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Be interesting if we get the true facts and not the usual garbage about them running a business.
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if you read this lydia / steve which you might, well done for having a go at this, even though the bookies are probably going to chop your advertising and sponsorship from 2moro :)
anyone know the email for studio on on here doesnt work
Yep, great work from both of them. What a shame that there is zero chance that the likes of Simon Clare will be appearing to respond to the points raised……...
the books are penning their emails to the senior management as we watch with a message of "how would you like fck all advertising revenue from us next season?"
This has to be the most worthwhile discussion in a long time
steve gonna have a nightmare getting on in morning ha
i bet he doesn't bongo, i bet they lay him to keep him quiet
how about this then, i was restricted with lad crooks so i closed the account about a year ago, anyway last month i received an email from them, saying bet £50 and get a free £50 bet. So straight away i opened a new account and deposited £50, and wanted to have the £50 on a 2/1 chance only when i pressed bet button i got a reply saying to much stake so i went down 40 30 20 10,
and still no joy, so called them and was told as my account was restricted i could' t bet, but i could bet on their exchange site, so i said will i still get the free bet, to which the reply was no.
So i said then why send an email, believe it or not no answer.
and still no joy, so called them and was told as my account was restricted i could' t bet, but i could bet on their exchange site, so i said will i still get the free bet, to which the reply was no.
So i said then why send an email, believe it or not no answer.
hes not gonna keep him quiet tho are the elise. loving this especially the fact that steve is so honest about why he gets on
This was a good thread ....
until the entirely predictable 'Page 3 mentality' - last 2 posts.
until the entirely predictable 'Page 3 mentality' - last 2 posts.
Lydia needs to get on to win some cash for a mammary reduction.
Excellent from Lydia and Steve tonight. Well done RUK as well for allowing the topic to be discussed.
yes it was an interesting watch ....and lydia looking foxy as ever!!!!!!
^ and - thank goodness - Willoboy was NOT the Studio guest - for once ...
Because it would have all, then, been a 'diverse' waste of time.
Because it would have all, then, been a 'diverse' waste of time.
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This was a good thread ....
until the entirely predictable 'Page 3 mentality' - last 2 posts.
lighten up you fc
This was a good thread ....
until the entirely predictable 'Page 3 mentality' - last 2 posts.
lighten up you fc
Whether or not he's a laugh send at least he's not a purile
infant like you....
infant like you....
on the desk top in bedroom is this being repeated ONLY read 1st few posts thanx
Well done to Lydia and in particular Steve.
Barnstorming performance by the Mellish.
Barnstorming performance by the Mellish.
Can anyone confirm that Lydia and Steve are both OK, that they still have a job, and more importantly that they weren't taken out Sonny Corleone styley on their way home! 
Well they've not been seen today! Day off I expect/hope!
They are the best two pundits on any of the channels by far imvho.
Wonder if tomorrows racing post will have comments from the bookies reps complaining about the program.
how embarrassing that simonn claire comes on to RUK today to say how BOG is standard practice now with all bookmakers.
Just to clarify on some earlier comments - 'the Levy' is calculated on bookmaker profits, not turnover, so disenfranchising successful punters is actually 'good for racing'.
That the bookmakers have manoeuvred the racing industry and all the freeloaders who work in it into a deal where they all actively have an interest in increasing the bookmakers profitability (i.e. shafting us), is absolutely no accident whatsoever, obviously.
No surprise to hear it was the excellent Hislop and Mellish who actually had the balls to say something....
That the bookmakers have manoeuvred the racing industry and all the freeloaders who work in it into a deal where they all actively have an interest in increasing the bookmakers profitability (i.e. shafting us), is absolutely no accident whatsoever, obviously.
No surprise to hear it was the excellent Hislop and Mellish who actually had the balls to say something....
The observation 'the Levy' is calculated on bookmaker profits, not turnover, so disenfranchising successful punters is actually 'good for racing'.is one of those phrases that is right and wrong at the same time.
Right in the short term because how can anything but bigger bookmaker profits that "benefit racing" be perceived as anything but good? but wrong oh so wrong in the grander scheme of things because the "product" (awful word) has to hold out the possibility of a punter, exercising skill and being prepared to put in the work, making a success of his/her betting.
Right in the short term because how can anything but bigger bookmaker profits that "benefit racing" be perceived as anything but good? but wrong oh so wrong in the grander scheme of things because the "product" (awful word) has to hold out the possibility of a punter, exercising skill and being prepared to put in the work, making a success of his/her betting.
i heard a few emails but unfortunately the bookmakers names were omitted was this the policy through the program ?
