Scotland -vote yes..

FOYDC

im a no voter

Silly bugger OP

If the scots vote no. Do the english get a vote on indepence

if u vote for a party that has that as an election promise and they gain a majority then u 2 can dare to fly now off u pop little bird and vote for it...

Although I’d largely like to see the union stay in tact, there’s part of me that would like it if they just fckd off. I’ve lived and worked in Scotland for a couple of years in the past and they really don’t see how the whole ‘auld enemy’ stuff is their heads not ours and most English people barely give them a second thought.

The nationalists need to face the fact they won’t have the pound as England isn’t about to carry an independent Scotland as it would be political suicide for any party to agree to that. But snp plays to the plebs who watch Braveheart like it’s the History channel.
Plus Edinburgh relies on the financial institutions there such as Standard Life and if the majority of their business is in England then that’s where they’ll go. Also Royal Bank Of Scotland will up sticks seen as it’s owned by the UK tax payer, probably all becoming Natwest.

I’d like to see the true figures re the Barnett formula etc to see if union with Scotland is a net gain or loss for England. My bet would be on a loss.

If they do go independent I reckon within a generation we’ll have another 1707 moment but instead of bankrupting themselves on failed colonies it will be due to failed socialism.

The big big plus would be how much harder it would be for a labour government to gain power in Westminster, especially once the constituency boundaries are made fairer.

But which ever way the vote goes they’ll be fighting among themselves for years, but if it’s a No, it will be fun to see just what sore losers the nationalists are

if it stops em whingeing all the time then I'm for it

Pawras, great post.

You need to be English in a room full of Scots watching England play football, (been there!) to see how much big a chip they have on their shoulders.

What I found interesting was hearing from a blike living in one of the islands saying he was voting for the union because SNP, while wanting devolution for Scotland were not keen on devolving power to a more local level.

blike = bloke.

England play football fcuk me that must have been decades ago.

it will not be good for scottish racing if the vote goes yes

Pawras, great post.

It's not a great post it's p1sh.

There will be a currency union as it will be completely impossible to deal with Scotland's share of debt including pension payments without one.  Financial institutions can just open regulated subsidiaries in England, there is no need to physically relocate.  I worked for a multinational financial PLC that wasn't regulated - it just has subsidiaries in various countries that were regulated by the appropriate body for the country.

Whatever happens I can see Labour getting a hiding at the next election - their entire Scottish policy is to make as many people as possible reliant on the state for a living and listening to the house tory Alasdair Darling doing his master's bidding makes me want to puke.

Dave we'll have to agree to disagree, there won't be a currency union even if we end up taking Scotland's share of the debt. For political reasons if nothing else. Independence we'll mean they carry their own arses for the first time.

If say 80% of Standard Life's customers are in England do you really see it staying in Edinburgh long term post independence?? Get real.

if i was scottish i would vote yes as the UK has gone down the pan
they can then leave the eec.get there own currency and stop all the eastern european and third world immigration
they can also then elect a tory government which has a completely scottish agenda

Standard life has been shipping jobs out to India for years.  The only reason it still has jobs left in the uk is because it needs the skills.

H for T another example of the sh*te you spout.

if they vote yes we got have a border control to stop them coming into england simple i would build a wall to keep them out

"build a wall" how f u c k i n g original

tony blair won a labour majority without the need of Scottish labour MPs

YES vote isn't about alec salmond,its about Scotland,s future

you will get what you deserve(sounds like a threat)

a divided nation if the polls are anything to go by

I Voted Yes last week, if the media was not so biased in favour of the labour **** it would already be in the bag.

i have a feeling Yes is already in front as they mst recent poll is by an outfit who always underestimate SNP and/or Yes.

they were out by 28 per cent at the last scottish elections.

I will still love the english when we become a real country again.

atkins, Scotland is richer than England, we have been subsidising the likes of you for the last 100 years.

you will have to stand on your own 2 feet in a few weeks time.

Willie's a NO man btw, he has a brain.

i know Willie is a NO, and he does not have a brain, he is a bankrupt who has half the business community in
aberdeen chasing after him for money.


great player though.

