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Some generous soul has just payed 2K for Chelt Tatts 75.
I am truly flabberghasted. If you Gave me 2k and said there's the pitch.. go and trade it.. I'd stay at home! :(
I am truly flabberghasted. If you Gave me 2k and said there's the pitch.. go and trade it.. I'd stay at home! :(
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Last pick can sometimes be infinitely better than some in the middle !!
Please tell me you are being ironic with regards to Cheltenham tatts demo. I managed to sell number 46 fortunately as I had already decided that I wasn't going again, whether it sold or not.
Sarcastic rather than ironic, before you correct me. The irony is that the badge charged to such a pitch is at 'premium' rates 
Best Guess is Stratford Rails pick 7,Reached reserve of £4000
Not worth a £1000 in my view
Not worth a £1000 in my view
unless of course the bidder knows something we don't
Stratford rails probably the worst positioned in the country.. along with Epsom. Of course, if they were to relocate them.... 
.... there would be an absolute riot amongst the other books.
Stratford have a good relationship with the bookmakers. An individual tried to get the rails relocated before without success as the only reason was their personal gain at the expense of everyone else and the track management wouldn't have it.
they could move them to 1234 in tatts and nobody would do anything.
wassy im fed up with being told what a good relationship we have with the courses.they say jump and we say how high.ive completely given up.we had the best year weve ever had last year but if it wasnt for my wife wanting to work id walk away.we just roll over time and time again.
Stratford is different regit to be fair. At the bookmakers meeting the management asked us what we'd like to do with the marketing fee money to promote the ring. They try to help us where they can, I have no problems with them. That puts them on a list on one out of all the courses I attend that I can say that about.
racecourses rule ribero.could you believe how bad wethrby was on saturday.nice day but £16 to get in.race 3 just summed it up.very little info about the stewards cos they were judging the best xmas jumper competition.ive not been to that meeting before and in future apart from cheltenham i will not be going out in jan or feb.how the bad picks make it pay is amazing.respect to anybody who has a go but do they actually make a profit.
wassy i know your clued up on rules etc.
cheltenham badge on jan 1st its 7 or 8 times cos of attendance.this year cos of worst weather ever(couldnt build joint so came home)crowd 55% of usual how does it work for next year.
wouldnt happen in a hundred years but wouldnt it be nice if cheltenham wrote to books who bet and thanked them and returned 2 times entry cos of attendance.would have been the perfect meeting for everyone to say NO THANKS and left them to it.
cheltenham badge on jan 1st its 7 or 8 times cos of attendance.this year cos of worst weather ever(couldnt build joint so came home)crowd 55% of usual how does it work for next year.
wouldnt happen in a hundred years but wouldnt it be nice if cheltenham wrote to books who bet and thanked them and returned 2 times entry cos of attendance.would have been the perfect meeting for everyone to say NO THANKS and left them to it.
i guess when the buyer is revealed then we will all have an opinion if they have paid too much for it or have a potential bargain
I'm not really clued up at all regit. All I go on is the contracts. I can't imagine one years' attendance based on the worst weather (even for Cheltenham) in living memory is a basis for reducing the badge next year. I agree though that if I was in charge I would do as you suggested as a gesture of good will and thanks. Suppose it depends on how the management view us at that track.
intheknow if a ladbrokes pitch didnt reach reserve would they be able to sell it for less than the underbidder to someone else or would they have to be able to justify it to the shareholders cos some of the pitches that wont reach the reserve have some high bids.eg catterick flat.
regit
your best Christmas jumper competition isn't as daft as what we had to put up with at Sedgefield on Friday.
the announcer announced 15mins before the last race that the stewards had given permission for the last hurdle to be omitted.
it was a bumper.
your best Christmas jumper competition isn't as daft as what we had to put up with at Sedgefield on Friday.
the announcer announced 15mins before the last race that the stewards had given permission for the last hurdle to be omitted.
it was a bumper.
REGIT IF A RESERVE IS 4K .....AND IT REACHES 2800 THEY ARE ALLOWED TO OFFER IT TO THE PERSON THAT BID 2800 ...IF THATS WHAT U MEANT
SHOULD THE BIDDER BE A COMMISSION AGENT WHO REPRESENTS ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS ON A COMMITTEE(ILLUMINATI,)THEN DONT BE SHOCKED WITH THE IMPENDING ANNOUNCEMENT THAT DUE TO "HEALTH AND SAFETY" "UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES"EXT EXT,THE RAILS WILL BE REPOSITIONED
foxy, yes I heard that too and found it a strange announcement. However, when you saw the race, they actually bypassed what would have been the last hurdle, so they were sort of right
intheknow
by the time they approached that stage of the race I was looking at the sky hoping for an act of god so I never noticed.
by the time they approached that stage of the race I was looking at the sky hoping for an act of god so I never noticed.
