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Transcript of Jockeys Paul Mullrenan and Martin Dywers audio conversation
Mul: Good mate, much happening?
MD: Just on my way to Lingfield…..
Mul: Just at home mate, watching the football – Chelsea are playing aren’t
they?
MD: Yeah, they just scored
Mul: Yeah, just been watching the end of a film – Raging Bull. I’m just
watching the end of that then the football
MD; What Jake la Motta? ****g great, it’s a true story.
Mul: yeah I know
MD: It’s tomorrow isn’t it, Bombay?
Mul: Bombay, yeah tomorrow
MD: Are you riding that Onassis?
Mul: I ride that tomorrow, yeah
MD: Do you fancy him?
Mul: Yeah he’s come out of his race well anyway yeah
MD: How did he run in the Derby, fourth wasn’t he?
Mul: He finished fourth in the Derby and everyone was saying, he probably
didn’t quite stay Martin. He wasn’t beat far.
MD: Yeah you were keen weren’t you?
Mul: Kieran rode him
MD: Oh yeah of course he did, you rode yours didn’t you?
Mul: They all ****g. He kicked Kieran to follow you and then he went to
keep Richard in didn’t he
MD: Yeah that right yeah
But I’ve seen him – I haven’t sat on him – I seen him the other morning and
he was mad fresh so he’s come out of his race well. Kieran didn’t knock him
about.
MD: Eh, right
Mul: I’ve got to ring your man later on. I was speaking to him in the week
so I might have a few quid on it tomorrow
MD: Well I’m going to back the filly
Mul: That isn’t much though is it, yours , Icebreaker.
MD: Yeah I thought she’s be a few in. A good filly mate. She gave me a
better feel than the horse I rode in the Derby.
Mul: You reckon I should go with that one will I?
MD: yeah my horse I rode in the Derby I mean Onassis is nowhere near as
that though is he?
Mul: No he’s not as good - Yeah he’s a long way behind yours isn’t he?
MD: Well this filly is as good as the horse I rode in the Derby.
Mul: Yeah
MD: Yeah she’s going to Dubai I found a race in Qatar that he might run in
****g I think its 160,000 dollars at the end of next month
Mull: I suppose that Icebreaker finished in front of that ****g Desert
Dynamite didn’t it at Mumbai? That’s a good horse isn’t it that Dynamite
thing isn’t it? Dancing Dyanamite.
MD: Yeah Dancing Dynamite. Listen I rode DD last week and I rode the horse
I rode in the Derby and I rode Icebreaker and Icebreaker is by far ****g
better. She’s as good as the horse I rode in the Derby, if not better
Mul: Alright then, I’ll leave mine then – I’ll tell him that.
MD: Yeah well er you do what you want but that’s my feeling – especially
having a run. I know Kieran wasn’t hard but ****g Onassis had a hard race
in the Derby - you can’t cover that distance against them horses at that
pace and not have a you know
Mul: Yeah true
MD: this filly is ****g smart and she’s training well and
Mul: I suppose if it’s good enough to beat ****g Dancing Dynamite, that
went and won as well as well next time
MD: Yeah INAUDIBLE
Mul: Yeah well Raj backed that for me as well but the other ****g thing
got beat but I still ended up even
MD: Yeah I did the same we all did that we just had that in as a saver
Mul: Yeah that’s what I’m going to try to do – just have one bet every now
instead of ****g backing two and three chasing your tale
MD: Well you do what you want but if I was you I wouldn’t be backing
Onassis against this horse.
Mul: Yeah. How will he ride that Icebreaker – will it be ridden handy?
MD: He’ll do whatever he wants on the day. There’s only 6 runners, so he
can do whatever he wants.
Mul: Yeah cos that other thing INAUDIBLE NAME OF HORSE (Paces) will make
the running phenomenal
MD: Yeah well he’ll probably take the lead
Mul: That’s a bit last??
MD: Yeah she’s flying. Anyway If I was you I wouldn’t be backing against
Icebreaker.
Mul: I suppose, yeah, he only ran a week ago didn’t he fck me?
MD: He only ran a week ago and had a hard race, I don’t care what anyone
says. Kieran was there being paid. He had a go
Mul: Yeah he had a go didn’t he?
MD: He had a barging match round the bend with ****g Sylvetser. This
filly’s a good filly and she’s fresh
Mul: yeah
MD: You wither want to back the filly or leave it. I wouldn’t want to be
backing yours against it
Mul: I’ll do that then – I’ll ring him later on Ive got 8-7 tomorrow so I
was gonna meet him tonight but I’ve got 8-7 tomorrow so fck it I’m not
going out
MD: Alright well give him a ring, tell him that Pacies will make the
running and you’ll probably hold yours up cos that’s what you’re gonna do.
Then either back the filly or do what you want to do it’s up to you
Mul: Yeah I’ll do that then I’ll ring him in a bit now after this match
MD: Yeah well we may as well sing off the same song sheet – don’t tell the
other cnts, make a few quid for yourself
Mul: I abused the fck out of that fella today……
IRRELEVANT ANECDOTE ABOUT HAVING A GO AT SOMEONE
MD: You’re dealing with mushrooms mate. Speak to that guy again and say,
‘listen mate no hard feelings but I’m not interested. Tell him you’re not
interested in gambling I just want to do my job and leave it at that.’ Them
mushrooms will get you hung, drawn and quartered.
Mul: He goes what are we doing wrong he says – I am owner, James can say I
was speaking to him about his horses. I said I told you, ‘don’t ring him,
it’s not rocket science just don’t ring him. He’s just a ****g ****
MD: He’s a ****g mushroom just ****g cut him off and tell him you’re
not interested in gambling and you don’t want to know.
Mul: Yup
MD: Just say you want to do your job and leave it at that and say the same
to Sham as well
Mul: I was in bed Martin today after riding out and he rang about 17 times.
So then I spoke to him later on and went mad at him. He said ‘oh I only
wanted to know about Bangalore, you are friends with Dave Allan.’
MD: I said, ‘I told you Dave Allan isn’t ****g interested. What would I
talk to Dave Allan about his horses for? I am only interested in my own
horses.
MD: Yeah I told you he’s a mushroom – he’s dangerous. Cut him out and if he
bothers you any more I will get someone to ring him and sort him out. The
cheeky cnt. Idiots like that will get you hung.
Mul: And then five minutes later Sham is on the phone so he’s obviously
rang Sham and said blah blah blah. I didn’t answer the phone to Sham – I
couldn’t be **** speaking to him.
MD: Just fck him off don’t worry about him, and leave David out the loop –
he hasn’t got enough ****g brain cells.
Mul: No I know he’s thick as ****g ****
MD: He’s ****g terrified of Paddy/Padow, he does what he’s told. He tries
to win on everything now after what happened to him last year.
Mul: Yeah I never seen it but I heard it was shocking.
MD: Yeah he’s terrified after last year – he does exactly what Paddy tells
him. And er he’s going for his life on this mare tomorrow and she’s pretty
****g good. He’s set up for a race.
Mul: If you say that that’s fair enough then. Fine leave it at that
MD: I mean they’ve got an agreement off Sheikh Mohammed to use any ****g
Darly stallion (?). They are sending this mare to a Darly stallion so
they’re trying to keep her unbeaten and win. So it’s very important that
she wins tomorrow .
Mul: Yeah I don’t know what she looks like but I’ve seen his horses. They
look well , that Beckett looks a million dollars
MD: Yeah I know he’s pretty good. But like I say they’re sending this to a
Darly stallion, they’ve got a programme for her and she should definitely
win tomorrow.
