Pricewise (Tom Segal ) The worst start to a year in its history.

ffs...

landed.

BW..........what firms do hold pricewise prices for a short time after they open.........i know a few people who back pricewise and one told me corals for one dont hold the price at all

To get Corals you need to be in shop at 830 normally hold for 3 mins , and 1100 on a sunday £25 max.

Hills batfred 0900 mon - sat 15 mins hold . 1000 on a sunday.

ladcrooks 0900 mon - sun 15 mins hold.

Forget about irish joke outfits.

landed


You don't have the imagination, imo, Blazing Walker...

I dont need to Millhouse you are in a nice way so predictable on these threads.

Got a feeling Tom is going to test some 100pt banks this year.

Whats the score on pricewise extra never seem to give a winner, not even when its a fav

How very dare you - PW extra had a 33-1 winner in March donchano?

yes remembers that the gold cup winner, but theres 7 tips a week..serious cant remember 1 since

More losers coming up from Chantilly tomorrow.

chasing now...

5 selections on one of the most mundane Saturdays of the year.

In his pomp, there would be two bets on a day like today.

might have been a mundane day, but lots of competetive hcaps to have a bet in, cant blame him for that

He made a  point in todays article about how strongly he felt the York race would be fought out by high drawn horses.

The first 3 all came out of single number stalls

When you are badly out of form nothing goes your way.

You could always choose your own selections - though obviously you would then have to blame yourselves when the horses don't win...

Why take the rack when you can pass the buck !

Oh you are awful , but i like you millhouse.

Blazing, I want all punters to win, but this column doesn't exist to help punters, it exists to help bookmakers and to sell newspapers...

sheep

I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle of where you are aiming millhouse , though the golden age of following Pricewise finished about 18 months ago for me as i can only get on via shop guarantees to £50 per pt. In my hay day i was getting £250 per pt and made very good money over the years , it would be impossible to do that now and get near the prices , even at £50 per ponit i only get about half the advised prices but in the long run it will be worth it and it keeps me fit chasing round on my push bike on Pricewise mornings.

Account closures and restrictions are the big negative to pricewise .

if hes doing so badly why all the restrictions?

The restrictions come these days just for backing Pricewise regardless of winning or losing.

Hows Rixy doing these days Cathy.

I have him down 10.5 points this year. Normally makes approx 15 points per month so 85 points worse off than normal.
Cracks me up the bookies restrictions still apply.

19.80pts down this year thats all bets and rule 4s imo. Pricewise paper only.

To his fantasy island advised prices.

Yep sorry should have mentioned just tom segal selections and 1 point win only on every selection.

put some spectacles on him,is it Richard birch in disguise ?

Why would you want to?

BlazingWalker, do you live around the Petts Wood area?

No Depford , i am in Suffolk.

To be honest right now I am glad I am only getting £50 per point on as my £1600 loss for the year could be £8k if I were betting £250pp.

This year reminds me of Pricewise 2008 were it was late September before he moved into profit and opened up some daylight ,so if that is anything to go by we may be in for a tricky next 15 weeks

Royal Ascot is definitely a worry though as his record there is very poor with the exception of 2003 which was a blockbuster.

May 31, 2014 -- 7:23PM, millhouse wrote:

You could always choose your own selections - though obviously you would then have to blame yourselves when the horses don't win...

Fair enough millhouse, but he doesn't get paid to do that, unlike the PW guy.

Poor old mfraudy.

t2r, rofl. 

Poking fun about following tipsters is ok, but still doesn't take away from a tipping record being poor while getting paid to produce it.

You think he should guarantee a profit cos he gets paid, What about every other racing columnist then?

Course not guaranteed, just pointing out that it's perfectly valid to question his record.

Can't think of any job where your record for doing what you get paid to do is not relevant, or constantly assessed.

MP's and bankers seem to have done quite well while producing poor results, why should a racing tipster be held to higher scrutiny?

yep, you could point to other groups who are equally terrible, but hardly a good argument!

MP's and bankers seem to have done quite well while producing poor results, why should a racing tipster be held to higher scrutiny?

We all know MPs and bankers are filth though, who ever you vote for they are all the same, backstabbing bastards who work for the.... bankers... who would rob a blind man for his last quid.. with tipsters you expect them to help people, they after all they charge for this fu cking service, but what do you get... stabbed in the back because they work... for the bookies, who in turn work in a way for... the bankers...

All part of the same corrupt system. bunch of dicks with a blond slut in one arm, and wearing a grin the size of their wives legs.

What I'm slightly surprised at is the level of defence/mocking for the tipsters' side on here, which is curious.
I'm not especially concerned about a losing run, but seems odd that people want to dismiss this sort of posting, when it is plainly very valid.

