Scottish Independence Referendum

scotland will use the £ and we will then bugger off, but that is another story, a lovely tweet has arrived confirming what i know is happening on the ground.

Andrew O'Malley ‏@OMalleyAndrew  2h
Unnamed MP from No tells @SkyNews that internal polling shows Yes lead. No are expecting to lose Aberdeen, Dundee and GLASGOW.

flip of a coin at the moment, but hard to tell as folk who are No are ashamed to admit it as they are basically saying that they think both they and their country are ****. Laugh

It's probably because they don't want to get in to conversations with people like you (which a lot of nationalists seem to come across like) who can't seem to accept other people could have another point of view without trying to insult them.

aye right you are real dude.

they are ashamed, years of voting labour turns you into a dependent, most labour voters would
struggle to tie their shoe laces without help from the state.

aberdonia..

I would love to lose Aberdeen.

You can buy and sell me (probably in the back streets of Aberdeen but that is another story) so multiply your wealth three times on here and show me your docket...

4.1 the mugs vote to leave.

homefortea, that is next on the agenda if the dependents win.

Independece for Aberdonia............... 

If the no lose Glasgow I will sign on....

Propaganda and you have been outed...

Post your docket on here showing that it is 50/50 when you can bet at 4.1.

Then I may have some respect.

Marcce, how do you propose the Yes camp can answer that question since the preferred option of using sterling would have to be, and can only be, negotiated AFTER a Yes vote?

So what you - and most No supporters - are saying is since you can´t answer an impossible question we should all vote No? No to political reform. No to having an election vote that actually means something. No to having a government that represents the interests of the people of Scotland for once. No to getting rid of nuclear weapons. No to PR. No to a fairer society. No to financial reforms. No to being rid of people like Cameron, Osborne, pawras and homefortea. I could go on...

glasgow is a cert to vote yes.

if they bet on cities to vote yes, chuck a few hundred on glasgow to vote yes.

the yes majority in glasgow will be higher than the yes majority in aberdeen imo.

aberdeen is hardly wall to wall yes, i've lived here all my life and plenty are voting no including your avatar willie miller, nobody can have I sense of whats on the ground as a lot of people are now staying quiet as it could turn toxic - it hasnt yet but there is a week to go and stakes can only get higher

they are ashamed, years of voting labour turns you into a dependent, most labour voters would
struggle to tie their shoe laces without help from the state.

Not sure how that fits in with the socialist land of milk and honey that the SNP have put forth in their little book.

ive seen barely no No posters in aberdeen, yes there are no voters in aberdeen, but they keep a low profile, as i said earlier they are normally dour, selfish im all right types.

they would vote tory if they were english.

mind you id vote tory if i was english.

You chancers have the best of both Worlds.Assuming you have cash you can triple your money on here or have a Scottish heaven.

A no brainer.

Happy days for the Sweaties...

If I did not know Alec better then I would swear that he set the whole gig up...

Why do so many people on here have absolutely no clue what socialism means? SD labels the SNP of being socialists - despite their intention of reducing corporation tax...

And pawras accuses Blair and Brown of implementing socialist policies for 13 years, despite inequality rising faster in their time than under Thatch.

separation is not about the snp

i will be voting for the right when we separate, but i respect everyone, be they right of left who
want scots to get off their arses and start dong things for themselves instead of blaming the poor
old english.

POST YOUR DOCKET ABERDONIA...

I would post mine but I make the No vote a 1/7 chance....

if you make it 1/7 hoover up the current odds on offer.

i dont bet on elections after losing a fortune backing john mccain to win Indiana in 2008.

you wouldnt make a good profiler aberdonia


dour - no im a optimist ive supported aberdeen for 45 years
selfish - id give my last penny to the right people/cause
never voted tory in my life and never will
i'm all right type - far from it for aberdeen im in the poor category

just because there are not a lot of NO posters in aberdeen means
jack sh*t most people don't need to shout out their voting intentions hence why the better campaign support is holding and could be a force come the 18th who knows? Its tight and whatever happens there is a lot of bridge building to be done all over.

Why do so many people on here have absolutely no clue what socialism means? SD labels the SNP of being socialists - despite their intention of reducing corporation tax...