Mul: Pacey (?) didn’t even want to run his horse tomorrow – it’s the owner
who wants to run it.
MD: Yeah well it’s great because your horse is pushing their price out a
bit. There’s no way it’ll back up within a ****g week and beat this
filly – she’s got too much class mate so you do what you want you can back
the mare and take it out of yours if you want. She’s too good.
Mul: I’ll tell him that. I will just try to ****g sit last mine then –
get out of the way
MD: Yeah you just tell him – and this is between you me and him – you tell
him what you want and get yourself a few quid out of it and say nothing.
Mul : Yup
MD: Because you can try your best on yours, but it won’t be ****g good
enough. I’ll leave it with you – speak to him yeah.
Mul: Yeah spot on thanks Martin, I’ll ring him later on
MD: Alright pal nice one. The prices come about half 8 so ring him about
nine o’clock.
Mul: Yeah I’ll ring him later on yeah cos I was gonna meet him and he said
meet him between 9 and 10 at the thing the Intercontinental again but I’ve
got 8:7 tomorrow and this ****g clash of the titans bollocks so I’ll give
it a miss but I’ll ring him later on
MD: Yeah ring him and tell him how you think the race is gonna pan and tell
him what you wanna do out but don’t worry about it, it will dead easy
Mul: Yeah how’s your luck been since you’ve been back?
MD: I’ve only been chipping away, because I’m moving house so I’m working
on that. If you meet him again meet him down in you know Jazz by the Bay ?
Mul: Jazz by the Bay yeah.
MD: Meet him in there – a ****g smashing little place that. It’s always
dead busy. Get a little table in the corner, it’s all the young idiots you
know? All the ****g 18 to 20-year olds there’ll be no **** in there
you’ll you know. It’s a great place.
Mul: That’s grand, I’ll meet him in there.
MD: It’s a great little place to meet cos it’s full of all the ****g rich
kids off their heads. You won’t really see – It’s a nice place to meet
there
Mul: Sound
MD: Alright son
Mul: Cheers Martin I’ll speak to you later on
MD: See you later, take it easy mate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...ure%3Dyoutu.be&has_verified=1
Mul: Good mate, much happening?
MD: Just on my way to Lingfield…..
Mul: Just at home mate, watching the football – Chelsea are playing aren’t
they?
MD: Yeah, they just scored
Mul: Yeah, just been watching the end of a film – Raging Bull. I’m just
watching the end of that then the football
MD; What Jake la Motta? ****g great, it’s a true story.
Mul: yeah I know
MD: It’s tomorrow isn’t it, Bombay?
Mul: Bombay, yeah tomorrow
MD: Are you riding that Onassis?
Mul: I ride that tomorrow, yeah
MD: Do you fancy him?
Mul: Yeah he’s come out of his race well anyway yeah
MD: How did he run in the Derby, fourth wasn’t he?
Mul: He finished fourth in the Derby and everyone was saying, he probably
didn’t quite stay Martin. He wasn’t beat far.
MD: Yeah you were keen weren’t you?
Mul: Kieran rode him
MD: Oh yeah of course he did, you rode yours didn’t you?
Mul: They all ****g. He kicked Kieran to follow you and then he went to
keep Richard in didn’t he
MD: Yeah that right yeah
But I’ve seen him – I haven’t sat on him – I seen him the other morning and
he was mad fresh so he’s come out of his race well. Kieran didn’t knock him
about.
MD: Eh, right
Mul: I’ve got to ring your man later on. I was speaking to him in the week
so I might have a few quid on it tomorrow
MD: Well I’m going to back the filly
Mul: That isn’t much though is it, yours , Icebreaker.
MD: Yeah I thought she’s be a few in. A good filly mate. She gave me a
better feel than the horse I rode in the Derby.
Mul: You reckon I should go with that one will I?
MD: yeah my horse I rode in the Derby I mean Onassis is nowhere near as
that though is he?
Mul: No he’s not as good - Yeah he’s a long way behind yours isn’t he?
MD: Well this filly is as good as the horse I rode in the Derby.
Mul: Yeah
MD: Yeah she’s going to Dubai I found a race in Qatar that he might run in
****g I think its 160,000 dollars at the end of next month
Mull: I suppose that Icebreaker finished in front of that ****g Desert
Dynamite didn’t it at Mumbai? That’s a good horse isn’t it that Dynamite
thing isn’t it? Dancing Dyanamite.
MD: Yeah Dancing Dynamite. Listen I rode DD last week and I rode the horse
I rode in the Derby and I rode Icebreaker and Icebreaker is by far ****g
better. She’s as good as the horse I rode in the Derby, if not better
Mul: Alright then, I’ll leave mine then – I’ll tell him that.
MD: Yeah well er you do what you want but that’s my feeling – especially
having a run. I know Kieran wasn’t hard but ****g Onassis had a hard race
in the Derby - you can’t cover that distance against them horses at that
pace and not have a you know
Mul: Yeah true
MD: this filly is ****g smart and she’s training well and
Mul: I suppose if it’s good enough to beat ****g Dancing Dynamite, that
went and won as well as well next time
MD: Yeah INAUDIBLE
Mul: Yeah well Raj backed that for me as well but the other ****g thing
got beat but I still ended up even
MD: Yeah I did the same we all did that we just had that in as a saver
Mul: Yeah that’s what I’m going to try to do – just have one bet every now
instead of ****g backing two and three chasing your tale
MD: Well you do what you want but if I was you I wouldn’t be backing
Onassis against this horse.
Mul: Yeah. How will he ride that Icebreaker – will it be ridden handy?
MD: He’ll do whatever he wants on the day. There’s only 6 runners, so he
can do whatever he wants.
Mul: Yeah cos that other thing INAUDIBLE NAME OF HORSE (Paces) will make
the running phenomenal
MD: Yeah well he’ll probably take the lead
Mul: That’s a bit last??
MD: Yeah she’s flying. Anyway If I was you I wouldn’t be backing against
Icebreaker.
Mul: I suppose, yeah, he only ran a week ago didn’t he fck me?
MD: He only ran a week ago and had a hard race, I don’t care what anyone
says. Kieran was there being paid. He had a go
Mul: Yeah he had a go didn’t he?
MD: He had a barging match round the bend with ****g Sylvetser. This
filly’s a good filly and she’s fresh
Mul: yeah
MD: You wither want to back the filly or leave it. I wouldn’t want to be
backing yours against it
Mul: I’ll do that then – I’ll ring him later on Ive got 8-7 tomorrow so I
was gonna meet him tonight but I’ve got 8-7 tomorrow so fck it I’m not
going out
MD: Alright well give him a ring, tell him that Pacies will make the
running and you’ll probably hold yours up cos that’s what you’re gonna do.
Then either back the filly or do what you want to do it’s up to you
Mul: Yeah I’ll do that then I’ll ring him in a bit now after this match
MD: Yeah well we may as well sing off the same song sheet – don’t tell the
other cnts, make a few quid for yourself
Mul: I abused the fck out of that fella today……
IRRELEVANT ANECDOTE ABOUT HAVING A GO AT SOMEONE
MD: You’re dealing with mushrooms mate. Speak to that guy again and say,
‘listen mate no hard feelings but I’m not interested. Tell him you’re not
interested in gambling I just want to do my job and leave it at that.’ Them
mushrooms will get you hung, drawn and quartered.
