Since when did the RUK delay increase to 2 seconds?????

disturbing news

with a what

surely one day this will get better

clock same
check your batteries

striding

seems a bit quicker on cable today if anything...1.8 behind versus usual 2.2

I will monitor it everyday.Just had confirmation it is 2 seconds delay.

1 second behind speaking clock here

I have 2 atomic clocks both in sync

No difference here at all

No difference here

2seconds = you have no chance.

pmbets , you on sky or cable

beg to differ, my friend...depends how you play

Did you get them on a BOGOF from Tesco? I bought 2 but they lose a few seconds a day. But they do make a reassuring clicking noise when you put a Geiger counter near them.

looks like machin has some competition

I am on sky.But it was less than a second last week.Was less than a second last week.Just asked a mate down south far from me to test the delay.
He told me he was 100% it's 2 seconds at his end.

pmbets you are correct...turf was c2s behind the live feed at haydock on sat....anyone who plays in running seriously will have found it harder on ruk this last 10 days.....i have

but i don;t think the delay is the same for everytrack....perth for example played ok today, nottingham ok last week yet catterick, thirsk and newmarket as well have epsom have all played tough...liquidity is much worse than normal hence why some tracks seem to play ok or hard IMO

but ruk has slowed down in cojunction with turf slowing down (satellites moved again)

If you only bet in slowly run races it may not matter so much.

I suggest last week or so about a change in the picture speeds from RUK - It only seemed like an extra 3/4 of a second - but it was enough to make it virtually unplayabe as any prices were gone.
This week its seemed back to normal - like you suggested Andyl - with perth, catterick etc..

So its not just RUK? turftv was that bit further behind aswell?

So we now going to have a portion of the ruk tracks that are pointless playing on - and others where you are in with a chance.

Cheers

At the risk of sounding contrary, as a stay at home punter who relies heavily on RUK, prior to this thread I was wondering what possible reason there could be for the last ten days being so blindingly good!! Is it possible that Turf TV has slowed but not RUK??

what wicklow says

Virgin cable out to 2.5 behind today

Since the races are suspending "as live" on RUK here, can any track players confirm they are having to wait over two seconds for the suspend, which they would have to if this new delay is in place?

so sky 1.5 secs

I find ruk with very little delay if any.

There is no way it's two seconds behind not with me anyway.

Nonsense Wicklow - if you can't play it's not the delay - it's the person in the mirror who can't quite make it work. RUK is 5 seconds behind ATR as it has been since July 2011. The delay has not increased.

Bilbo RUK is 5 seconds behind ATR have we got that the right way?

Ahead sorry

Wicklow is talking sense bilbo. Maybe you should stop being so patronising

I can only relay what it has been like for me and certain tracks are playing better than others,I'm playing the same as I always have,some meetings are like Kempton AW to me yet Catterick, Perth and Warwick have been great this week and I play exactly the same as always. If you play favourites all the time then maybe there isn't much difference as the prices are holding up late in races.

Bilbo - Im not saying I cant make it pay - I was just pointing out that theres definitaly been certain tracks that have been alot harder than normal in past few weeks. I just do the place market inrunning - and the horses say running into 3rd place out the back of the tv - are hitting 1.01/03 when they are just coming into shot. Its happening that 3/4 second quicker than normal.
Sounds like i am not alone on this - fair play if you dont notice any difference - but maybe its the way you play.

G luck

I mean that in the nicest possible way btw bilbo but that last post of yours replying to wicklow was patronising as feck

There are full timers on here that have been playing for years like yourself noticing a difference so there is obviously an issue of some sort. It could be that it is affecting some and not others for what ever reason, location maybe, individual track, who knows

could also be people who are following the money and lumping on 1.03

if it is 1.5 secs behind live that is fine and as long as LV is behind  ruk and on a par with turf its not that desperate

Wicklow - no offence mate but I do get fed up with people that say things have changed when they clearly haven't. Some people say liquidity is shot to pieces when it clearly isn't.

If you're having problems getting matched then I'm sorry about that but try and look at the things you are doing to try and adapt to your perceived changes.

starfish - we used to get on matey - don't spoil it.

