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If you say you spent the money they take the wife - so all's not bad
Aug 25, 2014 -- 3:26PM, jamesdean wrote:
would lay that 1.01
no point void means everything canceled
If it dont get declared void,they are gonna have to ban 3 or 4 jockeys for not riding out.
this is fooked up how many store bookies paid out on humidor 
btw seen a lot worse not called as false starts - looked really marginal
twats I had Taurus twins to place fuccking lollipop heads thick as usual
slip5 25 Aug 14 15:28
i get my money back on long awaited
Ditto
i get my money back on long awaited
Ditto
dave hits nail on head seen much worst and nothing so hope they do it everytime no bloody likely
Don't see as all the jocks can say they didn't see it, you can see at least two of them look back to see if anyone pulling up!
Still waiting for my Bondesire bet to be refunded from Will Hilll...settled as a loss as it stands
Why will they have done ? They will have seen the issue on tv. Don't they wait for 'official ' result anymore ?
Unless your very lucky the shop bookies wouldnt have paid, slip a tad naive imo
Whenever the flag man has his flag up, stewards will almost certainly void.
tell you what,if I'd have missed just one pulling up would have lost my bollox
Had the first and third. Had that winner that was disqualified in France yesterday too. 
Happy to get my money back on the fav that never went a yard.
princeofthebes 25 Aug 14 15:37
what a joke
Why is it a joke. It was a false start. This means the race is void. What's so difficult ?
what a joke
Why is it a joke. It was a false start. This means the race is void. What's so difficult ?
If one had pulled up and the rest had completed would he have been allowed to walk over ?
Biscar - + they would have got the lot = £25,000 prize money
bet you wish the fav hadnt gone a yard and then he,d have cleaned up, 
Why are these people paying out on a void race. Surely there has to be a ruling on this as far as bookmakers are concerned. I.e all pay out ,or none do,otherwise if you'd backed the ' winner ' with one who wasn't paying out , you' d have every right to kick off - wouldn't you ? And what would the outcome be if you challenged it with betting regulations board ?
Are Stan Jimmy paying out?I have only had my stake refunded.
Have you never heard of competition. Brownie points on a Bank Holiday worth as much as a full page ad in the Racing Post. I assume they have refunded everyone who backed the losers.
It's just a pr gesture Facts as the money paid out will soon end up back in the till.
Stan Jimmy paid out now,for once I have come out on top.
still a nice gesture hav never got nothing off this crowd!
U got about as much chance as a hunchback in a flaired jacket
Race 3 - 3:10pm THE totepool SUPPORTING THE SPORT YOU LOVE HANDICAP STAKES (CLASS 2)
The Stewards held an enquiry under Rule (B)11.6 into the start of this race. They interviewed Sam James, the rider of BONDESIRE, Paul Hanagan, the rider of SILVANUS (IRE), James Doyle, the rider of HUMIDOR (IRE), Ryan Moore, the rider of LONG AWAITED (IRE), David Probert, the rider of SWISS CROSS, Kieran O’Neill, the rider of TAURUS TWINS, Daniel Muscutt, the rider of COME ON DAVE (IRE), Martin Lane, the rider of LADY GIBRALTAR, and the Starter. The evidence was that TAURUS TWINS anticipated the start, broke open the gates of its stall and began in advance of the other runners. The Starter immediately called a false start and waved his flag to this effect. The Advance Flag Operator initially took several steps to the right before waving the recall flag. The riders explained that having moved to the side the Advance Flat Operator was out of their line of sight, particularly given the poor visibility due to heavy rain and because of this continued on in the race. Being satisfied that a false start had been declared in that no runner had returned to the Starter after the recall flag had been raised the Stewards declared the race void. At a subsequent enquiry into the start, evidence was also taken from the Advance Flag Operator who confirmed he had taken several steps to the right prior to waving the recall flag and also that he did not blow the whistle as required. As the operating procedures were not followed by the Advance Flat Operator the Stewards decided that no action would be taken against the riders and, further, that a report be forwarded to the British Horseracing Authority.