Mul: He goes what are we doing wrong he says – I am owner, James can say I
was speaking to him about his horses. I said I told you, ‘don’t ring him,
it’s not rocket science just don’t ring him. He’s just a ****g ****
MD: He’s a ****g mushroom just ****g cut him off and tell him you’re
not interested in gambling and you don’t want to know.
Mul: Yup
MD: Just say you want to do your job and leave it at that and say the same
to Sham as well
Mul: I was in bed Martin today after riding out and he rang about 17 times.
So then I spoke to him later on and went mad at him. He said ‘oh I only
wanted to know about Bangalore, you are friends with Dave Allan.’
MD: I said, ‘I told you Dave Allan isn’t ****g interested. What would I
talk to Dave Allan about his horses for? I am only interested in my own
horses.
MD: Yeah I told you he’s a mushroom – he’s dangerous. Cut him out and if he
bothers you any more I will get someone to ring him and sort him out. The
cheeky cnt. Idiots like that will get you hung.
Mul: And then five minutes later Sham is on the phone so he’s obviously
rang Sham and said blah blah blah. I didn’t answer the phone to Sham – I
couldn’t be **** speaking to him.
MD: Just fck him off don’t worry about him, and leave David out the loop –
he hasn’t got enough ****g brain cells.
Mul: No I know he’s thick as ****g ****
MD: He’s ****g terrified of Paddy/Padow, he does what he’s told. He tries
to win on everything now after what happened to him last year.
Mul: Yeah I never seen it but I heard it was shocking.
MD: Yeah he’s terrified after last year – he does exactly what Paddy tells
him. And er he’s going for his life on this mare tomorrow and she’s pretty
****g good. He’s set up for a race.
Mul: If you say that that’s fair enough then. Fine leave it at that
MD: I mean they’ve got an agreement off Sheikh Mohammed to use any ****g
Darly stallion (?). They are sending this mare to a Darly stallion so
they’re trying to keep her unbeaten and win. So it’s very important that
she wins tomorrow .
Mul: Yeah I don’t know what she looks like but I’ve seen his horses. They
look well , that Beckett looks a million dollars
MD: Yeah I know he’s pretty good. But like I say they’re sending this to a
Darly stallion, they’ve got a programme for her and she should definitely
win tomorrow.
Mul: Pacey (?) didn’t even want to run his horse tomorrow – it’s the owner
who wants to run it.
MD: Yeah well it’s great because your horse is pushing their price out a
bit. There’s no way it’ll back up within a ****g week and beat this
filly – she’s got too much class mate so you do what you want you can back
the mare and take it out of yours if you want. She’s too good.
Mul: I’ll tell him that. I will just try to ****g sit last mine then –
get out of the way
MD: Yeah you just tell him – and this is between you me and him – you tell
him what you want and get yourself a few quid out of it and say nothing.
Mul : Yup
MD: Because you can try your best on yours, but it won’t be ****g good
enough. I’ll leave it with you – speak to him yeah.
Mul: Yeah spot on thanks Martin, I’ll ring him later on
MD: Alright pal nice one. The prices come about half 8 so ring him about
nine o’clock.
Mul: Yeah I’ll ring him later on yeah cos I was gonna meet him and he said
meet him between 9 and 10 at the thing the Intercontinental again but I’ve
got 8:7 tomorrow and this ****g clash of the titans bollocks so I’ll give
it a miss but I’ll ring him later on
MD: Yeah ring him and tell him how you think the race is gonna pan and tell
him what you wanna do out but don’t worry about it, it will dead easy
Mul: Yeah how’s your luck been since you’ve been back?
MD: I’ve only been chipping away, because I’m moving house so I’m working
on that. If you meet him again meet him down in you know Jazz by the Bay ?
Mul: Jazz by the Bay yeah.
MD: Meet him in there – a ****g smashing little place that. It’s always
dead busy. Get a little table in the corner, it’s all the young idiots you
know? All the ****g 18 to 20-year olds there’ll be no **** in there
you’ll you know. It’s a great place.
Mul: That’s grand, I’ll meet him in there.
MD: It’s a great little place to meet cos it’s full of all the ****g rich
kids off their heads. You won’t really see – It’s a nice place to meet
there
Mul: Sound
MD: Alright son
Mul: Cheers Martin I’ll speak to you later on
MD: See you later, take it easy mate
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Still working here George,might be the link on here,iirc betfair do shorten them,try this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62UezBFY14M&feature=youtu.be&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D62UezBFY14M%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&has_verified=1
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Its good to know jockeys have a bet, its good to know they lose as well as win, what's wrong with two jockeys having a bet?
MD: leave David out the loop –
he hasn’t got enough ****g brain cells.
Mul: No, I know he’s thick as ****g ****
Awkward in the changing rooms
he hasn’t got enough ****g brain cells.
Mul: No, I know he’s thick as ****g ****
Awkward in the changing rooms
what's wrong with two jockeys having a bet?
Jesus Christ, are you for real, arseburglar?
Jesus Christ, are you for real, arseburglar?
HorseBurger1989 22 Jun 14 13:20
Its good to know jockeys have a bet, its good to know they lose as well as win, what's wrong with two jockeys having a bet?
fishing...or you really are clueless..
Its good to know jockeys have a bet, its good to know they lose as well as win, what's wrong with two jockeys having a bet?
fishing...or you really are clueless..
hope the ch 4 gravey trainers who were fawning all over dwyer twice last year when he was bleating about his ban,will consider their positions
having said that dont hold your breath ,as thommo who stood in the old baily accusing fallon of stopping a horse ,doesnt have any problems interviewing him
Cheers turnip turns.
MD: He’s ****g terrified of Paddy/Padow, he does what he’s told. He tries
to win on everything now after what happened to him last year.
Anyone know what had happened to DA the previous year?
MD: He’s ****g terrified of Paddy/Padow, he does what he’s told. He tries
to win on everything now after what happened to him last year.
Anyone know what had happened to DA the previous year?
MD soon shat himself when he did something in india, with punters that dont do a thing in this country they are going to do it, what happens when they throw a race??? they get called "a c***", oh that's really going to scare them isn't it 
, best one is when someone throws their beer at them, so you've lost and then throw a perfectly good beer at them costing you another fiver.
, best one is when someone throws their beer at them, so you've lost and then throw a perfectly good beer at them costing you another fiver.
Horseburger, I wouldn't equate the behaviour of the intemperent citizens of a routinely corrupt country with the fair-minded and sanguine British
Dave - the good of the country get shat on because they do nothing, is it any wonder the corrupt happily go around cra pping on everyone
only way to make anything nowadays is through being dirty and stabbing people in the back. sad but that's the facts
Thanks for typing up, cheers (I would copy and paste if I were you for when it's deleted!)
HorseBurger1989 22 Jun 14 14:23
only way to make anything nowadays is through being dirty and stabbing people in the back. sad but that's the facts
Should I be surprised this is something that this cretin has said? What a top grade bellend.
BHA does not rule out action as Martin Dwyer betting tape goes public
• Rider apparently heard discussing wagering with fellow jockey
• Discussions with Mulrennan were on race in India in 2010
Tony Paley
The Guardian, Monday 23 June 2014 19.18 BST
The British Horseracing Authority has not ruled out any action being taken against Martin Dwyer and Paul Mulrennan after an alleged tape recording of a conversation discussing betting on horses while the jockeys were riding in India appeared in public via YouTube for the first time at the weekend.
In the recording, sent anonymously to the Royal Western Indian Turf Club in September, Dwyer and Mulrennan are apparently heard talking about the 2010 running of the Eclipse Stakes of India. Dwyer informs Mulrennan that Onassis, the horse the latter is riding in the race, cannot possibly beat Icebreaker, the filly which Dwyer says: “I’m going to back,” before recommending to his fellow rider, “You either want to back the filly or leave it. I wouldn’t be backing yours against it.”