I'm not labelling them anything. Their white paper set out a number of revolutionary 'social polices' which hardly makes the no voters the ones who are dependant and need all their help from the state.

Why do you keep banging on about the fact that the Yes camp can't give an answer on the currency until negotiations after a vote but then say a yes vote is a vote to end to nuclear weapons as if that isn't completely up for negotiation and dependant on who is voted in at the next election as well?

if you vote labour you should be ashamed.

poverty increased in there term in power
the gap between the poor and the rich increased
millions of civilians were killed in illegal wars
gordon brown raided the pensions of ordinary citizens
and the uk was banrupted to the point where it is trillions in debt
labour voters in glasgow will live shortet lives than folk in Gaza

i could go on, and on and on

voting labour kills you.

their

everything is up for negotiations shrewd dude,


you have already seen the westminster parties cave in when the polls tightened.

TiptheOdds like so many of the important issues the yes side are basically telling everyone to vote yes and then the important details will be sorted out afterwards. Sharing the pound is fraught with danger for both an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK. Up until the second tv debate Salmond didn't seem to have any coherent plan for what will happen if that option isn't actually available. If that option is able to be negotiated after a yes vote it is not going to be on Scotland's terms. There absolutely had to be some sort of alternative plan in place.

I'm not Scottish. When all this came about I happened to think Scotland had a diverse enough economy to go it alone but there has been absolutely nothing said by the yes side that convinces me they have any idea how to make an independent Scotland work.

All the things you speak of being in control of are admirable but quite simply the yes side are falling down on simple financial questions. All the momentum behind a yes vote is being driven by the country never having a tory government again. The reality is this is far too important to be won and lost on soundbite politics such as that.

Marcce, the pound has been falling on currency markets just on the possibility of a Yes vote and Scotland leaving sterling. If independence is confirmed the run on the pound will only get worse unless Westminster and Edinburgh agree on a mutually beneficial arrangement. This will be in both party´s interests so neither will have such an advantage imo.

Also, there is the little matter of resiting Trident. The Scottish govt are saying they will demand a timescale of max 2 years but the MOD have said it may take 10 years to identify and build a suitable alternative base (presumably somewhere in Wales). Without nuclear weapons the UK could lose its place at the UN security council so Scotland´s government will have a big bargaining chip with that one.

SD, the SNP have made it clear they will demand the removal of nuclear weapons. Do you really think that any other party can unseat them in the 2016 election?

2016 will be Year Zero for the Scottish Labour and Tory parties...

Just seen this comment on the Guardian site :

If Jonathan and Edward make Jedward, does David, Nick and Ed make Dick Ed?

Yes it's possible. So the SNP will be negotiating on certain matters and making demands on others? We'll see how that works out.

TiptheOdds financial markets don't like uncertainty. There is nothing to say the pound has been falling on the possibility of Scotland leaving sterling. Indeed there's more of an argument to say the markets have reacted to the uncertainty of what the basis would be for an independent Scotland retaining the pound.

As for trident this article from a few months back explains it pretty well.

