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Yes, then maximum effort 3 strides from the line to make it look good.
Not in their interests to have the gelding beating the entire there.
The comical thing was Fallon almost put Cavalryman over the rail after he looked behind to see who was chasing him.
The comical thing was Fallon almost put Cavalryman over the rail after he looked behind to see who was chasing him.
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Comedy gold there......such unsporting bitterness is worrying really and of course nothing to do with anyone's poor judgement being shown to be just that eh?
Comedy gold there......such unsporting bitterness is worrying really and of course nothing to do with anyone's poor judgement being shown to be just that eh?
Oh dear it's ima.
No bitterness or poor judgement here and I'd suggest not quite as worrying as someone having to pop up on every thread involving Fallon but there you go.
No bitterness or poor judgement here and I'd suggest not quite as worrying as someone having to pop up on every thread involving Fallon but there you go.
No bet from me ima, and not really bothered who won, just expressing an opinion. You don't have work yourself into a tizzy whenever the bold KF is involved in any post.
Saying that he's gone at the game (or words to that effect) Marcee and that he's nowhere near the jockey he was and then me saying if the horse is good enough then Fallon still is seems to smack of bitterness when a person can't just say OK maybe I was wrong and the other fella has a point.
That someone having to pop up on every Fallon thread comment, I'm sure I've dealt with this numerous times before where I've mentioned I never start threads on him and am just adding some balance, but don't you always seem to pop up in them too? The lack of self-awareness is such a quaint little thing eh?
Not every post of mine is aimed at every other poster gbtp regarding the bitterness comment and from memory I don't really recall if you even have a view on Fallon so if it doesn't apply to you then fair enough, but I'd just point out that Bentley's horse got slightly hampered at just about the stage that Fallon kicked on and that's where the race was won and although he did close up at the finish, that little buffer gained earlier always looked enough.
That someone having to pop up on every Fallon thread comment, I'm sure I've dealt with this numerous times before where I've mentioned I never start threads on him and am just adding some balance, but don't you always seem to pop up in them too? The lack of self-awareness is such a quaint little thing eh?
Not every post of mine is aimed at every other poster gbtp regarding the bitterness comment and from memory I don't really recall if you even have a view on Fallon so if it doesn't apply to you then fair enough, but I'd just point out that Bentley's horse got slightly hampered at just about the stage that Fallon kicked on and that's where the race was won and although he did close up at the finish, that little buffer gained earlier always looked enough.
No ima I don't and you do plus I've also said to you before that you're incapable of letting a Fallon thread pass without comment whoever starts them. I had a quick little scan on all the Fallon threads on this page and guess what? You pop up on all of them. Then you talk about self awareness. I mean honestly.
Btw well done on that post showing a complete lack of understanding about the integrity rules on that thread about his agent
Oh and for the umpteenth time whilst you remain absolutely desperate for a few winning rides to be incontrovertible proof of someone being as good as ever some of use a wider picture.
Now if you'll excuse me I've got better things to do than waste more time with you on a subject you haven't an earthly of ever being able to have a reasoned opinion on.
Btw well done on that post showing a complete lack of understanding about the integrity rules on that thread about his agent
Oh and for the umpteenth time whilst you remain absolutely desperate for a few winning rides to be incontrovertible proof of someone being as good as ever some of use a wider picture.
Now if you'll excuse me I've got better things to do than waste more time with you on a subject you haven't an earthly of ever being able to have a reasoned opinion on.
Thats fine ima, but let me put you on the spot, if you don't mind! Simple question really, and yes or no answer if possible. Do you think Harry would have tried a bit harder if the leader had not been his stable-mate?
Harry is of very very limited ability amazingly gets rides for top owners and trainers.Has ridden just 14 winners this year says it all really so dont see why so shocked by it .
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Harry is of very very limited ability amazingly gets rides for top owners and trainers.Has ridden just 14 winners this year says it all really so dont see why so shocked by it .
WALOS.