In response to a discussion on the tactics likely to be employed Mulrennan, who also discusses betting on other races in India, states: “I’ll try and sit last on mine [in the Eclipse Stakes] then – get out of the way.”
Dwyer appears confident the filly will win the race at Mahalaxmi racecourse in Mumbai the next day, asserting: “She [Icebreaker] is as good as the horse I rode in the Derby … this filly is ****g smart, she’s training well.” Mulrennan informs him in response to further discussions on the heat that his mount is running on the insistence of the owner.
In the subsequent race Icebreaker was ridden to victory by David Allan, who is not alleged to have had any knowledge of the discussions between his weighing room colleagues.
The RWITC stewards held an inquiry into the matter after the tape came into their possession last autumn but it was reported last month that both jockeys and the BHA had been informed that no disciplinary action would be taken.
The pair have been told that licence applications from them would not be considered in the future unless they attended a stewards’ inquiry first but Dwyer has already publicly stated that he does not plan to return.
When asked about the content of the tape and whether the authority itself would consider taking action, the BHA spokesman, Robin Mounsey, said: “[We] are aware of the audio recording and the fact that it has now been posted publicly does not alter our approach to this matter.
“In the first instance the matter was the subject of an investigation by RWITC. That process was recently concluded. It is BHA policy never to comment on our own investigations or speculation surrounding possible investigations.”
He added: “The RWITC wrote to the BHA to request that we compel Dwyer and Mulrennan to attend a stewards’ inquiry in India.
“The BHA responded to explain that we do not have the power to compel individuals to attend other recognised authorities’ disciplinary proceedings.”
The authenticity of the tape would appear not to be in question with the RWITC understood to have had the recording independently verified.
On Monday the Professional Jockeys’ Association issued a statement on behalf of Dwyer and Mulrennan which read: “Both jockeys were happy to co-operate with the RWITC but had a number of questions before they were willing to fly to India to be interviewed. No disciplinary proceedings were instigated and RWITC have informed the jockeys that they will not be able to ride there this winter until they travel to India to be interviewed.”
• Rider apparently heard discussing wagering with fellow jockey
• Discussions with Mulrennan were on race in India in 2010
Tony Paley
The Guardian, Monday 23 June 2014 19.18 BST
The British Horseracing Authority has not ruled out any action being taken against Martin Dwyer and Paul Mulrennan after an alleged tape recording of a conversation discussing betting on horses while the jockeys were riding in India appeared in public via YouTube for the first time at the weekend.
In the recording, sent anonymously to the Royal Western Indian Turf Club in September, Dwyer and Mulrennan are apparently heard talking about the 2010 running of the Eclipse Stakes of India. Dwyer informs Mulrennan that Onassis, the horse the latter is riding in the race, cannot possibly beat Icebreaker, the filly which Dwyer says: “I’m going to back,” before recommending to his fellow rider, “You either want to back the filly or leave it. I wouldn’t be backing yours against it.”
In response to a discussion on the tactics likely to be employed Mulrennan, who also discusses betting on other races in India, states: “I’ll try and sit last on mine [in the Eclipse Stakes] then – get out of the way.”
Dwyer appears confident the filly will win the race at Mahalaxmi racecourse in Mumbai the next day, asserting: “She [Icebreaker] is as good as the horse I rode in the Derby … this filly is ****g smart, she’s training well.” Mulrennan informs him in response to further discussions on the heat that his mount is running on the insistence of the owner.
In the subsequent race Icebreaker was ridden to victory by David Allan, who is not alleged to have had any knowledge of the discussions between his weighing room colleagues.
The RWITC stewards held an inquiry into the matter after the tape came into their possession last autumn but it was reported last month that both jockeys and the BHA had been informed that no disciplinary action would be taken.
The pair have been told that licence applications from them would not be considered in the future unless they attended a stewards’ inquiry first but Dwyer has already publicly stated that he does not plan to return.
When asked about the content of the tape and whether the authority itself would consider taking action, the BHA spokesman, Robin Mounsey, said: “[We] are aware of the audio recording and the fact that it has now been posted publicly does not alter our approach to this matter.
“In the first instance the matter was the subject of an investigation by RWITC. That process was recently concluded. It is BHA policy never to comment on our own investigations or speculation surrounding possible investigations.”
He added: “The RWITC wrote to the BHA to request that we compel Dwyer and Mulrennan to attend a stewards’ inquiry in India.
“The BHA responded to explain that we do not have the power to compel individuals to attend other recognised authorities’ disciplinary proceedings.”
The authenticity of the tape would appear not to be in question with the RWITC understood to have had the recording independently verified.
On Monday the Professional Jockeys’ Association issued a statement on behalf of Dwyer and Mulrennan which read: “Both jockeys were happy to co-operate with the RWITC but had a number of questions before they were willing to fly to India to be interviewed. No disciplinary proceedings were instigated and RWITC have informed the jockeys that they will not be able to ride there this winter until they travel to India to be interviewed.”
BHA spokesman, Robin Mounsey, said: “[We] are aware of the audio recording and the fact that it has now been posted publicly does not alter our approach to this matter.
Of course not Robin, of course not...
Of course not Robin, of course not...
Reaction likely to be oh shhiiiit,now we have to do something.
New rules, do what you like abroad And Bha give you a pat on the back when you return
Erm, is this the same Paul Mullrenan that Line of Reason's owner replaced Fallon with because he wanted an honest jockey on board?
Oops.
Oops.
don't know about oops!,thought Mulrennan
won on him nto.
won on him nto.
He did penzance but it was the honest jockey part that amused me, hence the oops.
Well this video explains why they flock to India during the winter...
Also about David Allen.....what's the deal here...why is he so terrified of the trainer and feels he has to win every race?
Should play it on the 6clock news Bha would soon react then when the public hear it would be uproar and shame 
Didn't David Allan get a ban a few years back for dropping his hands and maybe that's what they meant about trying to win on everything?
I don't know exactly when it was or if it fits into this time frame but if it was that then maybe they weren't specifically saying he was afraid of "Paddy" (Icebreaker's trainer Padmanabhan) and just meant he was frightened of c0cking up in general, so would really be going for it.
I don't know exactly when it was or if it fits into this time frame but if it was that then maybe they weren't specifically saying he was afraid of "Paddy" (Icebreaker's trainer Padmanabhan) and just meant he was frightened of c0cking up in general, so would really be going for it.
Get into bed ima ya fool ya......I don't know what you said but I can guarantee.....its a load of tosh as usual.....
this is why i rarely have a horse racing bet these days 
You know full well what I said paulie numbnuts and see you are still pretending you have blocked me.
I'll humour you though and apart from stating the obvious by asking HTF would you know it was a load of tosh if you supposedly can't see it, what I actually said was I'm sure that paulie numbnuts fella knows what it's all about as he's a real shrewdie and always on the ball!
So yeah you were right......It was a load of b0ll0cks.
I'll humour you though and apart from stating the obvious by asking HTF would you know it was a load of tosh if you supposedly can't see it, what I actually said was I'm sure that paulie numbnuts fella knows what it's all about as he's a real shrewdie and always on the ball!
So yeah you were right......It was a load of b0ll0cks.
No problem EastLower Gooner.....nice to see our 9 year wait is over now too.