Wiggle room – it's a brilliant little political trick. The skill is twofold: to create a promise so grand that voters buy it, while keeping detail sufficiently loose that there's room for manoeuvre later on.
If it works, a politician can both have his cake and eat it, gaining the electoral advantages of a populist stance while not being tied down by pesky promises. He can create the illusion of a pledge without actually making one.
Over the weekend, wiggle room sprung back to mind. A fierce row bubbled up over an unnamed UK minister's comments on the negotiations that would follow Scottish independence. "Of course" Britain would agree to sharing the pound if Scotland left, they declared, prompting jaws to drop in Westminster and gleeful smiles in the Yes camp. But the next bit has been less covered … because "the UK wants to keep Trident nuclear weapons at Faslane".
When pressed, the SNP rejected that its stance – removing Trident within the first parliament after independence – would be up for debate. "Our opposition to nuclear weapons is not a campaign tactic or a negotiations position," Alex Salmond told Sky. "I came into politics with the objective of getting Trident and nuclear missiles out of Scottish waters," said John Swinney, the Finance Minister. Nicola Sturgeon, the Deputy First Minister, even tweeted a photo of the "timetable" for removal in the White Paper.
And here's where wriggle room comes into it. Listening to SNP leaders in speeches and interviews, you would be led to believe that Trident will definitely go within the first parliament of an independent Scotland. But actually looking at the White Paper – the SNP's 670-page blueprint for independence, its manifesto for life after Yes – reveals a different story.
Here's the White Paper pledge on Trident: "Following a vote for independence, we would make early agreement on the speediest safe removal of nuclear weapons
a priority. This would be with a view to the removal of Trident within the first term of the Scottish Parliament following independence."
Two phrases are key – "speediest safe removal" and "with a view to". They're not chosen lightly. In fact both are repeated numerous times in the document in reference to Trident – "speediest safe removal" gets three mentions , as does "with a view to". There are plenty more synoymous versions of those words too.
Why does that matter? Firstly, because it shows those phrases are carefully picked. And secondly, it allows the SNP to give the perception of promising a timetable on Trident when it actually has nothing of the sort. They want a speedy removal. They hope it'll be soon after independence. But, clear as daylight, there is no binding promise on timings.
There's a reason for this of course: finding a new home for Britain's multi-billion pound nuclear deterrent won't happen overnight. Sir David Omand, ex-GCHQ boss and the UK Government's top intelligence civil servant after 9/11, said the ability to move Trident by the end of the first parliament is "open to doubt". He called that timescale "extremely tight".
The White Paper does quote one source on this. The Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, a body created solely for decommissioning the likes of Trident, says it can be scrapped in two years. It's safe to say others disagree.
The point is this – there's deliberate wiggle room. Read the White Paper – look at each of the 34 mentions of Trident in the SNP's own manifesto for independence – and one clear fact emerges, one that must be made plain to Scots before the referendum. Vote Yes, and there is no guarantee Trident will be gone by the end of the first parliament.
Conversely, Osborne, Balls and Danny Alexander have been categorical about sharing the pound: no ifs, no buts, it's not going to happen. There would be no waiting round to see what happens with Trident. Salmond can wiggle and wriggle all he likes, they say: Downing Street calls the shots on a currency union, and the answer is no.

rumours RBS is going south in event of vote
to add to slife and lloyds and the ball is rolling

TipTheOdds to be honest I’m not sure what the last labour government was, they weren’t old fashioned socialist (which I can respect but disagree with) but they weren’t right wing either, they were the worst creed of all “the liberal left”.
They f&cked the private pension system within a year of getting into office, sold much of our gold like it was everything’s pound shop, increased benefits so that the thick/lazy don’t want to work element have no incentive to get off their arses, overall taxation went up to finance such client voters, didn’t allow incompetent banks to fail, sold us even further down the river into the hands of the eu/fourth reich,  allowed in millions of foreigners with alien values to our own like an invading army.
It’s not that I’m automatically inclined to vote for Cameron , I just hate those c&&ts even more.

To be honest if Scotland go for independence and implement a form of true conservatism with scotland’s interest at heart first and foremost and people are expected/forced to get off their ar&es then they’ll have my best wishes. But I really don’t see that happening, I just envisage even greater mismanagement than we've got.
See my previous post re factors not being set until well after the event so no one knows how it’ll really pan out but you'd could pretty much bet the croft you won't get a currency union because it would be political suicide for any party here to agree to it and when it comes down to brass tacks you can't 'force' us.

F U C K off Scotland were all voting yes.
The fecked up druggie, your raving alcoholic " I hate the English bastards but every fortnight they send up the money, i'm voting no".
Salmond your finished they'll all sell their arse for threepence a week.

As a supporter of Independence I find it deplorable that a "wimp" from CANADA viz Mark Carney can come over here and basically influence the vote in Scotland...he should get back to his own country and berate his own citizens about their own big problem, i.e. yearly slaughter of seals. Secondly, I would ask everyone sympathetic to the cause of Scotland to boycott BP outlets throughout the UK....simply by filling up elsewhere...its that easy.

