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panic
29 Sep 14 08:45
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I quite often take a look at the results on Timeform/Betfair to see how low a horse went in running and how high the winners were matched at. However looking the result for the last at Epsom yesterday it says Aqua Ardens was matched at a high in running of 15 when I personally got matched for £2 at 30.0, as I backed the first three favs at that price being all held up horses in what was likely to be a scramble at the end. Do Timeform only show the highest price in running to a certain amount of money matched so that my £2 wouldn't register or do they get this wrong quite often and looking at these in running prices is pointless? I also laid the field in running @ £10 each for 1.4 and four got matched, all of which show up on the results correctly.

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By:
onlooker
When: 29 Sep 14 08:59
They used to - automatically - put up the Highest/Lowest Priced Matched - even if it was only to a small amount.... so, consequently, those Prices appeared on the Results quite quickly.

Nowadays - There appears to be some monitoring of the 'In-Running' Markets, with - as you say - a MINIMUM amount then applied.

This, however, means that it takes a lot longer time for the Highest/Lowest Prices to appear on the Results.
By:
TheNorfolkMafia
When: 29 Sep 14 09:00
panic,

There's no point asking a sensible question on this forum!

We're all f*cking mad on here!
By:
panic
When: 29 Sep 14 09:11
Thanks Onlooker, I suppose it makes sense not to show small amounts but do you know or would have a guess at the amount they want to show matched before counting it in the results? I would prefer them just to show the highest matched in running prices as that is what they are saying and it doesn't bother me waiting until the next day for this info, as long as I know what they are showing is right.
By:
top2rated
When: 29 Sep 14 09:13
    EVENT_ID        MENU_HINT        EVENT_NAME        EVENT_DT        SELECTION_ID        SELECTION_NAME        FinPos        IPMIN        IPMAX        BSP   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        5928175        Aqua Ardens        1        1.01        15        6.87   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        7272363        Mime Dance        2        1.61        990        7.55   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        5789391        Ortac Rock        3        1.20        1000        7.65   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        6615099        Gigawatt        4        4.10        1000        25.66   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        6390349        Eastern Dragon        5        46.00        1000        38.00   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        5486052        Bayleyf        6        1.31        1000        17.22   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        5538110        Mister Musicmaster        7        4.10        1000        14.53   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        7547998        Charles Molson        8        14.50        1000        14.64   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        6382912        Birdman        9        7.20        1000        38.67   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        4781710        Dr Red Eye        10        7.20        1000        8.61   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        5524699        Brocklebank        11        9.00        1000        12.36   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        7262664        Ixelles Diamond        12        22.00        1000        14.50   
    115700115        GB / Epsm 28th Sep        7f Hcap        28/09/14 17:40        5549886        Intomist        13        32.00        1000        24.00   


    IPMAX        Maximum price placed in-play (only bets of a payout of more than GBP100 included)   
    IPMIN        Minimum price placed in-play (only bets of a payout of more than GBP100 included)   
By:
TheNorfolkMafia
When: 29 Sep 14 09:20
top2rated, is the cleverest person on the forum!

I love him!

Love
By:
panic
When: 29 Sep 14 09:34
Thanks top2rated, £100 payouts only included. Doesn't help us £2 punters much up to 50/1 but at least I know now. Where is this info from? I just use the Timeform results page.
By:
Carrera32
When: 29 Sep 14 09:40
Makes sense really. You often get some really big odds matched for pence and you wouldn't want those showing up.
By:
top2rated
When: 29 Sep 14 09:47
Final win and place Betfair Starting Prices for GB and Irish races are available for each day in the files here........

http://www.betfairpromo.com/betfairsp/prices/

These files also provide a range of other aggregated prices.

They are provided in comma-separated values (CSV) for each day (from around 06:30 the following day in my experience).

NB - The files are created the day after the actual races took place, i.e. Yesterday's data in files created 'Sep 29, 2014'.      

This format can be read in most spreadsheet programs.

The Betfair SPs are provided for each selection every day. Where there were no backers at SP, an SP of 1001 is shown.
By:
panic
When: 29 Sep 14 10:03
Thanks again top2rated, that will be helpful. The data seems to be pretty random though, is it not sorted by race time? I have only opened the UK win market file for yesterday and it seems to be all over the place.
By:
top2rated
When: 29 Sep 14 10:21
If you've opened the csv in a new spreadsheet just press Control and A to highlight everything.

Then sort data.....

MENU_HINT - Ascending
EVENT_DT - Ascending

That will arrange the data in meeting and race time order.
By:
panic
When: 29 Sep 14 11:25
Got it thanks!
By:
Deltâ
When: 29 Sep 14 11:40
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