Jun 23, 2014 -- 3:57PM, ima_mazed66 wrote:Erm, is this the same Paul Mullrenan that Line of Reason's owner replaced Fallon with because he wanted an honest jockey on board? Oops.
Thing is Ima it doesn't matter if they used Dean McKeown, it doesn't excuse Fallon's ride no matter how hard you try.
Also how did tracksuitdave get a copy of the audio file? Or did the India Turf club make it available to everyone.
Jun 24, 2014 -- 6:05AM, Shergar wrote:
How can anyone believe this tape is genuine?
or, how can anyone believe it's not?
both jockeys are to be repersented by rebecca brooks 's lawyer , not guilty verdicts all around will be delivered
They're going to have to knock a couple more feet off of the national's fences to try to dampen it all down a bit
The very tippiest tip of an iceberg, imo.
And people still think viewing figures for racing have collapsed because Clare Balding is a lesbian.
And people still think viewing figures for racing have collapsed because Clare Balding is a lesbian.
where do you start with this?
its one big cans of worms, journalists defend it, BHA doing little....
racing followers getting treated like **** again
its one big cans of worms, journalists defend it, BHA doing little....
racing followers getting treated like **** again
MJK 24 Jun 14 12:20
Thing is Ima it doesn't matter if they used Dean McKeown, it doesn't excuse Fallon's ride no matter how hard you try.
It's deja vu all over again.
The only flaw in your argument there MJK is that there was nothing at all wrong with Fallon's ride and he was following his instruction to a tee, where the owner later told us he was to "let the horse go on as far out as 2 1/2f" and that's what he was doing until the leader bumped him and then had to be pulled up. Maybe that leader went wrong and that's what caused to bump, so that's Fallon's fault then is it?
That bump caused him to have to switch a couple of times to try to get a run and the owner summed that up as him twice taking a pull and disappointing the horse, plus he even threw in an accusation of Fallon doing a couple of air shots too and all of that is still as much total nonsense now as it was then when he first said it.
Tracked leaders, effort when not clear run and hampered 2f out, soon switched right and ridden, no impression and
Tracked leaders, not clear run then bumped over 2f out, weakened and eased inside final furlong
So tell me how those comments from professional race reader from the R Post and SP Life in any way indicate Fallon wasn't riding to his orders until the bump?
The main thing I found amusing though is making those suggestions of dishonesty against Fallon without any basis to them and then puts up Paul Mullrenan as an honest jockey.....And there was me thinking jockeys couldn't bet or collude to predetermine a race between them.
Thing is Ima it doesn't matter if they used Dean McKeown, it doesn't excuse Fallon's ride no matter how hard you try.
It's deja vu all over again.
The only flaw in your argument there MJK is that there was nothing at all wrong with Fallon's ride and he was following his instruction to a tee, where the owner later told us he was to "let the horse go on as far out as 2 1/2f" and that's what he was doing until the leader bumped him and then had to be pulled up. Maybe that leader went wrong and that's what caused to bump, so that's Fallon's fault then is it?
That bump caused him to have to switch a couple of times to try to get a run and the owner summed that up as him twice taking a pull and disappointing the horse, plus he even threw in an accusation of Fallon doing a couple of air shots too and all of that is still as much total nonsense now as it was then when he first said it.
Tracked leaders, effort when not clear run and hampered 2f out, soon switched right and ridden, no impression and
Tracked leaders, not clear run then bumped over 2f out, weakened and eased inside final furlong
So tell me how those comments from professional race reader from the R Post and SP Life in any way indicate Fallon wasn't riding to his orders until the bump?
The main thing I found amusing though is making those suggestions of dishonesty against Fallon without any basis to them and then puts up Paul Mullrenan as an honest jockey.....And there was me thinking jockeys couldn't bet or collude to predetermine a race between them.
So why did Fallon phone the trainer immediately after the race to apologise for his poor ride ? ( As the owner pointed out last week )
What did they do wrong apart from talk about who might win? They are not talking about stopping any horses.
Until the rules are trainers cannot bet, owners cannot bet, and jockeys cannot bet this sort of thing will carry on.
Ban connections from betting in races where they have a runner like in tennis and football and you start to sort out the problems.
Until everyone agrees to do that watch the levy and interest in racing continue to decline.
Until the rules are trainers cannot bet, owners cannot bet, and jockeys cannot bet this sort of thing will carry on.
Ban connections from betting in races where they have a runner like in tennis and football and you start to sort out the problems.
Until everyone agrees to do that watch the levy and interest in racing continue to decline.
A fair question Sir Epicure Mammon and one I asked myself but I probably asked it for a totally different reason to the way some might have.
If a jockey has a bet in a race on another runner frog2 then there isn't always the incentive to win that race himself. Some people often tend to think stopping a horse means it had a chance of winning and the jockey could see that happening during the race so took action to make sure it didn't but you can also obviously reduce a horse's chance of winning too with a particular kind of ride and without it even having looked like it could win.
If a jockey has a bet in a race on another runner frog2 then there isn't always the incentive to win that race himself. Some people often tend to think stopping a horse means it had a chance of winning and the jockey could see that happening during the race so took action to make sure it didn't but you can also obviously reduce a horse's chance of winning too with a particular kind of ride and without it even having looked like it could win.
have a listen to it if you think its not real ,not hard to find
Jun 24, 2014 -- 5:24PM, ima_mazed66 wrote:
MJK 24 Jun 14 12:20 Thing is Ima it doesn't matter if they used Dean McKeown, it doesn't excuse Fallon's ride no matter how hard you try.It's deja vu all over again.The only flaw in your argument there MJK is that there was nothing at all wrong with Fallon's ride and he was following his instruction to a tee, where the owner later told us he was to "let the horse go on as far out as 2 1/2f" and that's what he was doing until the leader bumped him and then had to be pulled up. Maybe that leader went wrong and that's what caused to bump, so that's Fallon's fault then is it?That bump caused him to have to switch a couple of times to try to get a run and the owner summed that up as him twice taking a pull and disappointing the horse, plus he even threw in an accusation of Fallon doing a couple of air shots too and all of that is still as much total nonsense now as it was then when he first said it.Tracked leaders, effort when not clear run and hampered 2f out, soon switched right and ridden, no impression andTracked leaders, not clear run then bumped over 2f out, weakened and eased inside final furlong So tell me how those comments from professional race reader from the R Post and SP Life in any way indicate Fallon wasn't riding to his orders until the bump?The main thing I found amusing though is making those suggestions of dishonesty against Fallon without any basis to them and then puts up Paul Mullrenan as an honest jockey.....And there was me thinking jockeys couldn't bet or collude to predetermine a race between them.
Professional racereaders
Day in day out these guys don't mention 90% of what goes on. How many times do you read 'jockey made a horlicks of it's instead of the gravy train standard 'short of room, unlucky'?
Even if that were true MJK (and it generally isn't) what difference does it make if in this instance both were correct in clearly seeing Line of Reason get bumped and hampered (the horse doing the bumping being pulled up in a sprint was a bit of a give away really) which I also saw and anyone else not in need of Specsavers also could. It's easy to generalise and rubbish something but you can't just ignore specific examples when they are accurate though.
So anyway let's make it easy though and I'll ask did you see the horse get bumped and if so do you think that helped or hindered its chances? Then based on your answer I will know whether I'm wasting my time here and if you are impartial or not or have an agenda.
So anyway let's make it easy though and I'll ask did you see the horse get bumped and if so do you think that helped or hindered its chances? Then based on your answer I will know whether I'm wasting my time here and if you are impartial or not or have an agenda.