Does make me wonder how many of the journos (or mates) are those posting on here TBH...

Baffles me why people get involved in this game with the expectation of latching on to someone else's selections for profits. What's the point?

Well, that is a different issue, but yes agree with that generally saddo.

But fact remains, this is this guys job (PW)...

and posting about his record is of interest to me personally, as a punter.

EVERY tipster/journalist selecting horses,or anything else, in the Racing Post should have their current profit/loss entered next to their name.I wrote to the paper several years ago asking why this simple request can't be the norm.You can guess the answer!

Can certainly guess the reason why they don't unbiased

I know it's tough tipping at a winning level (we all know that), but we don't all get paid for trying to do so. It's also interesting because it tells you something about markets when someone like Pricewise is doing so badly.

BlazingWalker, never in the history of PW has it been possible to bet at £250 per point on the selections and I go back to the days of Mark Cotton in the mid 90s. The maximum allowed take out in the period 1995-9 was around £2k but this soon dropped to around £500 and even less with some firms. The maximum stake allowed on double figure priced selections became £50 or so, with many firms at £25 and remained so until I lost interest in the column around 2005.
As well as 'fantasy island prices', I think we have a case of 'fantasy island staking'.

It was done in the year of the Star de Mohaison / Newmiil big AP double for about 6 months using Internet/phone accs and cash betting and scaled down as the accounts diminished . I am now at £50 per point and get only half of the advised odds vis shops i have used up all possible account options though it was good while it lasted. Any less than this and i wouldn't bother.

Paulbu you were banging that same old drum back then and i thought how misguided you were back then or things were a bit different up in the North West.

you do know Paulbu that you can open accounts in other peoples names or had that not crossed your narrow mind.

EVERY tipster/journalist selecting horses,or anything else, in the Racing Post should have their current profit/loss entered next to their name.I wrote to the paper several years ago asking why this simple request can't be the norm.You can guess the answer!

Then, do it yourself. I do !

Most of their regular team do show a profit at early prices, but none do at starting price.

It's their Spotlight writers that get paid for nothing. With the exception of one of their Irish Spotlighters, Justin O'Hanlon, who rarely gets a gig, their performance is beyond a joke. In fact, only a quarter of them scrape a profit at early prices. And yet, it's the headliners like Tom Segal and Paul Kealy that always seem to be under the spotlight (pun intender) !

Is there anybody from your tables who is actually in profit at SP?

Nudge, Nudge,

By any chance is it this gentleman you're referring to, TNM?

He always seems to be in the spotlight!

That's him!

'The Legend'

BlazingWalker, thanks for confirming that you are a fantasy poster.

Is there anybody from your tables who is actually in profit at SP?

Yes, there are 3 out of 90.

Moral of story is don't back at sp unless it's drifted !

It's their Spotlight writers that get paid for nothing. Their performance is beyond a joke. In fact, only a quarter of them scrape a profit at early prices. And yet, it's the headliners like Tom Segal and Paul Kealy that always seem to be under the spotlight (pun intender) !


Maybe having to write, say, 70 comments and do, say, 7 betting forecasts gets in the way of form study. Just a thought.

Has a mountain to climb imho. Derek has set the bar too high for Sir Tom et al.

Keeps churning out the losers!

big issue..........they will still be the best backed horses tomoro..........and bookies will still restrict the followers of tom

think probably nows the time to join in

on / in a good year has Sir Tom won/lost to BSP level stakes- or does he rely on advertised prices to claw into the black ?

EVERY tipster/journalist selecting horses,or anything else, in the Racing Post should have their current profit/loss entered next to their name.I wrote to the paper several years ago asking why this simple request can't be the norm.You can guess the answer!

Then, do it yourself. I do !

Most of their regular team do show a profit at early prices, but none do at starting price.

It's their Spotlight writers that get paid for nothing. With the exception of one of their Irish Spotlighters, Justin O'Hanlon, who rarely gets a gig, their performance is beyond a joke. In fact, only a quarter of them scrape a profit at early prices. And yet, it's the headliners like Tom Segal and Paul Kealy that always seem to be under the spotlight (pun intender) !

maybe every betfair account that posts on here should show their life time p and l, would be interesting

maybe everyone with a betfair account should be allowed to bet what they want at fantasy island prices that would be interesting

Whilst Tom has been poor of late its completely unfair to judge him or any tipster against SP. They are all trying to give value selections and can't have any idea what the SP will be when they tip. In addition SP's are generally much lower at big meetings like Cheltenham than easily available prices throughout the morning.The likes of Tom should be able to make a profit at early prices though, as he's often basing on a near (or under) 100% book.

Agree all tipsters should ideally have their P&L shown but its pretty clear why the RP won't do that!