Well stop acting like a patronising **** then bilbo. There is a way to talk to people

I've noticed no change & I'm every race every day. Some RUK tracks are hard to get matched but they've always have been that way for me, they certainly not impossible. LV has been workin well these last weeks and that's a big +. I'm surprised  liquidity holds up as well as it does with so much racin.

I think something has changed,but as usual with in running no-one declares anything.It might be a feed has appeared( there are plenty about and you see all the paranoid sorts constantly clambering for them) but given how close RUK is to live i'd be surprised if its obvious like it would be at an atr track.

Ill turn the light out after all yous gone broke

giving out about ruk just watch atr ffs just not bloody on

bilbobaggins 25 Apr 14 16:50 
Wicklow - no offence mate but I do get fed up with people that say things have changed when they clearly haven't. Some people say liquidity is shot to pieces when it clearly isn't.

hahahaha ffs what racing are you playing on?  liquidity is the worst ive seen.

depends how you play roida..........its fine here

well all the in running pro's agree that liquidity is dire...mite be ok pre race but IR the amounts matched under evens is pathetic.

warrack
have you noticed any difference in the speed of turf/ruk compared to live

personally i havent...i only got to 3 sis tracks nowadays so aint able the time it

well all the in running pro's agree that liquidity is dire

not all

BILBOBAGINS,ARE YOU CLICKING FOR 50PENCE A CLICK? LIQUIDITY IS DIRE THE WORST EVER, ITS QUESTIONABLE WHETHER INRUNNING IS NOW VIABLE,ONE RACE TODAY 1.7 TO BACK 5.5 TO LAY,THE GAMES GONE!

^^ correct...sense at last

The lack of Liquidity has been apparent for some time for anybody who bets in increments above £2.
If BF are not "Seeding" the Markets I will expect West Ham to win the Premiereship next Season

up the hammers

i noticed yesterday,that the markets are reacting quicker in running which suggests that the time delay has increased on ruk,which is not good.

factmachine - what are you looking at? How can you possibly know it's 1.7 to back 5.5 to lay - prices move much faster than you can possibly pick up visually. And I can assure you it's not 50 pence a bet. Liquidity is fine.

roida - my question to you is what are you doing wrong? There are plenty of IR punters on here, myself included, that think liquidity is fine but you seem to be struggling. I would look at what you're doing to try and adapt to fast moving situations rather than blame it on something on which you have no hard facts.

starfish - you may think I was being patronising - I can't agree - I was only trying to help somebody struggling to get matched . Calling me a **** is not pleasant.

well what is it today pmbets

I was in the RUK tent on Weds which was right beside the last hurdle.  RUK was on in the tent.  I was able to view screen & last hurdle in sequence.  There waa no more than 1 second delay.  Never 2 seconds.

what track was this kriskin?

Meant to say Perth

The general consensus was that some tracks were playing as normal (ie perth) but other tracks just seemed to be that further behind.

Haydock looked slow there - i would say over 2 seconds behind RUK...timed it to 2.44 seconds tbh

bilbobaggins • April 26, 2014 9:47 AM BST
roida - my question to you is what are you doing wrong? There are plenty of IR punters on here, myself included, that think liquidity is fine but you seem to be struggling. I would look at what you're doing to try and adapt to fast moving situations rather than blame it on something on which you have no hard facts.


That would be like having to give up cocaine and taking up beechams.
Hows he gunna get interested in fookin around with quids?

What are you measuring against bus?

am in office and my pc and RUK ...although now have a feeling my network a tad slow..so probably just me (mate at home says he is fine)

I'm delighted for him.....

bilbo you are talking drivel son....i work with 12 full time pro punters ev day and all agree the liquidity is dire atm...your opinion is somewhat different apparently..

The markets pre race and early in race maybe ok but in the last 2f of a race there is peanuts getting matched..check the winning horse post race and see how much being matched under 1.5....

in the last 2f, no-one is playing apart from track & fast-pic boys...dire liquidity only to be expected

bilbo is right ......the monies there if you play a certain way

people dont want to give their money away last 2f....those days long gone

liquidity and value exists earlier in the race

How many more of the utterly ludicrous lies by the OP do we have to suffer?
The delay is exactly the same as it has been for many months.
What we do have is a savage lack of In Running Liquidity.
Naturally,this wll not affect the recreational £50 punters on here (of which there are many).
It is harder to win now and the "guessers" are now bleating that the "Delay " must have altered.