Is that why so many top class trainers and wealthy owners put him up,he is only young and is still learning his trade,make no mistake he will be a top class jockey in 2/3 years time when he strengthens up a bit more,the fact is he does not knock horses about and punters who know nothing are the first to criticise.
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Harry is of very very limited ability amazingly gets rides for top owners and trainers.Has ridden just 14 winners this year says it all really so dont see why so shocked by it .
WALOS.
Is that why so many top class trainers and wealthy owners put him up,he is only young and is still learning his trade,make no mistake he will be a top class jockey in 2/3 years time when he strengthens up a bit more,the fact is he does not knock horses about and punters who know nothing are the first to criticise.
While you were having your quick little scan Marcee did you spot your name in every Fallon thread too? That's what I'm on about regarding a lack of self awareness as I know full well I post in threads about him (I'm actually there when I'm doing it) and most regulars on here know I will, but you post on him as much if not more yet tell me I'm the one obsessed. Has it every occurred to you that if nobody started a thread on him every time he lost a race then I'd have no reason to post?
If Fallon's agent was allowed to operate as his agent in the first place then presumably no integrity rules were broken and well done on your canny ability to not see the wood for the trees, as I merely asked it is any different from Graham Rock and Matt Chapman acting as agents but if you think so then say why. I then stressed there's nothing wrong with jockeys giving info as long as they don't take payment for it and apart from anything else, if his agent's main job is to put him on winners then you would image he wants to put him on ones with a chance, so if his agent wants to punt those too then where's the problem? It's even less of an issue though if that agent's reason for splitting with Fallon was that doing the job interfered with his ability to punt and by that I would assume he meant finding the time involved to do both.
Those few winning rides regarding Fallon, would that be the ones where he wins if the horse is good enough and that kind of thing by any chance? 7 Group race wins this year so far including a classic and not bad for a jockey "nowhere near as good as he was" eh?
We've all got better things to do though and I'm still laughing at the ridiculous claim that "Fallon almost put Cavalryman over the rail after he looked behind to see who was chasing him" and then you go on about "reasoned opinion" which is quite funny really, because everything you accuse me of regarding Fallon applies far more to you, only from the opposite viewpoint, as in an ultra biased but negative one.
No is my one word answer to your question gbtp but now for the elaborating part.
Fallon got first run on him when Bentley was behind a couple of horses and had to wait for the gap, he then rode his horse as vigorously as could be expected, including giving it several smacks with the whip but his horse started to drift towards the rail (the grass lines clearly show this) and he corrected it a couple of times knowing there's no point lugging in behind the leader if then needing to pass it, so he put down his whip, straightened his horse and pushed it all the way to the line where the gap closed but the line came too soon.
If Fallon's agent was allowed to operate as his agent in the first place then presumably no integrity rules were broken and well done on your canny ability to not see the wood for the trees, as I merely asked it is any different from Graham Rock and Matt Chapman acting as agents but if you think so then say why. I then stressed there's nothing wrong with jockeys giving info as long as they don't take payment for it and apart from anything else, if his agent's main job is to put him on winners then you would image he wants to put him on ones with a chance, so if his agent wants to punt those too then where's the problem? It's even less of an issue though if that agent's reason for splitting with Fallon was that doing the job interfered with his ability to punt and by that I would assume he meant finding the time involved to do both.
Those few winning rides regarding Fallon, would that be the ones where he wins if the horse is good enough and that kind of thing by any chance? 7 Group race wins this year so far including a classic and not bad for a jockey "nowhere near as good as he was" eh?
We've all got better things to do though and I'm still laughing at the ridiculous claim that "Fallon almost put Cavalryman over the rail after he looked behind to see who was chasing him" and then you go on about "reasoned opinion" which is quite funny really, because everything you accuse me of regarding Fallon applies far more to you, only from the opposite viewpoint, as in an ultra biased but negative one.
No is my one word answer to your question gbtp but now for the elaborating part.