I dont know what Aberdonia is on, but I'd like some.

yes vote. then no pound have your own fcking money make sure that they all get new passports got to have the own army and most important border patrols it will be like mexico with all the fckers trying to get over the border to engand

OP - 'under the control of a certain Alec Salmond'

Notwithstanding that he's done a pretty decent job as FM, there is absolutely no guarantee (in fact I would bet against it) that SNP in it's current form and with current policies would win a Scottish General Election and I'm speaking as an ardent YES voter who's voted for SNP in every election (general, local, European) since I turned 18 many moons ago

just take my word for it loper, although the facts are out there.

i may show you later when i come back from my game of 5s.

one thing to note, You will lose a 3rd of your land mass and have the GDP of Italy when we phuck off.

Nigel Farage will be pm in 10 years and there will be race riots all over England, that is what my crystal ball is
telling me.

dr atkins - your knowledge of the border policies of EU member states needs a bit of brushing up...and for students, OAPs, supporters of the EU and many other groups within society I believe the clamour to cross the 'border' will be in the other direction

dream on atkins you'd be better building your wall around various parts of the midlands

Most of the comment on this forum by English contributors seems to be gained from reading that instrument of knowledge THE DAILY MAIL.This rag last made a truthful statement about Scotland when the " old king was on the throne".
It is a lying deceitful excuse for a newspaper and its only use is a substitute for Andrex in emergences.
Why anyone in Scotland buys this rag is a mystery.

atkins, you have not got a clue, we will leave it at that.

so will you have the euro ? you cant have the pound horse racing bhb wont have no control over horse racing in scotland

we have had the debate over the pound for 18 months in scotland, i want our own currency but it would have scared potential yes voters.

Osborne will be begging us to be part of the £, infact he will try and tie us into a deal for at least 10 years.


you will find out soon enough as when Yes wins, all the bluffs will mean nowt.

Aberdonia,

My 1k of pounds sterling guaranteed by the Bank of England is here ready and waiting to be matched by your 1k of pounds Scottish guaranteed by The Bank of Scotland, obviously.

At least we'd then be able to put our clocks forward an hour if the Scots vote yes.

how much have you got on the Yes vote aberdonia?

how can you have the english pound if you vote yes you are a independent country so you will have to vote if you want the euro or your own currency

Loper, even if that was the case, if we dont get a currency union, we wont be taking a share of the uk debt, the uk have already said they are responsible for the whole of the debt if we separate.

as a new country we would have no debt and can still use the £ without a lender of last resort.  would also make banks more responsible as without a lender of last resort business's would act in a more responsible manner.

we would not be defaulting on a debt because the uk have taken responsibility.  As a new country, one of the richest in the world, without any debt, Scotland would also find it easy to get money on the international money markets.

Capitalism at its finest...

Good point, Wesdag.

An end to those dark afternoons in winter.

it is not the english pound mate, we have more than paid our way, and the bank of england is a nationalised body, again we have contributed more than our fair share over the years.

it is as much ours as it, is yours.

Aberdonia,

simple question.

Will you match my bet of 1k on a no vote with your bet of 1k on a yes vote winning?

The UK pound sterling belongs to the UK. If you're in the UK it is equally as much Scotlands as Englands. If you vote to leave the UK then you will have to sort something out, whether that is officially or unofficially.

this could leave a divided Scotland....civil war!

given the current odds, no i wont. and i know how daft scottish folk can be especially the coffin dodgers who vote early and vote often.

yes is ahead in every age group bar the over 60s, in that group NO is at 70 per cent. The senile cnts should bot be allowed a vote imo.