Whatever the delay is or was or will be, there will always be in running punters.

if everyone was on a level playing field , more could join in the action within the last furlong or 2 , but as it is , it's not playable which equals less liquidity

i wouldn't believe pmbets if he said morra was sunday..talks utter shyte

How is it going Waza?

cant complain rc...had a very up n down april...had 6 losing days 21k and now 1k up on the mth...games hard now..still got me health

roida - mate - I'm only talking drivel as you put it because I disagree with you and your 12 pro punter mates. I never have any probs getting matched and I'm not a track or fast-pic man. I play from home on RUK and the BF LV for ATR. I'm just suggesting that if you're having trouble getting matched you should try and adapt and do things differently. Simple really.

bilbo i think i know how to make the game pay...what im saying is towards the end of races theres little liquidity..if you want to play after 2f for little amounts then i'll agree its prob ok...but playing after 2f wont get you wealthy..capiche?

You still get shafted with the PC when you are playing "catch up",Waza.
A fundamental flaw in the system,imo.

cant do fcuk all bout the 40% pc RC....i just pretend im a footballer paying 40% tax...

time delay has increased or not

some courses ponte was nearer 2 secs than 1 today imho

as someone said if more people are accessing faster pics (raw pics that dont have to go to the ruk studio and back etc) then it might appear as though pics have slowed, raw pics from ruk will never happen as too many subscribers like to hear what their favourite pundit is tipping

Another twenty four carat,clueless guesser in Tips.

The delay has not changed at all from what I can see. Liquidity is still shocking though

ok racingstar

Let's be honest tips, you are guessing - you're not comparing feeds with a stopwatch more going with a vague "how it feels" measurement. My best guess from what I know is that Rider is fairly close to the mark - there has been no change to the speed of RUK pics, but at some tracks more people are getting "raw" pics which gives that impression.

you are more than likely right Gerald

gerard i've been to 2 or 3 turf tracks in the last week and they are roughly 1.5 to 2 sec behind live hth

Did you have access to RUK through sky at these tracks Andy? And if you did can you confirm that races were suspending at the off on those. Given that are the track boys having to wait two seconds before they can bet after the stalls open? I'm not saying you are wrong (i'm only guessing too) but I have spoken to people with access to turf/track/ruk who are adamant that nothing has changed, and my own RUK experience would appear to confirm this. Some tracks are always a bit different imo.....

Probably a daft question but wouldn't we notice a distinct gap between suspend and the race actually starting/finishing on our screens if the gaps were getting much bigger?

duffy , not if betfair are using the same feed as us

imo

What certainly did change was their online service, from the day they introduced their anywhere but slower service. Twas once 1-2 secs ahead of BF Lv & now its that behind.

gerard...yes but timed with ruk there. also my personal experience of several years backs this up....i do think though the delay is less pronounced at some tracks than others....turf has also slowed down so that is why the delay may not feel "real"

When they suspend the market at the start of a race it is done manually by someone at betfair.  I have been on track when sometimes they turn the market in play a few seconds before they have jumped and after.  So when you see the market suspend at the start or end of the race it is not exact to the time they jump or finish the race.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bun is correct also there is no doubt some tracks feel/are slower in the last few weeks , Redcar today is bad .

I havnt a clue who is correct or not with the points mentioned but know one thing that this discussion has been going on for years and will probably be ongoing ! From my experience when i am "doing my brains in " i always seem to think my picture speed has slowed down ( or some other outside influence ! ) and conversely when i am on a high ( normally through getting a lot of good luck ! )i think there is nothing wrong with my pictures . Strange isnt it ?

^^
I havnt a clue who is correct or not


Sludge , if your doing your brains one day and riding your luck the next i'll doubt you've got a clue about anything.

You could well be correct Grey Shark.