Bookmakers were not individually identified. This was apparently an editorial decision.
yes,apart from the odd name that slipped out.
Best prog I've seen on RUK,apart from the racing of course
Best prog I've seen on RUK,apart from the racing of course
that spoils it a bit for me, ruk take huge sums of money each month from its subscribers and its about time our views are heard on issues like this, if someone has been closed down after 3 bets its a fact why not name the bookmaker ?
we all know the answer to this but it makes it a bit of a fence sit
we all know the answer to this but it makes it a bit of a fence sit
rider because they only have the word of the emailer regarding the truth of the claim
The content of the programme between the racing was exactly what should be expected of a specialised racing channel; lets hope the generally positive response will encourage similar open discussions which are relevant and pertinent - although I somehow doubt it
parispike makes a very good point that there has to be the possibility of punters sometimes winning otherwise they will transfer their affections (and money) elsewhere
parispike makes a very good point that there has to be the possibility of punters sometimes winning otherwise they will transfer their affections (and money) elsewhere
With these banned or restricted accounts out there, why isn't Betfair cleaning up?
Sorry, fat fingers - couldn't agree with you more, parispike, but that's not how the bookmaking industry want punters to see gambling.
What is happening currently, imo, is a studied and deliberate, (Racing Post sponsored) agenda to devolve the betting consumer's expectations of gambling from wanting to win, to expecting to lose, but having 'entertainment' while doing the losing.
This is entirely why heroic losers with a story to tell like Birch and Palmer are now this industry's poster boys, imo...
What is happening currently, imo, is a studied and deliberate, (Racing Post sponsored) agenda to devolve the betting consumer's expectations of gambling from wanting to win, to expecting to lose, but having 'entertainment' while doing the losing.
This is entirely why heroic losers with a story to tell like Birch and Palmer are now this industry's poster boys, imo...
wes One of the topics last night was lack of liquidity on here until 10 or so mins before the race. If you are either closed or restricted you can't get on with the books either.
Feb 6, 2014 -- 2:54PM, TRD.Racing wrote:
rider because they only have the word of the emailer regarding the truth of the claim
well thats pretty obvious but if its a reasonable claim (as the emails i heard were)is the bookmaker going to make a fool of themselves and sue when they know they are doing it on a daily basis ? err NO
I'd bet pretty long odds on if i sent full evidence to back up my criticism of a bookmaker RUK would still not name and shame and as i said before we all know why
and another thing RUK are very happy to have bookie reps tell us about all the big bets they are supposed to be laying on a daily basis do RUK check those for validity ?
Hi TRD, I take your point. I think its up to BF to encourage more liquidity earlier on. That way they'd certainly get much of that money that can't be got on elsewhere. Correct?
Are people being restricted because they are trying to bet hours before the race? It may seem a stupid question, but I never bet with bookmakers.
anyone who opens a few accounts and knows how to use oddschecker is doomed sparrow
Even if they try to bet in the last 10 minutes or so, Rider?
wes According to Lydia Betfair may well be doing something about the issue. Last night she said some of the old Betfair people had gone back to the company. No idea who,or what they intend doing
Presumably they would have to entice the big layers with a low commission rate, TRD.
and another thing RUK are very happy to have bookie reps tell us about all the big bets they are supposed to be laying on a daily basis do RUK check those for validity ?
Any 'journalist' interviewing a bookmaker rep whose first question isn't 'how come most of the people watching can't actually take the prices you are here to tell us about' is not just complicit, but also corrupt, imo...
Any 'journalist' interviewing a bookmaker rep whose first question isn't 'how come most of the people watching can't actually take the prices you are here to tell us about' is not just complicit, but also corrupt, imo...
The problem with early liquidity is more down to assymetric information. A layer on here has no idea who he is laying against so cannot adjust his book to sharp money in the same way a bookie can. We also have to offer exceptional prices to beat the bookies after commission.
A separately settled (decTime - 30 mins before the race) at zero commission/premium charge could help build the product and give befair a USP.
The problem is Betfair might pull the offer at anytime reducing the incentive to layers to build systems for it.
A separately settled (decTime - 30 mins before the race) at zero commission/premium charge could help build the product and give befair a USP.
The problem is Betfair might pull the offer at anytime reducing the incentive to layers to build systems for it.
