One piece of criteria a horse must meet before you have a bet,

A few more than JUST that restrictive rule... albeit helpful indicator.

4 legs helps

no frank spencer

My old man use to say "Never back a horse to do something he has never done before....unless you get double figures in the the price and no he didn't mean 10/30.

100/30

Trying

yeah that helps

less weight than the field

Very simple for me.
The horse must have a far greater chance than the odds available.

* available suggest.

luckyme..what if its a course winner and a distance winner but not a c\d winner

Knows how to put its head in front.Everyday you hear tales about how unlucky they were in running when in fact thay aren't unlucky,they are DOGS.Half the blooming things will not even go to the front never mind stopping when they do see daylight.

Has previously shown it can win/go close on the ground or surface would be my main decider.

Class of race is a factor too and having won at the course and distance are also obviously important but would you be put off by a non-CD winner that had been beaten in a photo the last time it ran there over the trip?

At one time I would also have said a recent run to prove its fitness but don't really think that is as much of an issue as in the past now.

just one simple thing I look for before placing cash on a horse. the name k. fallon must not appear near its name on the racecard!!!!!

Must be racing off a winning mark. Weight stops even the greatest horses.

Aug 7, 2014 -- 11:43PM, conductor wrote:

just one simple thing I look for before placing cash on a horse. the name k. fallon must not appear near its name on the racecard!!!!!

Or C.Catlin

Chris catlin has the the biggest fall from grace i can recall.

he was a AW specialist at one point, being widely respected
How that guy has lost interest and ability, so fast and so much is beyond me.

were is he now?

Course winner is good.as is a winner in either of its previous two races.

Course winner is good.as is a winner in either of its previous two races.

presume you are having a bubble Facts

Three things. Odds. Odds. Odds. Racingstar knows.

Odds mean nothing if it cant go on the ground...the main factor for me..

Ground..price..distance..jockey..trainer form...race class..rating..only one piece of criteria is stupid

ETERNALOPTIMIST you have nailed it,the much maligned Van Der Wheil used to say about successful betting

Its all tied up with temperament and odds

He was absolutely 100% correct.

Clearly,the ground and distance are of major importance but,they have already been taken into account by your odds assessment.

The trainer takes a lot of these things into account ie course distance ground etc.

I need to see with my own eyes thats its more than likely to win or lose

it's brown

it's a grey

Whether "ho ho ho big fella" has tipped it, if so steer clear.

paddock inspection,and see how they go to post.

if you can't assess whether the horse goes on the ground, at the trip, or is on (or potentially on) a winning mark, then there is no way of knowing whether the horse has a greater chance than the available odds.

So these eggs must come before the chicken.

Race trends, days since run, Distance win, SF in Daily Mirror,

You must know when the horse is poised to win,if it is on the boil,answer this and you are a long way there.

pinza..SF in the daily mirror

For a maximum bet the horse needs to be progressive or well handicapped, preferably both.

Not to back odds on if it hasn't already won a race.

Not to back lightweights in handicaps, you are betting against the fastest horses on known form/ratings.

Not to back anything on Shergar Cup day, it is like a non competitive school sports day.

Its all tied up with temperament and odds

Absolutely.

Except VDW wasn't referring to the odds you can get from a bookie.

one eye--monmouth

going and trip

As regards the vast majority of punters, the one criterion they should always follow is to back the favourite.

They'll need to know an awful lot more than they do know to beat the returns they get from simply backing the favourite.

pretty sure course & distance winner has a negative impact on ROI  ie backing all C&D winners returns a greater loss than backing all none C&D winners....not for a moment suggesting you'd back everyone or that you wouldnt apply other criteria aswell...just saying, that's all

I think what they mean when they say back a c and d winner is that they'll look at the horse and if it meets their other criteria they'll back it.

I don't think they mean back all c and d winners regardless.

C&D And a nice lass leading up..............................

Yeah Dr thats what I meant anyway, if I am having a decent bet I like it to be a coyrse and distance winner.

max lay if it has had a dump pre race

that's what i went to the trouble to clarify, dr crippen

Oh sorry Duncan, I certainly didn't read your post properly.

Bless you, Dr

RacingStar knows.

If moneytree has tipped it, avoid.

cardifffc  • August 8, 2014 5:22 PM BST 
pinza..SF in the daily mirrorLaughLaugh

You are not the only one misguided about Daily Mirror.

Todays bets (Distance win & SF)

Musselburgh:
Tentrum Star 2nd 10/11f (Conditions)
Alex My Boy WON 11/8f (Hcp)

Brighton:
Panther Patrol WON 9/4f (Hcp)
Darnathean WON 11/4 (Hcp)

Lingfield:
Diminutive UNPL (seller)
Mick Duggan WON 2/1f (Hcp)

NMKT:
Etaab Unpl (Hcp)

HAYDOCK:
Lady Desire WON 4/1 (Hcp)
Two Turtle Doves WON 7/2 (Hcp)
Special Fighter  ? (Hcp)

6 winners from 10 qualifiers (one to go in 8.30)
I only back in hcps & Group races (avoiding odds on runners)

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