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Having a debate in my household who would win this. On good to firm ground. Be interested in seeing people's thoughts.
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Sole power would need cover ?
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Let's say a 16 runner affair.
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SENSELESS thread.
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I think a better argument would be Frankel versus something like Dayjur, as nobody would've doubted that after the 2000 Guineas a few years ago, Frankel would've had a penalty tick in the July Cup over 6f which Dream Ahead won.
In answer to the original question, I think Frankel would beat Sole Power comfortably, as after all...he's officially a stone and a half+ the superior horse and he wouldn't be out of his comfort zone over 6f even though 5f might well be tougher. |
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Onlooker - I know it's 'senseless' but don't enthusiasts enjoy such hypothetical arguments?
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- fair enough ....
Usain Bolt - wearing a pair of high-heel shoes - from Imelda Marco's vast collection ... Against - Imelda Marcos, in a Ferrari, over 100 metres. |
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What do you reckon Myles?
I can't remember the precise sectionals but didn't Frankel wallop the Palace House Stakes time (in his first 5f of the mile) which was the next race on Guineas Day? |
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C'mon Squire...you've let this stink bomb off and sealed the doors on us all!
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The thing is if Frankel had never gone more than a mile then the thread wouldn't be considered as senseless considering at a mile the way he ran them ragged in the 2000 because and broke the heart of a high cruising speed horse like Canford Cliffs, which would travel on the bridle for most of the race and then just quicken over a short distance and put the race to bed with one burst of speed.
Now that we know Frankel got 10f and on soft ground too it's harder to imagine it could beat a 5f horse at that trip even if it would still do so. I personally think Frankel would be equally effect over a range of several trips though and so would rule it out. |
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IMA - Canford Cliffs was the year before
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PS - I'm sure you meant the Sussex Stakes
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I maybe didn't word that too well Gibberish so apologies for that but I was referring to two races where Frankel made all, those being the 2000gn he won when he ran "them" ragged (as in the whole field) and as you say the Sussex Stakes which where he break CC heart. I wasn't suggesting it was the same race and is meant to read as:
"he ran them ragged in the 2000 and (then or and also) broke the heart of a high cruising speed horse like Canford Cliffs" I'm aware though that they didn't run in the same 2000gns and also that Frankel got the WFA allowance in the Sussex first time and that was a stick used to beat him with to devalue his defeat of CC by some of the knockers on here. |
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DAYJUR WOULD HAVE DONE SOLE POWER 6
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SOLE POWER - whilst being the exceptional Sprinter of the moment - - is'beating trees' -
Stepper Point, twice - So what? Kingsgate Native (race record Flat Turf - 41 runs 5 Wins) FFS !... ... compared to the Sprinters that DAYJUR, and many others of similar ilk, HAD to beat. SOLE POWER - last week's Nunthorpe = 57.92 sces DAYJUR - 1990 Nunthorpe - beat Statoblest 4 lenghts - in 56.16 secs. |
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THANKS ONLOOKER......MAKE THAT 12
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CAN ANYONE REMEMBER ONE 50 YEARS AGO................SICA DAN OVER 4 AND HALF FURLONGS THAT WAS FAST LAST 100 YARDS ID HAVE GONE PAST IT ON ME BIKE
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Onlooker - I'm sure you will recall Dayjur beating similar trees...that was a piss-poor generation he was annihilating in an era when when we really were struggling to find a decent sprinter - that was further emphasised as just a few years before there was a golden age when we were spoiled rotten and subsequently a great sprinter like Never So Bold (he'd easily sort this present lot out) was unfairly compared to the XXX rated belters between 1978 & 1983 - he was well up to that standard in my view but because he was a trumped-up ageing handicapper that was getting beat from marks in the 70s, his sharp improvement was overlooked as he was hammering bums most of the time.
Ultimately when people slate the likes of Frankel, Sea The Stars & indeed Dayjur (I'll admit I've done so from a form perspective) the clichés like 'you can only beat what's out there' ring true. |
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I adore frankel . . . but no way would he beat sole over 5 furlongs . . . imo of cause.
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My personal opinion was frankel would win over the 5. The performance in the 2000g and the way in which he sustained the gallop would find many a horse out.
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Gibberish - Just done some checking on Never So Bold.
He was a well-beaten 7/2 Fav for the Brittania Handicap (1 Mile) off 85 - - before winning the Great St Wilfred (as a 3-yr-old) off 82. Following year - he was runner-up to Chief Singer in the July Cup - ending the season by winning the Diadem. He then won his July Cup the year after. |
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Was waiting for one of these....any thoughts on this?
http://youtu.be/aMvmAsRmwqo Some excellent editing... |
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Frankel still on the bridle when they cross the line, imo...
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Im human terms this is a micheal johnson up against usain bolt. . . . who would win over a 100metres
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Whatever next Frankel v Scurlogue Champ. What a lot of nonsense.
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Over what distance sparrow
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Over what distance sparrow
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700 metres at Wisbech flapping track.
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Now your being silly Frankel would never fit in the traps
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Well I thought we could all be silly on this silly thread.
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Frankel V Lord Gyllene 2m6f Hexham?
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