Compared to ther jockeys I've seen over the years I think Fallon's been overrated so if that's seen as an agenda its the only one I have. A horse can get bumped at anytime and this horse was bumped. Sometimes it happens because of where it's placed by the jockey, sometimes it can be just bad luck. For Fallon to apologise for a poor ride afterwards seems to suggest to anyone but yourself that it was the former. As for the racereaders I stand by what I think. Most of the stuff I read in their analysis the next day isn't what I saw the previous day.
Shame this didn't happen in Hong Kong...they would've been jail ages ago for this sort of thing.
Dumb question, but what have the two jocks had to say for themselves?
You assume the tape is genuine but what hard evidence is there?
That's why I want to know what the lads themselves have to say. Is the tape genuine or not?
There are hundreds of alleged racing journalists in the country. Surely someone has asked the question?
There are hundreds of alleged racing journalists in the country. Surely someone has asked the question?
The B H A tried to sweep it under the carpet; have the Gambling Commission got a part to play in establishing if the tape is genuine? and if it is what should be done about it? A young footballer got locked up recently for a small part in a plot to rig lower tier football games; the two people in the tape talk about betting and laying horse has though they do it on a regular basis?
if it is true, then this part was the most telling for me:
MD: He’s ****g terrified of Paddy/Padow, he does what he’s told. He tries
to win on everything now after what happened to him last year.
MD: He’s ****g terrified of Paddy/Padow, he does what he’s told. He tries
to win on everything now after what happened to him last year.
the pre-race market is very knowledgeable these days, how often do you see one backed and then in the race its getting an easy lead when the formbook didnt suggest that would happen?, ok we know jockeys talk about tactics in the weighing room before a race but that is now leaking out and being reflected in the market, after hearing this tape is it any surprise?
Such bad PR for the game they HAVE to be banned/charged.
looking at it from the outside there seems to be a inner betting ring with jockeys am sure there is a lot more doing the same as these two but are more careful end of the day its not last week its 4 years ago things change new jockey come along
If you think Fallon is overrated then fair enough MJK and you are entitled to your opinion but it does look like that then plays a big part in everything else related to Fallon too, such as suggesting a poor ride on Line of Reason when it was no such thing. Plus if Fallon is overrated with:
3 Derby wins, 2 Arcs, 4 1000gn, 5 2000gns, 4 Oaks, a King George, 2 Eclipse, 2 Ascot Gold Cops, 3 Coronation Cups, 2 Irish Derby wins, 3 Irish Oaks, an Irish Leger, 3 Irish Champion Stakes, 2 Tattersalls Gold Cups, 2 Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf, 2 Dubai Sheema Classics, a Hong Kong Vase and numerous other Gr1s too long to list in America, Australia, Britain, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy and the UAE, with 6 Champion Jockey titles, 200 winners a season 5 times, 100 winners a season 10 times, 2500 career winners in Britain alone then the rest might just as well pack up now considering he's universally accepted as one of the all time greats and is one of the few names that often gets mentioned alongside Piggott.
So now that it's been like pulling teeth with you accepting Line of Reason got bumped, you then go on to say "Sometimes it happens because of where it's placed by the jockey, sometimes it can be just bad luck." so why don't you tell us what it was in this particular instance? A few clues that might help you decide are that he was always up with the pace so it's not as if he was behind a wall of horses and the one that bumped him came off a true line and into Fallon and that horse was then pulled up presumably lame.
As for third hand info that Fallon later phoned the trainer to apologise for the ride, the only ones who know for sure if that happened are Fallon and the trainer and I have my doubts on the validity of that too. I don't question that he phoned the trainer but seeing as those two people are the only ones who know first hand what was specifically said and then the owner has later put his interpretation on it and that's all you are going by, forgive me if I don't take it as gospel that he apologised for the actual ride considering he clearly had no reason to.
What might well be viable is that he phoned and said something like "sorry for what happened with your horse today but the bump did for its chances blah blah blah" and whilst I'm not claiming this to be fact, it's no more implausible than your third hand info either. Quite ironic really that the subject of this thread is about the actual transcript of what they thought was a two person private conversation but at least everyone else gets to hear/see it exactly as it was said.
As for the race readers, as I keep saying it's irrelevant whether you see things differently to them in other circumstances if they say Fallon's horse got bumped and you agree in this one, so all you are really trying to do is cloud the issue over something else that isn't a factor this time.
3 Derby wins, 2 Arcs, 4 1000gn, 5 2000gns, 4 Oaks, a King George, 2 Eclipse, 2 Ascot Gold Cops, 3 Coronation Cups, 2 Irish Derby wins, 3 Irish Oaks, an Irish Leger, 3 Irish Champion Stakes, 2 Tattersalls Gold Cups, 2 Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf, 2 Dubai Sheema Classics, a Hong Kong Vase and numerous other Gr1s too long to list in America, Australia, Britain, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy and the UAE, with 6 Champion Jockey titles, 200 winners a season 5 times, 100 winners a season 10 times, 2500 career winners in Britain alone then the rest might just as well pack up now considering he's universally accepted as one of the all time greats and is one of the few names that often gets mentioned alongside Piggott.
So now that it's been like pulling teeth with you accepting Line of Reason got bumped, you then go on to say "Sometimes it happens because of where it's placed by the jockey, sometimes it can be just bad luck." so why don't you tell us what it was in this particular instance? A few clues that might help you decide are that he was always up with the pace so it's not as if he was behind a wall of horses and the one that bumped him came off a true line and into Fallon and that horse was then pulled up presumably lame.
As for third hand info that Fallon later phoned the trainer to apologise for the ride, the only ones who know for sure if that happened are Fallon and the trainer and I have my doubts on the validity of that too. I don't question that he phoned the trainer but seeing as those two people are the only ones who know first hand what was specifically said and then the owner has later put his interpretation on it and that's all you are going by, forgive me if I don't take it as gospel that he apologised for the actual ride considering he clearly had no reason to.
What might well be viable is that he phoned and said something like "sorry for what happened with your horse today but the bump did for its chances blah blah blah" and whilst I'm not claiming this to be fact, it's no more implausible than your third hand info either. Quite ironic really that the subject of this thread is about the actual transcript of what they thought was a two person private conversation but at least everyone else gets to hear/see it exactly as it was said.
As for the race readers, as I keep saying it's irrelevant whether you see things differently to them in other circumstances if they say Fallon's horse got bumped and you agree in this one, so all you are really trying to do is cloud the issue over something else that isn't a factor this time.
Ima as usual you write an essay. Fallon admitted himself it was a poor ride. Get over it. And for someone who constantly reminds this forum the jockey means little compared to a horse's ability you never shy of typing up Fallon's wins, which mean nothing in your it's all down to the horse opinion
Can you point me to a source where Fallon admitted it was a poor ride MJK because I find that hard to believe.
Fallon's ride when he previously won on it:
Tracked leaders, headway over 2f out, ridden to lead inside final furlong, kept on well.
Fallon's ride on the horse when beaten:
Tracked leaders, effort when not clear run and hampered 2f out, soon switched right and ridden, no impression.
Mullrenan's ride when winning next time out:
Took keen hold in rear, headway over 2f out, led 1f out, held on towards finish.
so there you have 3 near identical rides up to the 2f mark which was around where the owner had said Fallon's instructions were to go on. Two of the rides were winning ones and one was a defeat caused by a bump and being hampered at the very point he was supposed to go on.
Also despite me correcting you so many times now when you inaccurately quote back to me what I have supposedly said regarding horses and jockeys, I'm having to repeat it for you yet gain, so here is what I've actually said once more.
