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Deltâ
25 Aug 14 15:14
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he was waving the flag!!
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Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:26 PM BST
racing here is idiotic they never do the rules
Report jamesdean August 25, 2014 3:26 PM BST
would lay that 1.01
Report Arklearkle August 25, 2014 3:26 PM BST
If you say you spent the money they take the wife - so all's not bad
Report tips August 25, 2014 3:26 PM BST
will be void I would say
Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:26 PM BST
ryan moore saw the flag man ffs
Report dave1357 August 25, 2014 3:27 PM BST

Aug 25, 2014 -- 3:26PM, jamesdean wrote:


would lay that 1.01


no point void means everything canceled

Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:27 PM BST
thats why he never try Laugh
Report aldric. August 25, 2014 3:27 PM BST
They all saw the flag man and carried on....
Report brokerboy August 25, 2014 3:27 PM BST
declared its a false start
Report tips August 25, 2014 3:27 PM BST
it is a false start void race thenSad
Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:28 PM BST
void yeah
Report Facts August 25, 2014 3:28 PM BST
Slip5

I hope he did !
Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:28 PM BST
i get my money back on long awaited
Report degsy42 August 25, 2014 3:29 PM BST
ditto
Report degsy42 August 25, 2014 3:29 PM BST
ditto
Report bilbobaggins August 25, 2014 3:29 PM BST
Brave call Wes - 50:50 imo.
Report mange August 25, 2014 3:29 PM BST
jocks will all say they dident see it..cas if they did Shocked
Report brokerboy August 25, 2014 3:29 PM BST
Me too i backed LA as well
Report 1830 August 25, 2014 3:29 PM BST
If it dont get declared void,they are gonna have to ban 3 or 4 jockeys for not riding out.
Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:29 PM BST
this is fooked up how many store bookies paid out on humidor Laugh
Report dave1357 August 25, 2014 3:30 PM BST
btw seen a lot worse not called as false starts - looked really marginal
Report conkian August 25, 2014 3:30 PM BST
twats I had Taurus twins to place fuccking lollipop heads thick as usual
Report Facts August 25, 2014 3:30 PM BST
slip5     25 Aug 14 15:28 
i get my money back on long awaited


Ditto Happy
Report mange August 25, 2014 3:31 PM BST
MUST BE......F/S
Report tips August 25, 2014 3:31 PM BST
dave hits nail on head seen much worst and nothing so hope they do it everytime no bloody likely
Report dave1357 August 25, 2014 3:31 PM BST
will u "losers" stfu
Report The Walker August 25, 2014 3:31 PM BST
Don't see as all the jocks can say they didn't see it, you can see at least two of them look back to see if anyone pulling up!
Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:32 PM BST
bookies shops paid out this is problem
Report OVERSEAS August 25, 2014 3:32 PM BST
Can only be void race..
Report TheCollector August 25, 2014 3:32 PM BST
Still waiting for my Bondesire bet to be refunded from Will Hilll...settled as a loss as it stands
Report Facts August 25, 2014 3:33 PM BST
Why will they have done ? They will have seen the issue on tv. Don't they wait for 'official ' result anymore ?
Report aldric. August 25, 2014 3:35 PM BST
Suspended now, what was the decision?
Report mange August 25, 2014 3:35 PM BST
Cool
Report Deltâ August 25, 2014 3:35 PM BST
VOID
Report brokerboy August 25, 2014 3:35 PM BST
Race declared VOID
Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:35 PM BST
void official
Report curious-cat August 25, 2014 3:36 PM BST
jockeys get whipped by the stewards
Report the dealer August 25, 2014 3:36 PM BST
Unless your very lucky the shop bookies wouldnt have paid, slip a tad naive imo
Report Deltâ August 25, 2014 3:36 PM BST
I told you it was Void,  In Running  Shocked
Report curious-cat August 25, 2014 3:36 PM BST
I've got a void in my life.
Report Wesdag August 25, 2014 3:37 PM BST
Whenever the flag man has his flag up, stewards will almost certainly void.
Report princeofthebes August 25, 2014 3:37 PM BST
what a joke
Report slip5 August 25, 2014 3:37 PM BST
i am shocked they went by the rules
Report aldric. August 25, 2014 3:37 PM BST
so annoying :(
Report tomhunt August 25, 2014 3:38 PM BST
tell you what,if I'd have missed just one pulling up would have lost my bollox
Report mange August 25, 2014 3:39 PM BST
Shoe involved Laugh
Report Vince_Bluett August 25, 2014 3:40 PM BST
Had the first and third. Had that winner that was disqualified in France yesterday too. Sad
Report sageform August 25, 2014 3:41 PM BST
Happy to get my money back on the fav that never went a yard.
Report Facts August 25, 2014 3:42 PM BST
princeofthebes     25 Aug 14 15:37 
what a joke