IT ALWAYS MADE ME CHUCKLE THAT UNDER THE OLD NJPC CERTAIN BOOKMAKERS ALWAYS USED TO BUY JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME,AND SELL JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME,IT REALLY WAS UNCANNY,ANYBODY OBSERVING WOULD THINK THEY WERE GETTING THEIR CARD MARKED
IN OTHERWORDS THE MINORITY FKKIN THE MAJORITY
JOHNNY,I SMELT A RAT WHEN U OFFERED ME YOUR HEREFORD PITCH FOR A BOX OF CRUNCHIES
YEAH BUT WEHEN U WEAS THINKING ABOUT IT ...I SAID GO ON THEN ILL CHUCK FOLKESTONE IN AS WELL
no johny i meant if the reserve was 20,000 and the underbid was say 17,000 could they sell to someone else for less than the 17,000 privately or would the fact they have shareholders stop this.
WHY WOULD THEY GOE TO SOMEBODY WITH ABID LESS THAN 17 WHEN THEY HAVE A 17 ON THE TABLE
Possibly, Johhny, because the 'bid' of 17K was 'moody'?! 
didnt phrase that very well.meant if someone was prepared to match the underbidder.as an underbidder (not in this case but generally)do you have to buy if the seller says yes even though you havent matched the reserve.
Regit,Wetherby was hopeless,31 books in tatts,last year was bad but like you I thought the weather may improve things a little,so you could say this meeting has peaked!
regit, if you bid 17k the vendor can take it even if it hasn't reached reserve. Your bid is binding.
Wasnto - what was wrong with your chelt tatts pick 46, paddy power saturday looked ok last year , wouldnt champion hurdle day and gold cup day be decent?
Davy - we bet in tatts for over 20 years. In the end it when it came to my pick there wasn't any pitch I wanted to bet in so that was the time to turn it in. The last gold cup day we bet there we stood in the middle of the 2nd line and fielded £250 on the foxhunters :O
And a mediocre pitch in the Best Mate by comparison takes what wassy ?
Surely you would be fielding a few grand on the big races from that pitch, i know the hcaps and foxhunters can be a bit tricky.
ITS OFFICIAL,CHELTENHAM TATTS AINT WORTH TWO BOB,FRIEND OF MINE BET ON THE FRONT LINE GOLD CUP DAY AND HELD 9K,IF I COULDNT HOLD THAT ON ANY SATURDAY AT HEXHAM ID RAP UP,JUST YORK TATTS (OR THE EMPERORS NEW CLOTHES)TO BE FOUND OUT NOW
Was taking less than 5 grand all day Davy. Also at very small margins. With the ex's just not worth it.
WASNOT,I SUSPECT THE SAME AT YORK,ALTHOUGH NO DOUBT ALL WILL BE REVEALED ONCE U HAVE SOLD
Is it possible to say how much % approx. the value of pitches has dropped over the last 10 years,rails and ring.
During the last 10 years both online,and exchange betting have really come to the fore,not to mention other things,so was wondering how much this has impacted on the value of pitches.
I understand that some key picks may have actually increased,but what is the overall picture,bearing in mind that there are only so many top picks?
Answers appreciated,thanks in advance.
During the last 10 years both online,and exchange betting have really come to the fore,not to mention other things,so was wondering how much this has impacted on the value of pitches.
I understand that some key picks may have actually increased,but what is the overall picture,bearing in mind that there are only so many top picks?
Answers appreciated,thanks in advance.
If ever there was an argument for a graduated badge fee to be introduced with immediate effect then Cheltenham Tatts is it.......
If ever there was an argument for a graduated badge fee to be introduced with immediate effect then Cheltenham Tatts is it.......
If ever there was an argument for a graduated badge fee to be introduced with immediate effect then Cheltenham Tatts is it.......
RR,YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME,ILLUMINATI WANTED PEOPLE LIVING IN A 50K TERRACE HOUSE TO PAY THE SAME AS SOMEONE LIVING A 2 MILLION POUND MANSION UNTIL THE POLL TAX RIOTS,NOW WE HAVE THE BAND SYSTEM(GRADUATED BADGE FEE),I SUPPOSE WE COULD RISE UP AND HAVE THE CHELTENHAM RIOTS,BUT IT DOESNT HAVE THE SAME RING
I'm sure the negotiators will be in favour - the worse pick you've got the more you pay !!!
The only books that want graduated badge fees are the ones who've put phuck all in and have the least to lose
AS OPPOSED TO THE ONES THAT AGREED TO A MARKETING FEE WHO WERE **** SCARED OF LOSING EVERYTHING!
the truth hurts
remember saying this before, been racing for many years the bookmakers have always thought of one thing THEMSELVES always have always will.
remember saying this before, been racing for many years the bookmakers have always thought of one thing THEMSELVES always have always will.