Poco feck you the sh1t hole'll be like a desert with a yes vote

The c u n t talking about seals, we're talking about 300yrs of a union. Knobhead

The ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND will move their HEADQUARTERS from Edinburgh to London if a "yes" vote prevails. I have heard of treachery in the past but their decision to leave Scotland must be the biggest back stabbing act of all time. I will close my account with them before the end of this week and I would implore anyone who is in a position to be able to do so to phone their branch TOMORROW and tell them they are all a bunch of hypocritical creeps....their behaviour towards ALL CITIZENS of the UK is reprehensible.

Seen as it's now owned by the UK taxpayer what do you expect?????????????
If you want you'll have to buy it simple as that.

I`ll be boycotting all these companies, regardless of the outcome of the vote, that have threatened to withdraw from Scotland in the hope that the eeijits up here believe them and succumb to their scaremongering tactics.

RBS in no more Scottish than the Queen is

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What do you expect, they are all money grabbing filth, no loyalty anymore its all about that £ sign.

Sorry about that, accidently clicked that idiots post before posting, the post was aimed at RBS moving to london

Companies who, within the UK, have had the easiest ride of any companies in the history of mankind announce they will stay in the UK.

Is anybody shocked about this?

These banks are allowed to do whatever they want in the name of profit and growth. They can seemingly break the law, rig markets and allegedly bully companies into liquidation so another arm of the bank can pick up the assets cheaply.

If caught, they might have to pay some of their ill-gotten gains back as a fine. Nobody goes to jail. If they turn a profit, they keep it. If it goes t1ts up, they bully the govt and get hundreds of billions of printed money to keep them afloat.

Haven't we been done over enough by these ****s? It has to stop. We cannot put the considerations of corporations that ****ed the country ahead of what is best for everyone in the long term.

see we can agree on something

the government owned banks,lloyds and rbs both say will move to london if a yes vote,i wonder who told them to put that statement out

losing waitrose will be hard to accept for some

The trouble with this Country is that too many half-wits are allowed a voice.

I concur. I came to that conclusion the second time I read one of your posts. That was when you were Norma of course.

Alias...do you have any green left on "Yes"?

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rumours RBS is going south in event of vote
to add to slife and lloyds and the ball is rolling


JESUS WEPT. STOP relying on right wing unionist media. The truth is, RBS MAY move their nominal HQ. They've said in a letter to employees TODAY that there will NO job losses and that normal banking will continue as before.

Standard Life. They have reliable form. Before both Devo referendums in '79 and 97, they threatened the same. Banners in windows saying "vote No", threats of losing jobs etc etc. No won in '79 (the **** 40/60) and Yes/Yes won in 97. Standard life have both shed jobs ANYWAY and are still in Edinburgh ANYWAY. They and the others will do what they want anyway, independent or not.

Lloyds moving to London. ROFLMAO! Their head office has been in London for 100 YEARS ffs.

The reports have of course been twisted by the unionist/establishment media. At the same time, it was predictable that these entities would begin to squeal at the prospect of not having a Tory govt more often than not. Shameless political moves by the very companies who've been shafting us all for decades. Cynical, lying b@stards.

When you consider that only ONE paper, the Sunday Herald, has declared for Yes, it is utterly amazing that the polls are so close. One look at the likes of the Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph etc and you'd think they were on a war footing, such is the vitriol aimed at Salmond in particular. Funny how they never mention the Greens for example, or the dozens of ex Labour officials for Yes, or the two former Libdem MPs etc etc. Selective, mendacious and vicious reporting. As I've said before, the dirty tricks are about to get serious.

sofia, I laid No at 1.16 and 1.17 as I've said often enough. I now have a very comfortable position, and no, I won't post bets. Never have, never will.

Anyone who is influenced by the companies who destroyed the economy and the man who failed to regulate them needs their head read.

Alias..easy tiger..I didn't request any bets to be posted.

OK sk. In any case, those who've done it in the past are usually derided as fakers by detractors, so no point anyway.

All I'd add is that I did suggest to friends that 1.16/1.17, even 1.2 was ridiculously low, and so it proved over the weekend.

Still waiting for the MI5/NSA leaked scandal story about Alec Salmond appearing in the Daily Mail...any day now.

Frankie Boyle's line about a drunk salmond stumbling around kicking wing-mirrors off parked cars in a weeks time was amusing.