Why is it a joke. It was a false start. This means the race is void. What's so difficult ?
Report Biscar Two from a mile back August 25, 2014 3:43 PM BST
If one had pulled up and the rest had completed would he have been allowed to walk over ?
Report Deltâ August 25, 2014 3:43 PM BST
yes biscar
Report conkian August 25, 2014 3:44 PM BST
told ya thicket jockeys
Report tips August 25, 2014 3:44 PM BST
PP paying out on result
Report Deltâ August 25, 2014 3:45 PM BST
Biscar - + they would have got the lot  = £25,000 prize money
Report Facts August 25, 2014 3:45 PM BST
PP refunding losers too ?
Report mange August 25, 2014 3:46 PM BST
wot price was a false start
Report mange August 25, 2014 3:47 PM BST
Not so Delta
Report tips August 25, 2014 3:48 PM BST
I presume facts
Report howard August 25, 2014 3:50 PM BST
Facts they have to refund losers.
Report 1st time poster August 25, 2014 3:56 PM BST
bet you wish the fav hadnt gone a yard and then he,d have cleaned up, Wink
Report tips August 25, 2014 4:02 PM BST
sky bet and stan jimmy paying out as well
Report Facts August 25, 2014 4:08 PM BST
Why are these people paying out on a void race. Surely there has to be a ruling on this as far as bookmakers are concerned. I.e all pay out ,or none do,otherwise if you'd backed the ' winner ' with one who wasn't paying out , you' d have every right to kick off  - wouldn't you ? And what would the outcome be if you challenged it with betting regulations board ?
Report second again August 25, 2014 4:13 PM BST
Are Stan Jimmy paying out?I have only had my stake refunded.
Report sageform August 25, 2014 4:14 PM BST
Have you never heard of competition. Brownie points on a Bank Holiday worth as much as a full page ad in the Racing Post. I assume they have refunded everyone who backed the losers.
Report Wesdag August 25, 2014 4:15 PM BST
It's just a pr gesture Facts as the money paid out will soon end up back in the till.
Report second again August 25, 2014 4:33 PM BST
Stan Jimmy paid out now,for once I have come out on top.
Report tips August 25, 2014 4:35 PM BST
still a nice gesture hav never got nothing off this crowd!
Report mange August 25, 2014 4:37 PM BST
I can see Betfair following shortly..........
Report Facts August 25, 2014 4:39 PM BST
I think not
Report tips August 25, 2014 4:40 PM BST
following what?
Report posy August 25, 2014 4:44 PM BST
hope you're right mange but i'm not holding my breath
Report tips August 25, 2014 4:50 PM BST
no chance posy absolutely no chance
Report mange August 25, 2014 4:52 PM BST
U got about as much chance as a hunchback in a flaired jacket
Report Facts August 25, 2014 5:08 PM BST
Flared
Report Deltâ August 25, 2014 5:12 PM BST
Race 3 - 3:10pm THE totepool SUPPORTING THE SPORT YOU LOVE HANDICAP STAKES (CLASS 2)
The Stewards held an enquiry under Rule (B)11.6 into the start of this race. They interviewed Sam James, the rider of BONDESIRE, Paul Hanagan, the rider of SILVANUS (IRE), James Doyle, the rider of HUMIDOR (IRE), Ryan Moore, the rider of LONG AWAITED (IRE), David Probert, the rider of SWISS CROSS, Kieran O’Neill, the rider of TAURUS TWINS, Daniel Muscutt, the rider of COME ON DAVE (IRE), Martin Lane, the rider of LADY GIBRALTAR, and the Starter. The evidence was that TAURUS TWINS anticipated the start, broke open the gates of its stall and began in advance of the other runners. The Starter immediately called a false start and waved his flag to this effect. The Advance Flag Operator initially took several steps to the right before waving the recall flag. The riders explained that having moved to the side the Advance Flat Operator was out of their line of sight, particularly given the poor visibility due to heavy rain and because of this continued on in the race. Being satisfied that a false start had been declared in that no runner had returned to the Starter after the recall flag had been raised the Stewards declared the race void. At a subsequent enquiry into the start, evidence was also taken from the Advance Flag Operator who confirmed he had taken several steps to the right prior to waving the recall flag and also that he did not blow the whistle as required. As the operating procedures were not followed by the Advance Flat Operator the Stewards decided that no action would be taken against the riders and, further, that a report be forwarded to the British Horseracing Authority.
Report big dunc August 25, 2014 5:17 PM BST
nothing from 365 shoitebags
Report Arklearkle August 25, 2014 5:17 PM BST
What did he think the whistle was for.
Report posy August 25, 2014 5:18 PM BST
Didn't blow the whistle !!
Report Wesdag August 25, 2014 5:19 PM BST
What a farce Laugh