Fallon got first run on him when Bentley was behind a couple of horses and had to wait for the gap, he then rode his horse as vigorously as could be expected, including giving it several smacks with the whip but his horse started to drift towards the rail (the grass lines clearly show this) and he corrected it a couple of times knowing there's no point lugging in behind the leader if then needing to pass it, so he put down his whip, straightened his horse and pushed it all the way to the line where the gap closed but the line came too soon.
Just back from Glorious, and I agree with FrankRA re Harry Bentley, and he definitely (still) has considerable potential. Re today's race, I agree with the race assessments on here, he was slightly checked in his run AND there was no evidence of any lack of effort on Bentley's part.
For what it's worth, Ahzeemah was my bet of the day today at Goodwood, and he looked a picture. Entirely happy with the ride. Mind I had the forecast to a fiver
For those not there Estimate looked lacklustre and was "sweating between".
For what it's worth, Ahzeemah was my bet of the day today at Goodwood, and he looked a picture. Entirely happy with the ride. Mind I had the forecast to a fiver
For those not there Estimate looked lacklustre and was "sweating between".
ER how many years potential does he need,so many miles ahead of him now and will be in years to come.If you need me to name 20 better i will, frank ra what has he ever done in his career to get what he does.Was app to Gary moore and never got a ride of him that about sums it up.
WINS RUNS % 2NDS 3RDS 4THS WIN PRIZE TOTAL PRIZE £1 STAKE
2014 14 153 9% 18 19 10 £58,347 £242,778 -73.28
2013 35 300 12% 36 34 40 £154,169 £342,712 -90.20
2012 31 279 11% 29 24 27 £130,049 £247,807 -43.53
2011 47 380 12% 44 35 44 £202,668 £289,599 +39.28
2010 13 136 10% 12 18 12 £36,173 £67,499 +8.73
2009 0 8 — 1 1 1 £0 £1,301 -8.00
LAST 14 DAYSHORSESS
Has ridden 140 winners in 5 years some going considering the trainers rides for
2014 14 153 9% 18 19 10 £58,347 £242,778 -73.28
2013 35 300 12% 36 34 40 £154,169 £342,712 -90.20
2012 31 279 11% 29 24 27 £130,049 £247,807 -43.53
2011 47 380 12% 44 35 44 £202,668 £289,599 +39.28
2010 13 136 10% 12 18 12 £36,173 £67,499 +8.73
2009 0 8 — 1 1 1 £0 £1,301 -8.00
LAST 14 DAYSHORSESS
Has ridden 140 winners in 5 years some going considering the trainers rides for
No doubt in my mind that Ahzeemah would have won with a decent ride. First he allowed Kingscote on Brown Panther to intimidate and bump him and then he was pathetic once he'd got out. Not sure what to make of it tho it probably was weakness in a finish more than anything. Absolutely no doubt whatsoever that if a Ryan Moore or james Doyle was aboard they'd have got it home from the position it was in a furlong out. Ludicrous when people come on here and say that 95% of the time the jockey doesn't make a difference.
On a separate not it's quite clear that the whole forum should just get together and totally ignore Ima Mug. His obsession with Fallon is pathetic and mind numbingly boring.
On a separate not it's quite clear that the whole forum should just get together and totally ignore Ima Mug. His obsession with Fallon is pathetic and mind numbingly boring.
queen bee
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ER how many years potential does he need,so many miles ahead of him now and will be in years to come.If you need me to name 20 better i will, frank ra what has he ever done in his career to get what he does.Was app to Gary Moore and never got a ride of him that about sums it up.
I would get your facts right before you start spurting rubbish,HB didnt start riding until late 2009,only having 8 rides,he rode his his first winner Prince Valentine at Kempton in Jan 2010 for Gary Moore,the reason he gets so many rides from top trainers is simply because not only is he a good jockey (not top class just yet),but he is a very sympathetic rider and many of the horses he rides are educational rides which he is under orders not to knock them about.
Here are just 3 of the winners he rode for Gary Moore in 2009,before he went to William Knight.