The Stewards held an enquiry under Rule (B)11.6 into the start of this race. They interviewed Sam James, the rider of BONDESIRE, Paul Hanagan, the rider of SILVANUS (IRE), James Doyle, the rider of HUMIDOR (IRE), Ryan Moore, the rider of LONG AWAITED (IRE), David Probert, the rider of SWISS CROSS, Kieran O’Neill, the rider of TAURUS TWINS, Daniel Muscutt, the rider of COME ON DAVE (IRE), Martin Lane, the rider of LADY GIBRALTAR, and the Starter. The evidence was that TAURUS TWINS anticipated the start, broke open the gates of its stall and began in advance of the other runners. The Starter immediately called a false start and waved his flag to this effect. The Advance Flag Operator initially took several steps to the right before waving the recall flag. The riders explained that having moved to the side the Advance Flat Operator was out of their line of sight, particularly given the poor visibility due to heavy rain and because of this continued on in the race. Being satisfied that a false start had been declared in that no runner had returned to the Starter after the recall flag had been raised the Stewards declared the race void. At a subsequent enquiry into the start, evidence was also taken from the Advance Flag Operator who confirmed he had taken several steps to the right prior to waving the recall flag and also that he did not blow the whistle as required. As the operating procedures were not followed by the Advance Flat Operator the Stewards decided that no action would be taken against the riders and, further, that a report be forwarded to the British Horseracing Authority.
What a farce
Flag man can't wave flag and blow whistle at the same time
Flag man can't wave flag and blow whistle at the same time
Looks like they are making the Advance Flag Operator the patsy
They should have three flagmen. One to wave the flag one to blow the whistle and one to make sure the other two get out of the way
M-I-C-K-E-Y.....
M-O-U-S-E!
A flag and a whistle. Do they think this is still 1914?
M-O-U-S-E!
A flag and a whistle. Do they think this is still 1914?
what are that shower betvictor doing....they refused to settle the real winner in the Dave Smith fiasco at Kempton.
roggrain 25 Aug 14 17:45
M-I-C-K-E-Y.....
M-O-U-S-E!
A flag and a whistle. Do they think this is still 1914?
What do other countries use ?
M-I-C-K-E-Y.....
M-O-U-S-E!
A flag and a whistle. Do they think this is still 1914?
What do other countries use ?
Money for nothing , that's the way you do it , wave the flag on RUK
You could have a large fence rising out of the track when the starter presses the right button I suppose.
A ludicrous decision to call a false start in the first place, there would be at least 60 or 70 a week based on that, nothing wrong with a horse getting a fast start. Doubt he will but the starter should be punished for that.
The starters wired up M8............someone instructed him
What do other countries use ?
I seem to recall that Santa Anita (for one in the US) have some sort of siren they can use in such cases.
Tend to agree though - it's such a rare occurrence, installing systems at every racecourse here seems a bit like overkill.
I seem to recall that Santa Anita (for one in the US) have some sort of siren they can use in such cases.
Tend to agree though - it's such a rare occurrence, installing systems at every racecourse here seems a bit like overkill.
According to the Racing Post only Hanagan admitted seeing the flag. Did the others have their eyes shut?
So effectively they had the option of blaming a couple of faceless bods or giving the likes of Moore, Hanagan and Doyle a ten-day ban that would see them missing the St Leger meeting and other big races.
Decision bottled as per usual. It seems the jockeys cannot be blamed for anything these days.
So effectively they had the option of blaming a couple of faceless bods or giving the likes of Moore, Hanagan and Doyle a ten-day ban that would see them missing the St Leger meeting and other big races.
Decision bottled as per usual. It seems the jockeys cannot be blamed for anything these days.
If Hanagan had pulled up (at any point before the winning post I believe) he'd have got the w/o and the pot - he's therefore clearly a bit dim (or a v poor jock if he can't pull up in half a mile!).
* and the stewards would really have had a decision to make (if any jock had pulled up!).
Why not pay the prize money for the race, surely Epsom is not strapped for the cash and it hurts no one. I can understand the betting side because of winners and losers (bets) being voided but the horses, trainers, jockeys and stable staff have all done their job for nowt.
I doubt I would pay the jockeys for that(perhaps the prize money should come out of their pockets)
they should cover all of the transport and costs for every runner (they being the bha)
George Baker also (deliberately) missing the point in today's Post. If he wants compensation he should asking Ryan Moore and co.
This isn't about whether it was correct false start or not. That is not for the jockeys to decide. For whatever reason the jockeys did not follow the rules. Why bother with rules at all if they are just going to be ignored?
This isn't about whether it was correct false start or not. That is not for the jockeys to decide. For whatever reason the jockeys did not follow the rules. Why bother with rules at all if they are just going to be ignored?
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