It's more (key word there) about the horses than the jockeys as when a horse wins there are several jockeys who could have won on it yet when they are well beaten you could have had any of the top half a dozen jockeys on it and it still would have been well beaten. I also said at the top end there's not much in it between them too, so for example a dozen or so (maybe even more) jockeys are very closely matched ability wise.
I type up Fallon's or anyone else's wins when people claim they are poor or over rated jockeys and yes it's still more about the horses than the jockeys, but Fallon didn't win the right to ride horses for Cecil, Stoute, O'Brien and bin Suroor in a radio phone in competition. He did so but proving over and over again (as in those races I type up) that as long as he had the horse he could also keep up his end of the bargain too and get the job done. Last season he rarely had the horse and it showed in his winners total.
Oh and if you think more than a paragraph is an essay then I can only imagine you have a low attention span so maybe if you paid a bit more attention the other times I won't have to write "essays" repeating what I've already said numerous times before but which you are still getting wrong. Have you ever considered printing it off so you can refer back to it next time before getting it wrong yet again?...Just a though eh?
Fallon's ride when he previously won on it:
Tracked leaders, headway over 2f out, ridden to lead inside final furlong, kept on well.
Fallon's ride on the horse when beaten:
Tracked leaders, effort when not clear run and hampered 2f out, soon switched right and ridden, no impression.
Mullrenan's ride when winning next time out:
Took keen hold in rear, headway over 2f out, led 1f out, held on towards finish.
so there you have 3 near identical rides up to the 2f mark which was around where the owner had said Fallon's instructions were to go on. Two of the rides were winning ones and one was a defeat caused by a bump and being hampered at the very point he was supposed to go on.
Also despite me correcting you so many times now when you inaccurately quote back to me what I have supposedly said regarding horses and jockeys, I'm having to repeat it for you yet gain, so here is what I've actually said once more.
It's more (key word there) about the horses than the jockeys as when a horse wins there are several jockeys who could have won on it yet when they are well beaten you could have had any of the top half a dozen jockeys on it and it still would have been well beaten. I also said at the top end there's not much in it between them too, so for example a dozen or so (maybe even more) jockeys are very closely matched ability wise.
I type up Fallon's or anyone else's wins when people claim they are poor or over rated jockeys and yes it's still more about the horses than the jockeys, but Fallon didn't win the right to ride horses for Cecil, Stoute, O'Brien and bin Suroor in a radio phone in competition. He did so but proving over and over again (as in those races I type up) that as long as he had the horse he could also keep up his end of the bargain too and get the job done. Last season he rarely had the horse and it showed in his winners total.
Oh and if you think more than a paragraph is an essay then I can only imagine you have a low attention span so maybe if you paid a bit more attention the other times I won't have to write "essays" repeating what I've already said numerous times before but which you are still getting wrong. Have you ever considered printing it off so you can refer back to it next time before getting it wrong yet again?...Just a though eh?
the best option is blockage.....a move I made a long time ago......does anybody really want to waste their time reading the Shiite that ima mazed posts.....its the same rigmarole time after time.....nothing is going to change either.....
Has I was saying; will anything be done by BHA and shouldn't the Gambling Commission be taking an interest?
not good for racing,but I think
a more serious note is how a
private phone call between 2 people
was taped and ended up on the net.
Who are these people listening in?
a more serious note is how a
private phone call between 2 people
was taped and ended up on the net.
Who are these people listening in?
so you would like people ear wigging all your
private phone calls.I fcking don't.
private phone calls.I fcking don't.
how many races every day "all on the fav, lets not try to hard on anything else"
quite a lot of people think that if the fav wins then a race must be straight
MJK 26 Jun 14 13:32
Fallon told the trainer Ima, get over it. You're wrong.
So I see you chose not to answer a direct question regarding your third hand information about what Fallon said to the trainer then MJK? What exactly did he tell him and what exactly is it that you have confused yourself over that I''m supposed to be wrong on?
It's not the bump the horse took because that happened and you eventually said so yourself and it's not me saying no call took place because I'm happy to accept the word of the owner that it did. What I'm not happy to do is accept second hand info from the owner and third hand info from you that Fallon is supposed to have apologised for the ride because neither of you were privy to the conversation and so can't claim that with any validity and are just putting you interpretation on it.
As I've previously asked you but you chose to ignore because it didn't suit you, how do you know Fallon didn't ring the trainer and say he was sorry for what happened with the horse and the circumstances of how the race panned out with it getting bumped and had it's chance ruined? Which isn't the same as ringing up to apologise for the ride because he had no reason to do that.
Fallon told the trainer Ima, get over it. You're wrong.
So I see you chose not to answer a direct question regarding your third hand information about what Fallon said to the trainer then MJK? What exactly did he tell him and what exactly is it that you have confused yourself over that I''m supposed to be wrong on?
It's not the bump the horse took because that happened and you eventually said so yourself and it's not me saying no call took place because I'm happy to accept the word of the owner that it did. What I'm not happy to do is accept second hand info from the owner and third hand info from you that Fallon is supposed to have apologised for the ride because neither of you were privy to the conversation and so can't claim that with any validity and are just putting you interpretation on it.
As I've previously asked you but you chose to ignore because it didn't suit you, how do you know Fallon didn't ring the trainer and say he was sorry for what happened with the horse and the circumstances of how the race panned out with it getting bumped and had it's chance ruined? Which isn't the same as ringing up to apologise for the ride because he had no reason to do that.
LOL @ the bloke who think trainers buy glasses to look good and then he calls me a nutter.
You really couldn't make it up.
You really couldn't make it up.
no g hall, tbf jockeys in general must be amazed themselves at how lightly these to have got off in the face of clear evidence, some journalists have even defended them, the game really is a mess if it cannot deal with these matters
phone hacking shocker.lets have another levison enquiry
Seems a straightforward case of bringing the game into disrepute and a nice little holiday for both. India's nice at this time of year.
Thought it was worth bringing this back to the top. Any other jockeys available for comments? Any racing pundits? Oh well.
IMA your happy to believe wat u want from the owners comments but won't believe the part that doesn't suit you (fallon rang the trainer) he gave the horse a terrible ride, was completely at fault for the bump and apologised for it after. Stop trying to win a battle wen u are completely wrong. The trainer was open and honest in his comments and told u wat happened. So you are WRONG and need to let it go. Have I pointed out you are WRONG?
Under the carpet again Best way to deal with it for sure.
Best way to deal with it for sure.
Er yes you have Patented but unfortunately you are wrong in doing so.
How many more times do I have to repeat I'm happy to believe Fallon rang the trainer because the owner has said as much and he's more likely to know that than I am. What I'm not convinced of is that the call was to apologise for the ride, even though I haven't gone as far as to say that didn't happen either and have just said only Fallon and the trainer know first hand what was said, so everything else is a second and third hand rehash of the conversation and we all know how those can change the more often they get passed along. What if he just called to say sorry for how things panned out for them during the race by way of commiseration? That isn't apologising for a "terrible ride" now is it?
I'm afraid you're wrong about plenty more in your post too because according to the owner Fallon's instructions were to go on over 2f out and the RP post race comments state:
Tracked leaders, effort when not clear run and hampered 2f out, soon switched right and ridden, no impression.
And the SP Life's comments:
Tracked leaders, not clear run then bumped over 2f out, weakened and eased inside final furlong.
As for the horse causing the bump, the SP Life post race comments are:
Prominent, ridden 2f out, soon lost place, edged right and bumped, pulled up inside final furlong.