As for betting early, it's the price trading parasites that Betfair need to deal with if they want liquidity.
Ask for a price on here that's the same as the bookmakers, and within seconds a trading parasite will be in front of it. This creates an arb, forces the bookmaker to cut his price, and so causes an industry wide price reduction, without anyone actually having a bet.
Because Betfair will do nothing to inhibit these money changers, who they have invited on to the site to scalp their own customers, the Betfair platform, at least early on, has become a betting site where it's suicidal to actually try to have a bet...
Ask for a price on here that's the same as the bookmakers, and within seconds a trading parasite will be in front of it. This creates an arb, forces the bookmaker to cut his price, and so causes an industry wide price reduction, without anyone actually having a bet.
Because Betfair will do nothing to inhibit these money changers, who they have invited on to the site to scalp their own customers, the Betfair platform, at least early on, has become a betting site where it's suicidal to actually try to have a bet...
frog A backer has no idea who he is backing against either.
This place should be about opinions,either you fancy something or you don't,every so often you will run into one,but that's just the nature of the game.
On here you either bet 10 mins before the off,or become a money buyer in the run
This place should be about opinions,either you fancy something or you don't,every so often you will run into one,but that's just the nature of the game.
On here you either bet 10 mins before the off,or become a money buyer in the run
"Ask for a price on here that's the same as the bookmakers, and within seconds a trading parasite will be in front of it. This creates an arb, forces the bookmaker to cut his price, and so causes an industry wide price reduction, without anyone actually having a bet."
...and you believe this happens EVERY TIME do you ? If so ,I think you're in dreamland.
...and you believe this happens EVERY TIME do you ? If so ,I think you're in dreamland.
Aren't BF trying to link the sportsbook into the exchange in order to get some early liquidity?
RUK's original business plan was based on zero advertising revenue from the slime.
The vast majority of us viewers don't want to see Williams, Clare, and the rest of the lying ********** given airtime, and I suspect that last nights discussion was a realization that most of us are pissed off with the situation.
Well done to RUK for approaching the subject, but we do need the slime grilling on their practices?
The vast majority of us viewers don't want to see Williams, Clare, and the rest of the lying ********** given airtime, and I suspect that last nights discussion was a realization that most of us are pissed off with the situation.
Well done to RUK for approaching the subject, but we do need the slime grilling on their practices?
Bigger tick size for the separate early markets would get rid of the £2 problem. Its then possible you could a fair bit of money up at 106%/94% books in the morning creating a market for those blocked by the bookies.
Artie, as we've covered many, many times, you don't bet early, so it's not a problem facing you - but trust me, screaming your intentions to legions of parasite traders, waiting to bet only because you have, by putting up a bet on here to be matched, even at the same price as the bookmakers, will usually see that price disappear.
This obviously isn't the case in strong markets on Saturdays or for Festivals, etc...
This obviously isn't the case in strong markets on Saturdays or for Festivals, etc...
Firstly mill. ,I bet at all times .Secondly I don't dispute what you say,but you are forgetting an important word - SOMETIMES .Lots of things happen in the betting market sometimes,but not every time.
I imagine last nights show had the most positive response they've ever had.
Better than listening to Pinky & Perky harp on about sectionals all evening.
Well done for once RUK!
Better than listening to Pinky & Perky harp on about sectionals all evening.
Well done for once RUK!
Compare last nights show to those 2 morons on a Friday night on ATR,sums up the 2 stations perfectly
Luke and the Shark are good for nothing
oops posted too early
oops posted too early
One of the new wave of presenters on ATR
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Heard ATR may be losing its US racing coverage.
They have been looking into putting on more German and French racing, can anyone confirm?
They have been looking into putting on more German and French racing, can anyone confirm?
I can recommend a book titled speaking with forked tongues
which highlights bookmakers bad practice with regard to the
closing and restriction of accounts. go to the website
forkedtongues.co.uk
it will give you a taster for the book.
which highlights bookmakers bad practice with regard to the
closing and restriction of accounts. go to the website
forkedtongues.co.uk
it will give you a taster for the book.
Very touchy subject I was closed by jc after winning £2000 on golf bets and about £500 by spoilsports never given any reason. However I have a new friend who works in a turf accountant shop. My bets would not be welcomed because I would be classified as a selective punter eg my golf bets were chapman selections and my horse bets by and large segal. taylor or gary nutting and mostly in good races.If I was betting everyday on rubbish races my account would still be open!