As most of the population are over 60 and the percentage of votes in that age group favours a NO vote the chances look good to stay in. I doubt the pollsters have visited the pensioners at their home addresses so the true picture will not emerge until voting day. The bank workers will probably vote to stay in for fear of relocation or losing their jobs.

Voter registration figures are out today. My colleague Libby Brooks has sent us this.

A total of 4,285,323 people – about 97% of the adult population – have registered to vote in the Scottish independence referendum next week, making this the largest electorate the country has ever known for any election or referendum.

The figures include 118,640 voters who have registered in the last month alone, since August 1, as well as 789,024 postal voters. A total of 164, 829 voters have been added to the register since March 1 this year.

Must be some duplicate voters then. The same thing happens in Birmingham!!

imperial march glasgae labour MPs


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=720408611340179

enjoy.

Salmond handing the bbc man his arse.


http://youtu.be/rHmLb-RIbrM

Alex Salmond. Will be hung drawn and quartered if the Yes Vote wins! It will then become apparent how the lemmings have followed the fat blusterer over the cliff. He is just out to be lauded and has no idea what he us doing. Sixteen year olds being allowed a vote? A disgraceful move.He will pay fir his idiocy when reality huts home. Vote No. You know it makes sense.

rubbish roy, he could have been a labour mp in weegieland if he wanted to be lauded. probably would have led that horrible party


all the media, print and broadcast in scotland are anti SNP, he gets called allsorts by allsorts.

I am still convinced that yes is leading and will win, not long now to find out if scotland will be like Norway, Denmark and Sweden.

not long now to find out if scotland will be like Norway

Scotland could never be like Norway (I know I've lived both countries) -try selling 50% taxation to the Scots

dont bother with facts ...yessers dont do facts

we will all be millionairs

just bring a wheelbarrow on the 19th

what sad cnts no voters are.

im convinced they cant do the toilet by themselves.

mandarin.

ive lived in Norway.

they earn 3 times as much as your average brit.

I have no gripe with Scotland or it's people, but it will never be like Sweden (and i'm Cornish)

aberdonian, you'll also know if youve lived in Norway that that oil wealth doesnt dribble down to the man in the street. In fact it annoys the hell out of most Norwegians that its all stored in the oil fund for future generations.

I'll stick by my comment, Scotland could never be another Norway.

But I wish Scotland well if they break loose

ive lived in Norway.

they earn 3 times as much as your average brit.


I'm a regular visitor to Oslo with many Norwegian friends and the above is incorrect. Whilst they are highly paid, the figure is nowhere near 3 x a Brit salary.

Average monthly salary NOK 36,700 (€ 4588)
• The 10% best paid average NOK 71,400 (€ 8925) per month
• The 10% least paid average NOK 20,600(€ 2575) per month

Average income tax is 28% (24.5%)
• The National Insurance contribution is 7.8% of gross salary.

Andrew, lets not forget general rate of vat in Norway is around 25%. Makes it one hell of an expensive country

Cant imagine the Scots queuing for their hard liquor either

Jim Swift is Worth a listen if you're a undecided voter.

http://id-id.fb.me/pages/I-believe-in-the-United-Kingdom/226791517500237

Have they fecked off yet

Re my time in Norway i can confirm that norwegians are lazy as phuck, workshy and pull sickies all the time.

we in the north east always hated being paired with a Norwegian as you would have to do your job and theirs.

my swedish mates still regret telling them to phuck off in the early 1900s though

Scots wouldn't like Sweden, expensive alcohol, no spirits or wine in supermarkets and a systembolaget (off licence) with limited opening hours

yes i know, over here in Aberdeen, the swedes go mad.

3 drinks are they are falling the over

in english.

3 drinks and they are falling over.

scotland would have been far richer than norway had it voted for independence 20 years ago, and that is a fact !

instead off happy hour they have after work hour the girls get trays off shots and are pissed in an hour , nicker at ankles pmsl

Big Mart, yes norwegian girls are very easy and very pretty.

TAXI FOR NORWAY

Give it up aberdonia...

You are becoming a joke and I am still waiting for you to pm me a bank statement...

"Buy and sell me" indeed...