So up until that point Fallon was carrying out his orders perfectly well and riding the same race up until then as he did when he won on it previously and the same ride the two jockeys gave in the subsequent wins. So not only are you wrong about it supposedly being a terrible ride but when it clearly states Fallon's horse was hampered and it was the other horse that edged right, then Fallon is the victim of that due to the other horse going off a true line and bumping him, so how exactly is that Fallon "completely at Fault" and how do you know he apologised for anything?
I'm not trying to be rude here but it takes a special kind of talent there to get so much wrong in such a short post and then you tell me I'm wrong too just for good measure!
If by the trainer was open and honest and told me what happened you mean the owner, the owner was understandably disappointed how things panned out and had he left it at that then fair enough but he didn't, he came on making comments (that he has several times since failed to elaborate on when asked direct questions) about Fallon's demeanour in the parade ring, about how he twice took a pull during the race (which he didn't) and how he was throwing in air shots with the whip (which he wasn't) and so when I suggested he report Fallon for all of that the silence was deafening. Now it could be because
a) he's a bottle job
b) he's full of ****, or
c) it's actually a) because of b)
I've owned horses before both here and in Ireland and there's no way I would put up with my jockey getting riding fees whilst I supposedly watched him take a pull twice and throw in air shots during the race and I'd be reporting him to the BHA with no hesitation. In fact maybe I should report Fallon on the owner's and all punters' behalf as there's no room in the game for that kind of thing and then the owner can show them where he saw Fallon take a pull twice and throw in those air shots.....If you add in Fallon supposedly tipped another runner in the race then how can any respectable owner let that go without at least trying to do something about it? Unless it's all total bullsh1t of course?
This whole argument for want of a better word started when the owner came on blaming Fallon's ride for the defeat and I politely and reasonably asked him did he not see his horse get bumped and if so did he not think that hindered its chances. Since then all I've had is personal abuse off of him, which makes me wonder is he a bit embarrassed that he made himself look a bit silly blaming Fallon when it's patently obvious the horse that pulled up bumped his but he's too far in and committed in his argument to just admit he made some silly comments in his disappointment?
How many more times do I have to repeat I'm happy to believe Fallon rang the trainer because the owner has said as much and he's more likely to know that than I am. What I'm not convinced of is that the call was to apologise for the ride, even though I haven't gone as far as to say that didn't happen either and have just said only Fallon and the trainer know first hand what was said, so everything else is a second and third hand rehash of the conversation and we all know how those can change the more often they get passed along. What if he just called to say sorry for how things panned out for them during the race by way of commiseration? That isn't apologising for a "terrible ride" now is it?
I'm afraid you're wrong about plenty more in your post too because according to the owner Fallon's instructions were to go on over 2f out and the RP post race comments state:
Tracked leaders, effort when not clear run and hampered 2f out, soon switched right and ridden, no impression.
And the SP Life's comments:
Tracked leaders, not clear run then bumped over 2f out, weakened and eased inside final furlong.
As for the horse causing the bump, the SP Life post race comments are:
Prominent, ridden 2f out, soon lost place, edged right and bumped, pulled up inside final furlong.
So up until that point Fallon was carrying out his orders perfectly well and riding the same race up until then as he did when he won on it previously and the same ride the two jockeys gave in the subsequent wins. So not only are you wrong about it supposedly being a terrible ride but when it clearly states Fallon's horse was hampered and it was the other horse that edged right, then Fallon is the victim of that due to the other horse going off a true line and bumping him, so how exactly is that Fallon "completely at Fault" and how do you know he apologised for anything?
I'm not trying to be rude here but it takes a special kind of talent there to get so much wrong in such a short post and then you tell me I'm wrong too just for good measure!
If by the trainer was open and honest and told me what happened you mean the owner, the owner was understandably disappointed how things panned out and had he left it at that then fair enough but he didn't, he came on making comments (that he has several times since failed to elaborate on when asked direct questions) about Fallon's demeanour in the parade ring, about how he twice took a pull during the race (which he didn't) and how he was throwing in air shots with the whip (which he wasn't) and so when I suggested he report Fallon for all of that the silence was deafening. Now it could be because
a) he's a bottle job
b) he's full of ****, or
c) it's actually a) because of b)
I've owned horses before both here and in Ireland and there's no way I would put up with my jockey getting riding fees whilst I supposedly watched him take a pull twice and throw in air shots during the race and I'd be reporting him to the BHA with no hesitation. In fact maybe I should report Fallon on the owner's and all punters' behalf as there's no room in the game for that kind of thing and then the owner can show them where he saw Fallon take a pull twice and throw in those air shots.....If you add in Fallon supposedly tipped another runner in the race then how can any respectable owner let that go without at least trying to do something about it? Unless it's all total bullsh1t of course?
This whole argument for want of a better word started when the owner came on blaming Fallon's ride for the defeat and I politely and reasonably asked him did he not see his horse get bumped and if so did he not think that hindered its chances. Since then all I've had is personal abuse off of him, which makes me wonder is he a bit embarrassed that he made himself look a bit silly blaming Fallon when it's patently obvious the horse that pulled up bumped his but he's too far in and committed in his argument to just admit he made some silly comments in his disappointment?
The owner got rid of fallon as u suggested u wud do. If he doesn't want to go to the BHA then that's his call. There's not a lot would after wat was one horrific ride. He dumped the jockey at fault and got a new one up that did the business. That's his decision. A lot of people wouldn't bother their arse reporting it and having to deal with the crap I'm sure that wud bring. Fallon blew his chance on the horse by riding it like an arthritic 74 year old woman and got rightfully dumped... Case closed. And I don't need to see a copy and paste from the racing post for the 10th time pointing out he got bumped. He has one line to sum up the ride and he's not going to mention fallon was like a blind goat making it's way through a flower bed getting the horse to that point.
Yes I'd have got rid of any jockey if I supposedly saw him twice take a pull in a race when he didn't need to and who was throwing in air shots but I'd also report him for the ride too. If I then heard (even second or third hand) that he had tipped another horse in the race to a stalls handler who just happened to work rode for my trainer then I would definitely report it, but neither of those things actually happened in the race although if they did it should be easy enough to watch video replays and point them out to anyone and so that's what i would do assuming those things actually happened....And that's not even taking into account his apparent "demeanour" pre-race too, whatever that means.
Fallon rode the horse the exact way he rode it when he won on it and the exact way he was told to until getting the bump by the other horse that was then pulled up and when was the last time you saw a horse pulled up in a 6f sprint? The other two jockeys who won on the horse rode the exact same race as Fallon too until the 2f mark but they didn't suffer from any bumping.
And no, the post race racereader is going to say that the other horse edged right and bumped Fallon's horse because that's er, exactly what happened funnily enough and he also mentioned it was Fallon horse's getting hampered, not doing the hampering and I'm sure he would have been more than willing to have Fallon in the wrong if that was the case.
Fallon rode the horse the exact way he rode it when he won on it and the exact way he was told to until getting the bump by the other horse that was then pulled up and when was the last time you saw a horse pulled up in a 6f sprint? The other two jockeys who won on the horse rode the exact same race as Fallon too until the 2f mark but they didn't suffer from any bumping.
And no, the post race racereader is going to say that the other horse edged right and bumped Fallon's horse because that's er, exactly what happened funnily enough and he also mentioned it was Fallon horse's getting hampered, not doing the hampering and I'm sure he would have been more than willing to have Fallon in the wrong if that was the case.
That's quite a confession mugsy but well done as they say admittance of the problem is the first step. 
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