"you will find out soon enough as when Yes wins, all the bluffs will mean nowt."

yet you won't bet on it? That to me suggests you aren't as confident as your earlier statements suggested

no, i am not confident, but getting more hopeful every day,

and this has nowt to do with being anti english, i am not even a nationalist.

just want to be like a dutchman, a swede and a dane.

the black hole of the 'London centric' economy and 'establishment' is sucking the lifeblood of all outlying parts of the UK, but luckily we in Scotland have a chance to opt out - we've been ignored by one of the major parties for 50 years and taken for granted by the other and the constant is that quality of life (on the most generally accepted measures) has eroded, albeit the wealth generated has increased but I want to live in a society where welfare is FAIR, where victims of crime are treated better than perpetrators, where 'life' means 'life', where education and healthcare are free at source of delivery, where we don't waste a single penny in tax to provide a nuclear 'deterrent', where economic policies are formed to benefit Agriculture, Fishing, Tourism, SME (and not the finance industry), Food and Drink, Energy Sector..and there's only one way to have a shot at that and it's to vote YES.

yes there will be a significant financial burden at the outset as there is when you set up any operation/business but for the price of a family holiday in Florida, each year for say next 10 years, I'd gladly sign up against the benefits above. 

And for those who say 'currency' - then I see three options

a) negotiate post-YES with BoE to keep the pound - their position till now has been what you would expect of the 'establishment' but would change for sure faced with an Independent Scotland as it wouldn't be in English governments best interest to lose export business particularly from North of England

b) have a Scottish pound tied to English pound on 1 for 1 basis Day 1 and then let market determine with Scottish government having ability to fix interest rates when required (which may actually be the best outcome)

c) migrate towards the Euro - personally not in favour but again could have some attraction

either way the vote is going to be closer than the experts predicted and we'll all have to live and work together on 19th September so hopefully the campaign and the campaign leaders act a little bit more controlled and less personal before and after

So I garner from your response, Aberdonia, that you believe that the No vote will prevail.

Also, that you have little respect for the wisdom garnered through life experience by your Scottish elders.

And once all the oil's gone, the gravy train will be derailed big time.

a yes vote is the only sensible option - a no vote wont put the argument to rest - the aberdonias of this world will go on carping until the end of time. let them have their own country - the remainder will be far more prosperous  without them

got no problem with scotland being a independent country but once you leave your on your own so no pound and no help from little england

wesdag - once the oils gone (well that was predicted to be in 'twenty years' when first discoveries made in early 70s and here we are another 20 years on and there are still large deposits on the West to be explored) we'll still have the oil service sector where world leading companies are active all over the globe assisting Chinese, Kazakhs, Venezuelans, Nigerians, Angolans, Saudis and many others to discover and produce energy products, and which generate more than 10BN per year to the UK economy

^ so the oil will never run out?

I think that, despite 99% of people disagreeing with me, we are all British first and sub divided by our regional roots secondly.

In fact, few of us can say we have pure blood from a specific area of Britain only, and those that have obviously show outward signs of inbreeding!

I sincerely hope that the Scots vote YES.

Not only will the rest of us be able to put our clocks forward but we will then be able to delight in watching them whinge and moan at each other rather than at the beastly English at long last.

of course it will -its not a renewable fuel - but when it runs out in Scottish waters, there will still be billions of barrels to be found and produced elsewhere and those many Scottish based (and many Scottish owned) companies will be at the forefront for decades to come

the English aren't beastly but the people best placed to determine the policies best suited for Scotland are the Scottish and yes even amongst us there are huge cultural, economic, religious divides so no one thinks it will be 'nirvana' but it can't be any worse than the erosion of society and values we've experienced over past 50 years

The only disappointment or injustice is that the English haven't been offered a parallel referendum to enable us to vote to leave the Scots.

I'm sure there'd be an overwhelming majority who'd vote YES.

Well if we don't have a YES on the 18th, I'll be pushing for your referendum!

An independent Scotland would take a while to find it's own feet. Could take a decade or 2, but it should become prosperous regardless of all the obstacles.

However will all the bright young things want to remain in Scotland? They could lose a generation of their greatest minds and that may be what puts the nail in the coffin of an independent Scotland.

Scotland has been losing its best minds for years now. We have a declining population as people elect to seek out a better life in Canada, NZ, Australia etc. We can produce em, just cant keep em all.

rupeski - check your facts please -

Scotland’s population continues to rise and reached its highest ever total in 2013.

The statistics published below by the National Records of Scotland (NRS) show that the estimated population of Scotland was 5,327,700 in mid-2013, the highest ever.

