's number of winners too.

I'm equally sure Stoute also just won a Gr1 the other week too, which wasn't his first of the season either and has also won around a dozen group races in total this season including having 3 at Royal Ascot, so I'm not sure exactly what these jockeys and trainers have to do not to be written off really.

And now you have it;
"I'd like to go back to California, which I intend doing in the next couple of weeks, just to try and get the buzz back again.

"Things really haven't happened in the second half of this year and you get a bit stale.

"Going out there where I've spent a lot of years and I've been quite successful...it's a beautiful place, California.

"I've always wanted to go there and kind of stay there, but there was always something here for me to come back to.

"Now, there doesn't seem to be a lot to come back to, so if I had a chance of staying there, I probably would.

Always looking for that buzz, you have to fear for him when he does retire.

yes, I fear for poor thing,

what will he do with all that money

In over 50 years of of backing horses almost on a daily basis only Lester has achieved legendary status but in my opinion only Fallon in his peak years run the big man close.

I wish Fallon all the best, its worth saying nobody who mattered or who have made a significant mark on racing have ever believed the childish and moronic accusations that have so unjustly been leveled at him in recent times.

I think Bin Suroor has shown himself to be the clown that many have suspected him of being, his treatment of Fallon has been nothing short of being grossly insulting and perhaps the courage of an explanation is at the very least in order but Fallon's many fans will not be holding their breath, its just another episode in the tragic decline of a stables that is urgently in need of some intelligent thought and proper management in all ares of its operation.

If somebody asked me, who were the jockeys that really made the difference between winning and losing on many horses then I would have to say Piggot, Fallon, and McCoy were head and shoulders above the rest.
Anyway, good luck to him and thank for the many great days he has given me.

So anyone who has a different opinion from your esteemed self moondan is "moronic and childish"?
Such 24carat pomposity, have you ever considered a career as an MP?
I agree that KF was one of the most talented jockeys ever to pull on a pair of silks and on a going day was just about unbeatable, especially around Epsom Downs, but your assertion that no-one in racing who matters has ever believed any of the accusations levelled against him, I dont see it myself.
There has been a bad smell following that fellow around ever since his days with the Ramsdens, not all of it justified but it can't all be wrong can it?

I thought moondan said the accusations were "childish and moronic" and an Old Bailey judge seemed to agree when the case was laughed out of court.

moondan to be fair to Bin Suroor he gave Fallon a chance that his level of riding didn't really deserve at the time. Moore has got on 4 for the stable this season and won on 3 of them. Hughes has got on 17 and won on 8. That's the kind of level Fallon used to be able to achieve but it just isn't there these days.

Godolphin as an operation has a lot of issues without doubt. Bringing in Fallon has a number one jockey was never the answer though.

There was nothing wrong with Fallon's level or riding and SBS didn't just give Fallon mounts starting this season, he's been riding plenty of Godolphin horses and winning plenty of big races for them for a few seasons now and often winning on the lesser fancied ones either in the same race as stablemate or at the alternative meetings. A Royal Ascot winner and 5 group wins for the stable this season and 4 group wins for them last season suggests Fallon hasn't done too badly anyway.

Not exactly comparing like with like either Marcee considering Godolphin have hit form recently having been out of form for a while and especially when they had the 5 winners the other day and the one Fallon got on and won at 9/1 was a FTO 3YO, whereas Moore's winner for them the same day was 4/9f.

Looking at winners alone is never the only indication anyway and that Moore winner had run 2nd the time before and was a 2YO in a 7f race where you imagine Moore has never sat on it but was a fairly uncomplicated point and shoot ride, compared to Fallon who rides work for the yard and knows the horses and getting a FTO winning 3YO over 12f is likely to require a bit more.

hes trying stateside?

Marcce,

not sure those figures are correct but I would still argue that Fallon would have won on those rides as well.

My gripe is that Bin Suroor held court on tv in the early part of the season stating that Fallon would be playing a major part in the riding plans of the season while the search went on for a top class replacement to Frankie.
Fallon gets on their so called main hope but it disappointed in its races but you could say that about all their runners and being somebody that follows and hasw made quite a nice return on the stable runners for 6-8 years this season has been their worst on record and it was obvious that most of their runners were not seeing out their races in the first 3-4 months of the season as if they were under a cloud.
Its only in recent weeks that things have been looking up but they are still searching for a group1 winner this year.
I think Bin Suroor needs to explain the classless way he has treated his proper number 1 De sousa who has been humiliated by this clown.
They may well be looking for replacements but they will never get Hughes or Moore so whats that all about.
Not having a proper number 1 in a stable who gets to know the horses is amateur to say the least and from the outside it appears the stable is just becoming a joke.
Put Fallon on any good horse up to the job and he will do the business, Bin Suroor has rarely done that and that should be taken into account.