Where did it all go wrong fact, the Illummanti were supposed to be the only people on track by now...... taking all the turnover going and throwing it all back on here for a bigger guaranteed profit............. instead record numbers of books are turning up going bigger than the machine offering a proper service to the small number of paying customers still attending the track associations have lost all but a small amount of credibility and individual negotiations by pitcholders with racecourses direct have now taken precedent....
545APG - that just is not true ! Answer the question 'do you think the system is fair ?'. The stock answer of 'you know the situation when you buy the pitch' just will not do. I know this issue has been debated many times on here but I repeat 'Is it fair ?'.
WELL FOR A START THE MARKETING FEE AGREED TO BY ILLUMINATI WAS A STEP(OR SO THEY THOUGHT)TO GET RID OF THE SMALLER BOOKMAKER,WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT ITS DONE QUITE THE OPPOSITE,MORE BOOKS FEEL THEY ARE OBLIGED TO TURN UP AT MORE MEETS AFTER PAYING THIS TOTAL RIP OFF!
Wassy it's not really a 14 next to the Jan look closely it says 13
Fact can you confirm if there is any truth in the rumour that as a result of the Marketing Fee not reducing the number of books in attendance that they have have turned to the major petrol retailers to lobby for an extra 20p a litre on all types of fuel.....
WASNOT,YEP I GET THAT FEELING EVERYTIME OUR NEGOTIATORS REACH A DEAL WITH THE RACECOURSES!
RRIM SURE THE ILLUMINATI WILL TRY SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE
IM SURE THE ILLUMINATI WILL TRY SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE
DEMOCRAT,BEING FAIR DOESNT EVEN REGISTER WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE BEING MOST OF EM HAVE THE SKIN OF A DINOSAUR!
You are quite right to do so wassy - Happy New Year to you and yours by the way. In the absence of a response hitherto may I be allowed to try to answer my own question ( no need to call the chaps in white coats - yet !! ). The brief answer is 'No - it is not fair'. Cast your mind back to pre pitch sales and in particular before exchanges existed and perhaps you can maintain that the system worked perfectly well then but why doesn't it now ? More to the point in those 'golden days' the system could even have been considered to be fair or more accurately fairer. Terms and conditions have changed radically since then, of course, especially for the lower ( inferior ) picks. Turnover has reduced, one of the main contributory reasons being that superior picks no longer hedge with the back lines of the ring and badge fees amonst other costs have, thanks to the agreements put in place, increased making life for those with moderate picks even more challenging. The case for the defence is ?
ALL ILUMINATI ARE INSTRUCTED NOT TO DEFEND THEIR BELIEFS/ACTIONS WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF A SOLICITOR
some firms like wassy have plenty of money still to spend
You never turn up bbc2. Thought I would take up the slack!
Sassy won't just buy any old crap that comes up.
IT WILL ALL BALANCE IT SELF OUT IN THE LONG RUN CHILDREN
65 Lots for sale currently in Live Auctions!
There'll be another one soon,
Racecourse: Cartmel Ring: Course
37
Should make loads!
There'll be another one soon,
Racecourse: Cartmel Ring: Course
37
Should make loads!
How much in a private sales below cartmel pitch
Oh mighty tipster
Oh mighty tipster
wasnto - would say pick 40 cheltenham best mate is better than pick 50 tatts on that basis?
Stephen Little's publication on sale prices made very interesting reading showing how in most cases values, over the years, had depreciated. Some of those who sold all their portfolio at the earliest opportunity without doubt made a killing yet there are some instances of individual pitches being worth a lot more now than they were sold for at that time. One reason for the latter can be explained by the creation of new areas which has favoured a few and disadvantaged many.
Best time to sell was probably about 18 months in,those who sold straight away did ok on some but lost on others plus they had about 15% commission at that time.
Agreed ribero plus for some, i.e those with many pitches, the penny had not dropped as to how to put them into the auction. By that I mean singly or in 'geographical groups. Some simply entered one or two lots consisting of many pitches which immediately excluded some potential bidders and created a situation ripe for opportunists with the necessary resources - we mustn't mention ay names of course.
THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG IN THAT IS THERE DEMMO ...IT WAS THE FAULT OF HE VENDOR....................AS FOR NOT MENTIONING ANY NAMES FOR FKS SAKE DONT YOU GET BRAVE
Got a message in a bottle ! Asked me how the dominoes match went this week ? I agree regarding the vendor point Johnny - an expensive mistake to make though !
wasnot - thanks, im looking for another "bargain" on the agt site but cant seem to find anything!!!! Apart from Chelt tatts pitches by the dozen (picks 40-70).
NEVER MIND THE DOMINOES HOWS THE PING PONG GO IS HE CHAMPION YET
That reminds me if Skinto asks if you fancy playing him for money don't fall for it - he's Norfolk's finest ! Not to be confused with Norfolk's No. 1 !!!
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