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Inexplicable horror show today at Gowran
Inexplicable horror show today at Gowran
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jockey to blame 100%....horse well out of his ground the whole way.
That's typical zaidpour though isn't it....another once upon a time world at his feet horse, that it just didn't happen for.
with all the winners mullins get,,i never get him right,,,blasted cursed trainer
big drift late 1.48 out to 1.65 close to off.
Beat halfway
Beat halfway
bet the winner to beat zaidpour last time out hard to see why he would be able to beat the fav so easy this time
Zaidpour was never at the races today, practically tailed off the whole way, vintage Walsh.
Basil you must clean up on here by the sound of things.
yes it happens but the big drift just b4 the off suggests some knew it was going to happen
Basil has the game by the balls
Any other jockey would have won on Zaidpour and prevented it going up and down on the spot.
Any other jockey would have won on Zaidpour and prevented it going up and down on the spot.
Off day?, you can sing that understatement from the rooftops, absolute shocker.
Will be interesting to see how this bumper horse runs.
Johnny Ward in the Post said the winner didn't stay last time. Never heard such tripe. Zaidpour beat Mala Beach that day cause it turned into a 3f sprint.
For all the success this combo have I still find them way too unpredictable, add to that the runners are always way over bet. I wouldn't want to be laying but can't bring myself to back them either.
it was not wanted and dragora too and note not even placed either
Whatever about Dogora(not the first time we've seen Ruby sit in front on aorse not doing much as the others passed him) Zaidpour was off the bridle too far out to say it was stopped, not by the jockey anyway.
they dont have to stopped by jockey , you ever hear saying not off a yard
Ruby squeezes his rides with his legs more than any other jockey, generally once he starts pushing the game is up.
Zaidpour was never going and the dog in Dogora is aptly named.
its amazing how the break blood vessels when odds on , jj o neill had horse other day that meant to done same when odds on , pure bull ****
was this its main target today or do you think their is another target to aim for and you needed to ask yourself that before the race
Mick, when a horse breaks a blood vessel it will feel as if it is drowning, not nice and it happens. Nothing sinister but the horse can just not breathe and operate.
you know fck all about everything, which takes some doing
Are you suggesting that they used fake blood Mick?
I backed the winner but I only done it for a place , I some how did not think the fav wd be primed with festivle races around the corner give lumps off weight in bog like conditions , the horse ran miles below form , always looked in trouble from half way ,and was struggling too catch up with the 2 leader , already beat the winner , I went for value not a cent on the win , but frustrating as it is , I wd not have been happy if I had backed the fav , very poor run indeed !
Zaidpour was getting badly outpaced from halfway though Bigmart and ran over 20lb below his form. He only ran 26 days ago, if he had an injury and missed some work then it has been kept quiet.
One would imagine that bleeding into the lungs must be detrimental to performance, but there is little evidence of this. Severely affected racehorses that finish with a nosebleed do appear to show reduced performance (although the occasional one wins). If, however, there is no visible bleeding and the haemorrhage is only discernible by endoscopy, the picture is far less clear
and most studies have not shown this lower level of bleeding to be clearly associated with poor performance.
Intriguingly, in a study of horses endoscoped because of disappointing performance, we have so far found that not only are poor performers no more likely to bleed than a random group of racehorses, but there is actually a slight trend for them to bleed less. This finding is supported by a study performed in the USA. This does not mean that EIPH improves performance, but it is more likely that horses who perform poorly place slightly less strain on their pulmonary blood vessels.
Trainers often request that horses are examined endoscopically after racing to determine whether they have bled, but I have concerns about the value of this. Since the prevalence of EIPH is so high, especially in older racehorses, discovering that a horse has had a mild to moderate bleed is of little value. In our racecourse survey, around four out of five racehorses aged four or more had EIPH, mostly graded three or four on the five-point scale.
Discovering, therefore, that a four-year-old horse has grade four EIPH after finishing last is of little value — there is a good chance that the winner will have bled as severely!
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horse-care/vet-advice/understanding-nosebleed...
and most studies have not shown this lower level of bleeding to be clearly associated with poor performance.
Intriguingly, in a study of horses endoscoped because of disappointing performance, we have so far found that not only are poor performers no more likely to bleed than a random group of racehorses, but there is actually a slight trend for them to bleed less. This finding is supported by a study performed in the USA. This does not mean that EIPH improves performance, but it is more likely that horses who perform poorly place slightly less strain on their pulmonary blood vessels.
Trainers often request that horses are examined endoscopically after racing to determine whether they have bled, but I have concerns about the value of this. Since the prevalence of EIPH is so high, especially in older racehorses, discovering that a horse has had a mild to moderate bleed is of little value. In our racecourse survey, around four out of five racehorses aged four or more had EIPH, mostly graded three or four on the five-point scale.
Discovering, therefore, that a four-year-old horse has grade four EIPH after finishing last is of little value — there is a good chance that the winner will have bled as severely!
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horse-care/vet-advice/understanding-nosebleed...
Angel I don't think this horse takes a lot off racing I rem a few years back it won a couple then a poor race , then bounced , back seams to run better fresh , agree it did run miles below form today m8
I backed Zaidpour - nothing wrong with the ride, was just a disappointment peformance. The horse has had a tendency in the past to put in a poor effort.
It`s never bounced as bad as today, if you look throughout it`s career you could say it was beaten by very good horses even if it did bounce. Today it finished sandwiched between 2 horses rated no better than 130 only giving them 7lb.