The figures, based on 2011 Census data, show a rise of 14,100 people since mid-2012

And just prior to an Independent Scotland we could see an either bigger mass exodus of the brightest and the best as well as a large chunk of the rest of the top 10% whilst they are still free to move as EU citizens.

The Union has survived for 307 years !



I firmly believe that Caladonia has far more to lose than to gain !

Sep 3, 2014 -- 6:28PM, dibdob wrote:

And just prior to an Independent Scotland we could see an either bigger mass exodus of the brightest and the best as well as a large chunk of the rest of the top 10% whilst they are still free to move as EU citizens.

Wat?  Uk and dual citizenship will be in place for years

I know somebody who said she will leave if it is a yes vote. The prospect didn't stop her buying a house and planning wedding here though.

Then again she once left a polling station without voting as she couldn't find 'The Tories' on the ballot paper.

Just heard that Alec has declared that Bitcoins will be the new currency of an Independant Scotland ..
A new Currency backed by nothing and promoted by chancers.....

A bit like the SNP...

that is an old joke that one, was on the go 2 years ago, your labour friends thought it up homefortea.

find it odd that some are having a go at the Scots who want to run their own country, we are the ones who dont want
to blame the English for everything,

it is labour in Scotland who are the whining ****.  hopefully Gordon Brown pension stealer will seek political asylum in  2 weeks time cause we dont want the t wat.

very strong rumour

egg-gate jim murphy was a inside job

guy arrested part of security team

Just made that up Aberdonia.

Round here we have a bitcoin machine installed in a local pub - And I did not make that one up...

I may however complain to the moderator on here and try and get you the Red Card for calling me a Labour supporter.

Agree with what you say about Gordon Brown though -  that Scot with his former crony Tony Millionaire Blair killed this nation...

If you vote yes I may sell up and buy an Estate in Scotland.

My money will however not be in a Scottish bank....

Im hearing he may be linked to the local labour party, quite high up.

please let it be true although their media bitches at the bbc wont report it properly.

Traditional Labour voters moving towards the YES camp,as usual they have been treated with contempt by the bags of **** they call the Scottish Labour Party.

sh ite

Labour MPs and the TUC have always treated their supporters with contempt.

Take Francis O'Grady the new leader of both.She has been demanding that more houses are built and her members are given above inflation pay rises.

CAUSE AND EFFECT...If hundreds of thousands of new arrivals per year had been restricted then she would have both.

SIMPLE.

i detest the labour party, they need poor people to prosper, anything that makes people dependent on them and the
state is what they want.

economic progress kills them, they had their place in the 1920s to 1950s , now they should just phuck off.

aberdonia    03 Sep 14 20:02 
i detest the labour party, they need poor people to prosper, anything that makes people dependent on them and the
state is what they want.

economic progress kills them, they had their place in the 1920s to 1950s , now they should just phuck off.

Agreed.
Labour used to be the party of the aspiring working class.
Now they're the party of the helpless parasite.

They have always recently been the party for the simple minds.

Funny how anyone associated with them has a Notting Hill or Islington townhouse worth xmillions yet has never done a days work in their lives....

We will all be losers if they vote yes, but it will be worth it to clear all of the Scottish MP's out of Westminster.

why sageform..you want it exclusively for public school bum boys?

is not westminster allegedly full of people who abuse small children?

...as long as a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be subjected to the lordship of the English. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.

When Labour were in power we were all governed by Scotsmen. Never again I hope.

Scotland is a neglected place

if they got to run their own country ...now theres a thought..charge

YES

Sep 4, 2014 -- 2:13AM, sageform wrote:

When Labour were in power we were all governed by Scotsmen. Never again I hope.

It started when you ran out of kings and had to import James 1st/6th

True dave but times have changed and we can't survive another spell with the likes of Brown and Darling in No 11 Downing Street. If I was Scottish and living in Scotland I might vote yes myself but I would fear the worst if Alex Salmond was in charge of finances. They have still not explained what passport an English person living and working in Scotland or a Scottish person living and working in England will have after independence.