As for the playground gossip and those that see what they want to see rather than what is actually there its a very interesting and telling fact that Fallon rode for all the very best and that says so much.

ima I'm afraid your usual easy to be pleased attitude towards Fallon hasn't been enough for Bin Suroor and indeed for Fallon himself. A Royal Ascot handicap winner along with a few group races isn't enough for that stable. It's not Johnny Portman's stable we're talking about here. Unlike you Fallon knows it's not been enough.

"It (this season) started really good, but it turned out not so good. It didn't pick up like I thought it might.

"We struggled for winners and things didn't happen for me like it used to. If things are going to go really well you need to be making things happen and I wasn't and obviously that's why it's thinned out a bit.

"I'd like to go back to California, which I intend doing in the next couple of weeks, just to try and get the buzz back again.

"Things really haven't happened in the second half of this year and you get a bit stale.

"Going out there where I've spent a lot of years and I've been quite successful...it's a beautiful place, California.

"I've always wanted to go there and kind of stay there, but there was always something here for me to come back to.

"Now, there doesn't seem to be a lot to come back to, so if I had a chance of staying there, I probably would.

"Without Night Of Thunder and without probably Saeed (bin Suroor) this year, I'd have been dead, as I didn't really have much else apart from midweek winners.

"If you're not riding good winners on the big day, it fizzles out. That's why I think it's time to go back to America, to see can I do something there.''

You keep telling me looking at winners alone is never the only indication which strangely is something I said to you regarding Murphy a while back and you haven't stopped using it since. I'm also well aware of the rides Fallon has had for Godolphin in previous years. There's little at best that you can tell me that I don't already know. Godolphin hitting form is a moot point. Of the jockeys with double figure amounts of rides for Bin Suroor this season, Fallon has the lowest strike rate apart from Bentley and Atzeni who weirdly hasn't managed a winner for them. Were all the jockeys with higher strike rates than Fallon riding them when they were supposedly in form?

Purely from a Godolphin point of view, in my opinion they need to make the UK operation leaner. They should start by having only one stable to try and cut away the large numbers of very average horses they have. They then need to attract one of the very top jockeys to ride for them. Unfortunately, that wouldn't be Fallon. The association between them merely served to show how far both of them have fallen down their respective ranks in recent years.

did a genius job for ,o,brien stoute ,cecil.

Wille Carson did a genius job for the trainers and owners he rode for deadbrain ( I can never get over how apt your username is).

I wouldn't be putting Carson up on anything now though.

Let's hope he goes to the U.S and never comes back. In his prime produced a number of brilliant rides, now average at best. Sadly, always been a jockey you couldn't trust.

There have been many occasions since the disappointment of true story where Fallon has been at meetings when he has been overlooked by Bin Suroor and on the odd occasion when he has been given a ride its been a no hoper.
In the past week or so he has ridden 2 winners for him but has had few chances overall.

Something changed around mid August moondan. Fallon had still been getting most of the big rides till then though was hardly ever used on their 2 year olds which was a little bit strange.

The thing is with Fallon there's always something liable to be lurking in the background. Around that time he went back to his old habit of missing meetings again. Was he not turning up to ride work in the mornings? Who knows? He fell out of favour shortly after riding Cavalryman at Goodwood which indicates there was something else going on there.

"Take the 1.01, retires about 10pm with a Horlicks, and you know who"
Has he got a new 'You know who' Milkshake is long gone.

Saeed bin Suroor - Not even One Group 1 Winner in Europe this year, says it all really.

Marcce,

I think it was going wrong much earlier than that and my own impression was Bin Suroor was looking for scapegoats to hide his own shortcomings.
I dont have the figures but since true story failed in the important races it has seemed to me that Fallon has ridden very little for him almost as if it was a punishment and if I had to come up with a reason for Fallons discontent I would suggest the lack of backing from the Godolphin regime was the chief reason.

I would love it to go back to a one stable operation as covering all their horses in some races has put the gamble back into the certainty of what was a certain profit of a few seasons ago.
Love to know the breakdown of who had what rides this year, certainly it has bbeen my impression that Fallon has had the fewest rides on those that had the better chances.

In the past 5 years he has earnt at least £7,868,548 (R.Post)
He has Property in England and Ireland,
Hardly down to his last £.

The most Valuable Maiden in the UK is the Convivial at York £40,000 ($65,000) Cry
America has $85,000+ Maiden races Every Week. Laugh

He's been rich for a long time, I'd be surprised if he's chasing money.

He wants to be competitive and one of the top boys imo, and why wouldn't he? it's extremely unlikely that he can do that here now, he'll do well if he's serious about going and they let him ride over there.

You make it sound Marcee as if SBS branch of of Godolphin has only gone to pot since Fallon became jockey when it's obvious they have been in the doldrums for years. If he's not had a Gr1 winner in the UK this season then they've not all been ridden by Fallon so other jockeys are obviously getting beaten in them on his horses too.

