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While the BHA identified nine other trainers who used the drug, no charges were brought because there were no positive samples and the treatments were advised and administered by vets and fully recorded to medical records.
However this loophole was closed at the end of last month with the BHA amending its rules so that from December 1 a trainer may be charged if certain prohibited substances are administered to horses in their care or control, without the requirement for a positive sample to have been obtained. Translates to - depends who you are and who you know. |
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""Translates to - depends who you are and who you know.""
Totally agree, MagicD. |
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Maybe legal advisers also a factor .
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Kelly - in what way?
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So if you shoot someone with a gun and write it down its ok. Or if no one sees you doing it its grand. Five years for one and the others get off scot free!
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The severity of the punishment here is because he was bullsh*tting all along about Sungate being the treatment in question.
Not much sympathy here, i'm afraid. |
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In fact, make that no sympathy. He's bang to rights.
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LOL @ Dr G
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pretty scathing comments against him there.
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injecting his own horses with ilegal drugs, taken at face value the punishment looks right from what i've read and heard so far.
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Used a drug not designed for equine use, paid for by himself, administered by himself, and then covered it up to the extent of not even informing the vet what he had administered.
Still had the cheek to try and play the sympathy card with the public when he got caught. |
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Dr I dont know the ins and outs of it but it appears harsh considering the others escaped any censure considering the effect on the horses was the same. You say he paid for the drug himself. I dont get the significance of this - are you saying someone else paid for the drugs used by the other trainers (including Al Zarooni)!!!
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He bought a product not designed, and untested, for use on horses (not Sungate)
Paid for it himself (in order to cover it up) Administered it himself, including using junior stable staff who wouldn't question him (in order to cover it up) Didn't tell the vet what he'd given them (in order to cover it up) And you think it's harsh? What a load of b*llocks. |
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Arklearkle; the other trainers horses were not found to be testing positive on the 2nd test.
Butler's failed consistently, if you read the BHA report section 6.1-6.7 it makes it v clear how naughty he has been & the deception was deliberate |
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You have not answered my question re who paid for the other trainers drugs. I dont really consider it harsh but relative to how the others have been treated I find it a bit strange.
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But still, no matter what he did, the BHA knew in February he was up to no good. They thought it was only Sungate, so no drama? Yet Zarooni wiped inside a week for 8 years. Butler allowed to train on for doing the same thing in their eyes, found to be much worse, and only wiped out for 5, after nearly 12 months of training horses after being caught?
It is all ridiculous really. The amount we know has nothing on what we aren't being told. |
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You have not answered my question re who paid for the other trainers drugs.
You are missing the point. He paid for them himself, in order to not raise flags about what he was administering to his horses. This is entirely at odds with his initial public statements trying to make out he was just caught up in the Sungate issue like everyone else, and an example of just how underhanded he has been in this entire matter. |
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If the horses treated illegally with Sungate won afterwards should they keep their winnings?
In reply to Dr Gonzo I suggest, from what I have heard, that Butler knew vets were applying Sungate and purchased what he thought was a similar item and saved money by applying it himself and not employing a vet. A totally different scenario AZ. We should be told who the other vets are because while we are being treated like fools we cannot know that justice is seen to be done. |
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*other trainers (not vets).
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Brig that is my point - justice should always appear to be done. I would hardly recognise Gerard Butler if he came into the room where I am now so I have no hidden agenda.
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In reply to Dr Gonzo I suggest, from what I have heard, that Butler knew vets were applying Sungate and purchased what he thought was a similar item and saved money by applying it himself and not employing a vet.
He administered the significantly stronger Rexogin to the horses himself, then allowed those horses to be treated further by vets, without them having any knowledge of what he had given them. |
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Oh, and 'he purchased what he thought was a similar item'?
Yes, if I owned a horse and I was looking for some medication for it, my first port of call would be a website aimed at bodybuilders. |
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it would be extremly naieve to think that only Zarooni & Butler where/are at it
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So does the stable continue with one of his team at the helm?
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is he married?
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married &
kids |
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I didn't say where he got them Dr. Where do you get them except vets? If the use of Stanozolol improves horses then we should know the facts about what trainers and horses were involved. Something doesn't fit. I cannot remember anything like it.
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If the use of Stanozolol improves horses then we should know the facts about what trainers and horses were involved.
I don't disagree. None of that changes the fact that Butler knew exactly what he was up to, and has been punished accordingly. The whole 'saving money' excuse is a complete crock of sh*t, and was recognised by the BHA as such. |
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And let's not forget - this punishment is as much about a distinct lack of care towards the welfare of the horses under his care than it is about the potential performance enhancement.
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He bought the drug that he injected into the horses' knees (without the knowledge of a vet) over the internet!
Would anyone on here in his right mind buy medicines over the internet and administer them to themselves or to an animal? He shouldn't be allowed within a hundred yards of a horse ever again. |
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I am not defending GB, even the press have been surprised with the details, but why are the racing press not asking the questions ffs? If Stanozolol improves horses what the f u ck is going on?
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Rogg you don't know what experience he had, do you?
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but why are the racing press not asking the questions ffs?
Errm... |
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Rogg you don't know what experience he had, do you?
"He accepted that he was not used to dealing with the glass vials of drugs and found them difficult to open and broke some vials and spilt Rexogin from others that he used." Sounds like just the sort of person who is well-trained in how to administer drugs to a horse... |
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Thanks,Dr. saved me having to respond.
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feel sorry for his wife and kids......but he aint much of a loss now is he......what did he ever do anyway.....fukk all.....
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Did the b do it?
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..disgusting behaviour.....despicable......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/25211486 ..banged to rights....no excuses.....lucky it was only 5 years...... sickening.......wonder what other dreadful practices are hidden from the public by the horsey community who we are always told have the horses best interests at the forefront of their minds... ..and when anyone dares to question them....although the racing journalists (I use the term very very loosely) will never do.... ..the only reply is you are not a horsey person and don't concern yourself with things you don't understand. sickening. |
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I know it involved less horses than Al Zarooni but in my view it appears Butler's actions were worse. So why does Al Zarooni get eight years and Butler only five years?
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