Do I look like a rent boy in an Aberdeen strip

Marcce, Re. your post yesterday evening at 10:17, where was it first published?
TIA

I dunno why those who say they have dosh are so keen to vote yes cos I very very strongly suspect you'll end up with bigger tax bills to finance shrek jocks main client voter base in Govan & Leith etc

The Scots will bottle it unfortunately.

Much better to stay as they are and have the English to blame for everything.

Was so much looking forward to the rest of us having our clocks put forward an hour to European time.

warnings have turned to threats & the "establishment" are bringing out every weapon at their disposal now.
imo all the more reason to vote yes but the threats and intimidation will no doubt win out, people are understandably nervous.
as has been pointed out many times, if scotland is so potentially weak why are they so very desperate to keep it in the union?

just been sent this Voting for the Yes campaign is like divorcing your pretty decent looking wife and going on a blind date with a stunning girl you have been talking to on plenty of fish whose profile is stunning hoping her picture is real   

Aberdonia . I cannot agree with the Alex Salmond slant. The man, IMO is out for glory at all costs.He is playing the pipers tune and unfortunately has gone down the road to Hamelin. Allowing a vote to kids? What a sly move. Impressionable youngsters who are really more concerned about facial spots but possibly fancy a few nights of national partying and misplaced jollity.

Whether you agree/like/dislike Salmond he has to be better than whats on offer it fills me with dread that we get a NO result and are lumped with NEW lABOUR again!! complete and utter failures lto the other choice of the Tories/Ukip hardly fills anyone with confidence,Tories have never ever delivered unless you are of course one of the 1%,my hope for Scotland is that we get rid of them all and bring in proven/repected people with a vision of the future something regardless of who,s pound it is how much oil we have/don,t have fcuk you would think that sterling was the standardbearer of the financial world,we need to break free from the constraints of political parties/politicians,we have a chance to break the mould and throw it in the Clyde,England has to do the same but are far to up the Royal a--es to do anything as soon as their is anything resembling a crisis out pops royal baby or something akin,then you have your street parties/bunting whilst being shafted.

Its a bit of a cheek for them to make us pay to move weapons from Scotland that protect the whole of the UK from the Russian threat.

But Scotland wont be in the UK if the Nutters get their way.

I'd imagine many of those claiming they'd vote yes will actually be voting no

Maybe not Loper but I bet they would still be happy with our nuclear deterrent if things go bad.

Sep 12, 2014 -- 11:21AM, frog2 wrote:

Its a bit of a cheek for them to make us pay to move weapons from Scotland that protect the whole of the UK from the Russian threat.

It isn't the Russians - it's the French!

Humphrey Appleby

What's latest opinion poll saying?

I saw yesterday 50% Yes 27% No 13% Don't Know in a local newspaper.

Oops, Should be 23% Don't Know

your arithmetic is similar to your fishing skills, very poor

A nationalist leader has warned that an independent Scotland would take revenge on unionist businesses supporting a No vote as the campaign for independence turned vicious.

With a new opinion poll showing the race is still neck and neck, the SNP’s former deputy leader Jim Sillars said pro-union companies would face “a day of reckoning” if Scotland became independent next Friday.

Mr Sillars threatened that BP’s operations in the North Sea could be nationalised and said a future Scottish Government would not be as “soft as we have been forced to be” as part of the UK.

Tellingly, Alex Salmond failed to criticise the remarks by his former deputy with whom he was out campaigning earlier in the week. But Labour said they amounted to a “clear threat” and were characteristic of what had become a campaign of “fear and intimidation” by nationalists.

Meanwhile, the most hardline criticism yet of moves for independence came last night from Deutsche Bank, Europe’s biggest investment bank – claiming it could throw the country back into a depression the likes of which have not been seen since the 1920s and ‘30s.

Labour figures travelling with Ed Miliband told The Independent they are concerned by the increasingly unpleasant and well-orchestrated attempts by Yes supporters to disrupt their events.

Good luck getting any future foreign investment if you decide to nationalise private companies.

socialist dystopia is what they'll end up with and it will be somehow our fault

Here's an interesting article

https://archive.today/TC8va

The United Queendom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf6uL6d_4-k