Many other jockeys who ride for a stable have a better SR for them than the stable jockey mainly due to the fact the stable jockey has to ride almost all of them, the good and bad ones, so your point on that is a bit of a generally meaningless one, just as mine would be if I pointed out that Fallon has a 50% SR for Barry Hills, 50% for Alan Swinbank, 38% for Mick Easterby, 27% for Roger Varian (Atzeni has 19% for him) as if that proves anything.

As far as Murphy goes, all I ever said was that it remained to be seen how he gets on once he lost his claim and going up to the next level would all depend on getting the right job and nothing on that has changed.

Hopefully when the dirty thing does pisss off to the states..... he will bring that pest John O Hara with him.....

I'll be surprised if Fallon can build up any following in the states at his age - perhaps when at the peak of his powers he would have attracted the attention of some of the bigger stables but it seems a forlorn hope now and i think his stint over there will amount to nothing more than a short sabbatical - unfortunately the inevitable decline happens to all but the fall from grace is always exacerbated when you have been at the very top

He`s got a 50+ Stable lined up for rides,
When he`s finished riding, he will start Training

Fallons riding skills have regressed greatly as was shown with his ride on Rite to Reign at Haydock today.

"....... he'll do well if he's serious about going and they let him ride over there."

he's definitely serious about going to America.  how it will all work out (? ?). anyone's guess.  Fallon is Fallon, been his own worst enemy in the past.  was a brilliant jockey at his best.

moondan there could be something in the True Story theory given that the last time Fallon rode him was around 2 weeks or so before York and it was the Ebor meeting where the first cracks seemed to appear. Most notably when Fallon wasn't on Tasaday having won on her the time before.

ima that's not what I'm saying at all. I've already said I believe Godolphin need to make changes to the UK operation. I can't believe they've allowed it to become the bloated mess that it has and all they're doing is stacking up more and more average horses year on year. To me though Fallon in his best years would not have wanted to hook up with Bin Suroor as he now is. Likewise Bin Suroor in his pomp wouldn't have looked to Fallon as he is now to be his number one jockey. The fact that the association did happen says everything about where their current standing is imo.

pls lethim go there and take hes mate there with him franky, thereis a lot of coke out there , u talk about good jockys who can ride 2 winners every day , but tham two can notride  1 winner a week let em go , let the yanks have the to coke heads

paulie wallnuts 17 Oct 14 17:08 
Hopefully when the dirty thing does pisss off to the states..... he will bring that pest John O Hara with him.....

I'm actually quite envious of you paulie numbnuts as it must be lovely not to have a care in the world and live life in ignorance lol.

Jack Flash 17 Oct 14 19:56 
Fallons riding skills have regressed greatly as was shown with his ride on Rite to Reign at Haydock today.

Like I said before, this place is always good for a laugh.

There was nothing at all wrong with that ride and he was well clear of the 3rd and had it been 2nd beaten 4L then nobody would bat an eyelid, yet because he kept a poor horse with 1 win from 10 now and previously beaten under Moore, Hughes and James Doyle amongst others, in with a chance for so long and even seemed to conjure up another run once it looked beaten, he obviously committed the cardinal sin with posters on here and went close to winning a race that he really shouldn't have done and therefore must mean his riding has declined.

I was hearing all of the same things just before he won the 2000gns this season funnily enough.

I don't disagree Marcee with any of what you say about Fallon/SBS and where they are at their careers and the limited opportunities, it's just that I find it amusing that some seem to suggest that if another jockey wins later on a horse Fallon previously rode how that must clearly mean something reflecting negatively on Fallon, yet today I can think of at least 3 runners he has ridden once and won on so a 100% record including up to Gr1 level that have been beaten since when ridden by SDS, Buick, Barzalona, Hughes and Moore so does that then suddenly reflect positively on him and negatively on all of the others?

What I've maintained all along is that riding ability wiose there's very little in it between the top notch jockeys and that bar a error of judgement, if the horse is good enough then so is the jockey and that includes Fallon too.

some idiot on here getting carson mixed up with fallon, oh dear.

Lowest form of humanity......America isn't half far enough away.....hopefully ima nutter will go with him.....

Glug Glug... (hic).. dehydrate.. phone in sick..

When you've been at the very top trying to adjust to a lower level is very hard.  For Fallon now it must be like an ex-Premier Leaugue footballer ending up in a team at the bottom League One.  His best years are behind him.  A lot to be said for getting out at the right time. 

I think he is finding his current situation not easy to take, and a pic of being stuck in traffic on his twitter page, probably finding the daily grind of travelling getting to him, ....and the sickies, phone in sick.  Going to America, a last throw of the dice now.  Don't like him much as a person, but as a jockey at his best, would always rate him very highly indeed.

M/s Balding says she has spoken to him and he says that too much has been made of it. His intention and is only to go to California for the winter to ride work.