"If I was betting everyday on rubbish races my account would still be open! "- No it wouldn't.If you were beating SP,or if it looked like you knew what you were doing,and might show a profit,you would still be closed.
Can this be watched anywhere free? I.e youtube, sportinglife website etc?
The lack of overnight Liquidity on BF is simple to explain;
BF PC'd the "Seeders".
Their greed knows no bounds.
BF PC'd the "Seeders".
Their greed knows no bounds.
Both ATR & RUK could be presented better.
Seems the bookies have more more control over RUK, at least ATR put up the current exchange odds alongside the S.Ps Bet the bookies hate that.
I think both channels highlight how difficult finding winners is as it must be obvious to all
how unsuccessful the supposed experts are.
Both channels are good for a laugh but hopefully taking them seriously is just a phase the novice gambler goes through before he learns to stand on his own two feet because it is him or her who will be picking up the tab.
Seems the bookies have more more control over RUK, at least ATR put up the current exchange odds alongside the S.Ps Bet the bookies hate that.
I think both channels highlight how difficult finding winners is as it must be obvious to all
how unsuccessful the supposed experts are.
Both channels are good for a laugh but hopefully taking them seriously is just a phase the novice gambler goes through before he learns to stand on his own two feet because it is him or her who will be picking up the tab.
A good point made by moondan in respect of ATR putting up the exchange odds and RUK failing to do the same.
Morning sparrow.
Look at what those darstardly bookies are upto on my thread ref the fickos from the gambling commission
Look at what those darstardly bookies are upto on my thread ref the fickos from the gambling commission
nothinbutthetruth - thanks for the recommendation for the 'forked tongues' book. I have read it and I can certainly recommend it to other forumites.
Not before time this topic was aired in public both via this book and in the RUK studio by Lydia and Steve.
Not before time this topic was aired in public both via this book and in the RUK studio by Lydia and Steve.
Wimbledon regular- I agree the book is a good read I especially
enjoyed the cartoons which accompanied a well written book
exposing these wasters.
enjoyed the cartoons which accompanied a well written book
exposing these wasters.
I assume PW and the rest of the racing media/tipsters etc have not been restricted or accounts closed. Is this in return for not challenging the PRs? If so it is very disappointing to say the least.
rayman - that could only have been a rhetorical question!
The whole scabby treatment of punters by bookmakers has been conducted by suppression of information to the general public.
The whole scabby treatment of punters by bookmakers has been conducted by suppression of information to the general public.
nothinbutthetruth - agree - just a shame that nothing is likely to change.
There needs to be a body who challenge the bookmakers practices and the Gambling Commission are neither interested nor understand the issues.
There needs to be a body who challenge the bookmakers practices and the Gambling Commission are neither interested nor understand the issues.
I do not know many faces in the game but I do know a very well known newspaper tipster who enjoys a pint when he comes down and spends time in his holiday home.
We often discuss snooker and racing.
I asked him what his average bet was, "Oh I don't bet" he said "Not many of us do, it complicates the issue"
I still have to laugh at that.
We often discuss snooker and racing.
I asked him what his average bet was, "Oh I don't bet" he said "Not many of us do, it complicates the issue"
I still have to laugh at that.
What about as many of us as poss emailing the morning line next Sat with the same theme 'Why is it that presenters do not challenges the PRs about getting on and how many customers have been restricted or had there accounts closed. I will do this for starters on Sat.
Moondam surprised your surprised that newspaper tipsters don't bet fairly obvious I would have thought make a good living from what they do why and would lose money let's be honest
Again about restricted odds and stakes pextra since nov 10th to £10 stakes are approx. -£750 yet odds are still reduced when selections are known.Surely bookies would be happy to accommodate any body to any stakes.At the moment only hugh taylor of the daily tipsters are in profit even though I can never get anywhere near rec odds.Segal is +£240 to £10 stakes and he is on a long losing run and his pextra sel are over -£250 to a tenner ihave not backed any of his pextra since last june
pextra winner at last I think its too little to save followers from ruin!
Moondan,
You following post described the situation succinctly;"I asked him what his average bet was, "Oh I don't bet" he said "Not many of us do, it complicates the issue"
Those that "can",do it.
Those that cannot, work for the Press.
You following post described the situation succinctly;"I asked him what his average bet was, "Oh I don't bet" he said "Not many of us do, it complicates the issue"
Those that "can",do it.
Those that cannot, work for the Press.
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