Something more amiss than a 26 day bounce.
Something more amiss than a 26 day bounce.
What never ceases to really amaze me is how the stables runners run almost in complete conjuction with the betting ,
amzing , drifted just before the off , very strange indeedy
amzing , drifted just before the off , very strange indeedy
Interesting silvergreaser. My experience being around horses and vets is very different. The view was that a horse that had bled from the nose would have raced with a clear disadvantage. Small internal bleeding is common and not as detrimental is a widely held view.
Just thought I'd put it out there NWK, when you hear that a horse broke a blood vessel there is a very good chance it had little or no effect on its performance.
He gets worse as season progresses also. His record is something like 2/14 post December!
good point silver , i think we are going to get a lot of odds on pulled by various trainers , the industry will bite back to recoup losses from curley and who is going to take the hit joe bloggs
Mick, Rubys favourite excuse is "the horse made a respiratory noise" the excuse he used for the stinking run of Sarabad recently and Chiltern Hills at the beginning of the month, of course both horses were post race normal even though they ran as if they were carrying 20 stone overweight.
silver they do what the want now and the ruby linked to the paddy power now , you could not write it
If the case is severe enough to cause a nosebleed the horse usually runs below form.
One would imagine that bleeding into the lungs must be detrimental to performance, but there is little evidence of this. Severely affected racehorses that finish with a nosebleed do appear to show reduced performance (although the occasional one wins). If, however, there is no visible bleeding and the haemorrhage is only discernible by endoscopy, the picture is far less clear
and most studies have not shown this lower level of bleeding to be clearly associated with poor performance.
Intriguingly, in a study of horses endoscoped because of disappointing performance, we have so far found that not only are poor performers no more likely to bleed than a random group of racehorses, but there is actually a slight trend for them to bleed less. This finding is supported by a study performed in the USA. This does not mean that EIPH improves performance, but it is more likely that horses who perform poorly place slightly less strain on their pulmonary blood vessels.
Trainers often request that horses are examined endoscopically after racing to determine whether they have bled, but I have concerns about the value of this. Since the prevalence of EIPH is so high, especially in older racehorses, discovering that a horse has had a mild to moderate bleed is of little value. In our racecourse survey, around four out of five racehorses aged four or more had EIPH, mostly graded three or four on the five-point scale.
Discovering, therefore, that a four-year-old horse has grade four EIPH after finishing last is of little value — there is a good chance that the winner will have bled as severely!
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horse-care/vet-advice/understanding-nosebleed...
One would imagine that bleeding into the lungs must be detrimental to performance, but there is little evidence of this. Severely affected racehorses that finish with a nosebleed do appear to show reduced performance (although the occasional one wins). If, however, there is no visible bleeding and the haemorrhage is only discernible by endoscopy, the picture is far less clear
and most studies have not shown this lower level of bleeding to be clearly associated with poor performance.
Intriguingly, in a study of horses endoscoped because of disappointing performance, we have so far found that not only are poor performers no more likely to bleed than a random group of racehorses, but there is actually a slight trend for them to bleed less. This finding is supported by a study performed in the USA. This does not mean that EIPH improves performance, but it is more likely that horses who perform poorly place slightly less strain on their pulmonary blood vessels.
Trainers often request that horses are examined endoscopically after racing to determine whether they have bled, but I have concerns about the value of this. Since the prevalence of EIPH is so high, especially in older racehorses, discovering that a horse has had a mild to moderate bleed is of little value. In our racecourse survey, around four out of five racehorses aged four or more had EIPH, mostly graded three or four on the five-point scale.
Discovering, therefore, that a four-year-old horse has grade four EIPH after finishing last is of little value — there is a good chance that the winner will have bled as severely!
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horse-care/vet-advice/understanding-nosebleed...
Selective slabster very selective just to spite me I presume.
Not at all Silver I assure you, just that it looked as if some people had only read what was emboldened.
If blood can be seen, chances are it effected performance.
If blood can be seen, chances are it effected performance.
015C John Mulhern Galmoy H'dle
The Turf Club Veterinary Officer examined Zaidpour (FR), trained by W.P. Mullins, at the request of the Stewards and reported the animal to be post race normal. Samples were taken for analysis.
015F PMF Accountants Beginners S'chase
W.P. Mullins, trainer of Dogora (FR), reported to the Stewards' Secretaries that his charge burst a blood vessel.
Now it was not the Turf Club vet who reported to the stewards but the trainer which imo leaves his diagnosis open to scepticism, as we know trainers would say just about anything.
The Turf Club Veterinary Officer examined Zaidpour (FR), trained by W.P. Mullins, at the request of the Stewards and reported the animal to be post race normal. Samples were taken for analysis.
015F PMF Accountants Beginners S'chase
W.P. Mullins, trainer of Dogora (FR), reported to the Stewards' Secretaries that his charge burst a blood vessel.
Now it was not the Turf Club vet who reported to the stewards but the trainer which imo leaves his diagnosis open to scepticism, as we know trainers would say just about anything.
That's a fair point, but I don't see why he'd make it up.
But even if he was telling the truth slabster it doesn't mean going by the article that it would definitely have had an adverse effect on the horses performance.
Too many things are excepted as fact in racing.
Too many things are excepted as fact in racing.
The article would however seem to suggest that a severe case (blood coming from the nose) would probably result in a reduced performance.
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