Finch Flyer Gary Moore 62 1 3 £1,943 £2,713 0.25
Timeteam Gary Moore 75 1 2 £1,943 £1,943 -0.27
Prince Valentine Gary Moore 56 1 5 £1,365 £1,509 8.00
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ER how many years potential does he need,so many miles ahead of him now and will be in years to come.If you need me to name 20 better i will, frank ra what has he ever done in his career to get what he does.Was app to Gary Moore and never got a ride of him that about sums it up.
I would get your facts right before you start spurting rubbish,HB didnt start riding until late 2009,only having 8 rides,he rode his his first winner Prince Valentine at Kempton in Jan 2010 for Gary Moore,the reason he gets so many rides from top trainers is simply because not only is he a good jockey (not top class just yet),but he is a very sympathetic rider and many of the horses he rides are educational rides which he is under orders not to knock them about.
Here are just 3 of the winners he rode for Gary Moore in 2009,before he went to William Knight.
Finch Flyer Gary Moore 62 1 3 £1,943 £2,713 0.25
Timeteam Gary Moore 75 1 2 £1,943 £1,943 -0.27
Prince Valentine Gary Moore 56 1 5 £1,365 £1,509 8.00
I think its fair to say that had Fallon been on the runner up he would have won.
I also think its a fair bet that no Jockey riding today or possibly in the near future will ever surpass the talent that Fallon once had.
In my 50 odd years of being addicted to the game I totally agree with the majority of past and present commentators that Fallon in his hey day has been the closest to the great Lester in ticking all the boxes.
His own worst enemy is a given guilty but the nonsense accusations of cheating is the stuff of childish playground talk that says much about the accusers.
Natural decline comes to all and with it comes inferior quality rides and even worse confidence is eroded.
Fallon is a shadow of his great days but every now and again there is a ride from the past but his successor is not riding today and it may be a while before he does.
I also think its a fair bet that no Jockey riding today or possibly in the near future will ever surpass the talent that Fallon once had.
In my 50 odd years of being addicted to the game I totally agree with the majority of past and present commentators that Fallon in his hey day has been the closest to the great Lester in ticking all the boxes.
His own worst enemy is a given guilty but the nonsense accusations of cheating is the stuff of childish playground talk that says much about the accusers.
Natural decline comes to all and with it comes inferior quality rides and even worse confidence is eroded.
Fallon is a shadow of his great days but every now and again there is a ride from the past but his successor is not riding today and it may be a while before he does.
I think RL moore has surpassed the level that fallon ever reached in his pomp, cant say there are many others that have got close though as I agree he was top class in his time and is still good albeit in natural decline
I SEEN HARRYS CAR TWICE BEFORE RACING IN THE SAME WEEK AND HE RODE A WINNER BOTH TIMES
Ryan Moore,as wonders has said has already achieved far more than Fallon ever achieved and is still relatively young,you only have to see what J Obrien has achieved riding for his father to see that any half decent jockey can win G1 races if given the chance, Eddery,Dettori,Cauthen all better than Fallon in their prime.
And Fred Archer in his day must have been outstanding to consistently ride over 200 winners in a season (8 times in fact).
He held the record for winners in a season (246) until this was broken by G Richards,Archer must surely figure in any list of greats,and he would probably have been the best in any era.
And Fred Archer in his day must have been outstanding to consistently ride over 200 winners in a season (8 times in fact).
He held the record for winners in a season (246) until this was broken by G Richards,Archer must surely figure in any list of greats,and he would probably have been the best in any era.
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I SEEN HARRYS CAR TWICE BEFORE RACING IN THE SAME WEEK AND HE RODE A WINNER BOTH TIMES
What is he driving the last time I saw him his dad was doing the driving ?
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I SEEN HARRYS CAR TWICE BEFORE RACING IN THE SAME WEEK AND HE RODE A WINNER BOTH TIMES
What is he driving the last time I saw him his dad was doing the driving ?
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