Flag man can't wave flag and blow whistle at the same time Laugh
Report dave1357 August 25, 2014 5:22 PM BST
Looks like they are making the Advance Flag Operator the patsy
Report Arklearkle August 25, 2014 5:23 PM BST
They should have three flagmen. One to wave the flag one to blow the whistle and one to make sure the other two get out of the way
Report Facts August 25, 2014 5:24 PM BST
TBAG will be signing on in the morning then Laugh
Report roggrain August 25, 2014 5:45 PM BST
M-I-C-K-E-Y.....

M-O-U-S-E!

A flag and a whistle. Do they think this is still 1914?
Report big dunc August 25, 2014 5:53 PM BST
365 now paying
Report posy August 25, 2014 6:02 PM BST
what are that shower betvictor doing....they refused to settle the real winner in the Dave Smith fiasco at Kempton.
Report Facts August 25, 2014 6:06 PM BST
roggrain     25 Aug 14 17:45 
M-I-C-K-E-Y.....

M-O-U-S-E!

A flag and a whistle. Do they think this is still 1914?



What do other countries use ?
Report howard August 25, 2014 6:08 PM BST
Money for nothing  , that's the way you do it , wave the flag on RUK
Report sageform August 25, 2014 8:48 PM BST
You could have a large fence rising out of the track when the starter presses the right button I suppose.
Report PMac August 25, 2014 9:09 PM BST
365 payed
Report adamski August 26, 2014 6:40 AM BST
A ludicrous decision to call a false start in the first place, there would be at least 60 or 70 a week based on that, nothing wrong with a horse getting a fast start. Doubt he will but the starter should be punished for that.
Report mange August 26, 2014 7:10 AM BST
The starters wired up M8............someone instructed him
Report Dr Gonzo August 26, 2014 9:57 AM BST
What do other countries use ?

I seem to recall that Santa Anita (for one in the US) have some sort of siren they can use in such cases.

Tend to agree though - it's such a rare occurrence, installing systems at every racecourse here seems a bit like overkill.
Report differentdrum August 26, 2014 11:39 AM BST
According to the Racing Post only Hanagan admitted seeing the flag. Did the others have their eyes shut?

So effectively they had the option of blaming a couple of faceless bods or giving the likes of Moore, Hanagan and Doyle a ten-day ban that would see them missing the St Leger meeting and other big races.

Decision bottled as per usual. It seems the jockeys cannot be blamed for anything these days.
Report spyker August 26, 2014 1:53 PM BST
If Hanagan had pulled up (at any point before the winning post I believe) he'd have got the w/o and the pot - he's therefore clearly a bit dim (or a v poor jock if he can't pull up in half a mile!).
Report spyker August 26, 2014 1:56 PM BST
* and the stewards would really have had a decision to make (if any jock had pulled up!).
Report beccaboo August 26, 2014 2:15 PM BST
Why not pay the prize money for the race, surely Epsom is not strapped for the cash and it hurts no one. I can understand the betting side because of winners and losers (bets) being voided but the horses, trainers, jockeys and stable staff have all done their job for nowt.
Report geordie1956 August 26, 2014 2:20 PM BST
I doubt I would pay the jockeys for that(perhaps the prize money should come out of their pockets)
Report elise August 26, 2014 2:29 PM BST
they should cover all of the transport and costs for every runner (they being the bha)
Report differentdrum August 27, 2014 9:23 AM BST
George Baker also (deliberately) missing the point in today's Post. If he wants compensation he should asking Ryan Moore and co.

This isn't about whether it was correct false start or not. That is not for the jockeys to decide. For whatever reason the jockeys did not follow the rules. Why bother with rules at all if they are just going to be ignored?
Report dave1357 August 27, 2014 2:10 PM BST
There was no whistle differentdrum and the flag man moved to the side before waving.  That was enough to create doubt.
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