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5th Top Cees 5/1F 5-8-9 Mrs J R Ramsden 71 54 75 Kieren Fallon
Slowly into stride, held up, switched right well over 1f out, stayed on inside final furlong, never placed to challenge. Stewards officially told: Jockey told to hold horse up to get the trip, but was unable to make a late run as the gaps did not appear ----------------- The Nosebanded horse - in the middle of the second group, a furlong, or so, from home. Red, Black Spots - number 12. |
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The ride at Musselburgh over Hurdles made that one look like it was trying for its life at Newmarket!
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Ironically the gaps did appear and almost ruined things for him and he previous to that could have pulled around runners from further out anyway but he decided to take the horse to the inside to ensure he didn't get a run and even then the gaps started to reappear.
The slaps were due to him knowing that he could only get as close up as possible to the ones in front and go no further and could have achieved that without them anyway but still made it look like he was trying. |
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The 'giveaway' being - him almost 'stood up in the stirrups' - from the furlong and a half, to half a furlong, from home.
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Then we get the most popular winner ever of the Chester Cup
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIAtCfRLFgk |
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- and next time out ....
WINS the CHESTER Cup - "to a mixed reception." "There's going to be some ructions now, I can tell you," - says G Goode in commentary. |
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I could get over em pulling a stroke, but to sue showed the type of disgraceful people they were.
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Jolly Jack Ramsden,what a loveable character (I don't think).
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What it does go to show,Saddo,is how it is nearly impossible to prove a "not off" on camera footage alone.
A Point a good few of the "certifiables on here never take into account when screaming "Foul". |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/60384.stm
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Talk about having your cake and eating it, vile stuff.
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Thommo
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And might also explain why those who are labelled the gravy train brigade by many on here aren't too keen to "get off the fence" as urged by those very same people and state that a ride was dodgy and a horse was pulled. It's all well and good some potless forum poster making the claim after losing 2 quid on here but a different thing entirely for someone in the media with a few bob and representing their employer saying the same thing.
As for Top Cee's connections suing, they really had no choice after the Sporting Life editorial went to print. |
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The only time I can remember any TV Pundit sticking his neck out was Francombe many years ago when showed footage of young Billie Worthington's ride on Wild Power at Taunton ( a more hideous Stop has never been seen,imo).
I was waiting for Francombe to offer some excuse when he stated,"he stopped It,simple"! |
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It won at some big prices did Top Cees and won at Cheltenham.
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If I remember correctly , there was almost silence in the winner's enclosure at Cheltenham after that day .
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Sorry; after that race .
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I'd forgotten how shocking the camera work was back then. The RP used to be full of letters complaining about close ups.
Obviously the message got home eventually. |
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That's the nature of the beast Handicaps that is.
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The only time I can remember any TV Pundit sticking his neck out was Francombe many years ago when showed footage of young Billie Worthington's ride on Wild Power
Francome also said "he jumped off" re Ice Saint. |
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He also said about the Irish race with the Charles Byrnes twosome, that the jockey on the 2nd "only had to cough to make it go past the other one"
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I was at Chester the day it won, crowd started booing in the last furlong, I hadn't a clue why!
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Amazingly G.GOODE never even spotted Top Cees for the last 3 furs ....
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strange the day of the Newmarket race ramsden had backed top cees in a multiple I don't think he thought it was going to be a non trier
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To be fair to Graham Goode if he was commentating off a monitor he woudn't have seen it. Thank God we don't have camera work like that anymore.
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Thank the big yogi in the sky we don´t have carp commentaries like that any more. By today´s standards Goode in particular and even O´Sullevan are terrible.
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heressomepratsonhere 18 Nov 13 16:32
strange the day of the Newmarket race ramsden had backed top cees in a multiple I don't think he thought it was going to be a non trier ---------- Can you substantiate that statement? - - and confirm the other horse(s) Linda Ramsden had only one other runner, that day - Fame Again - it finished 9th of 11. |
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You gotta be joking,we've had to put up with aussie jim for the last 6 or 7 years,prior to his retirement.he was abysmal,the gravy train means that they carry on far too long.
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If Jolly Jack backed Top Cees at Newmarket I will ride naked around Aintree,someprat!
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you´re right barrowboy, I forgot about him...and Hunty and Thompson.
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Just a mixed bag of observations here but if Jack Ramsden did include Top Cees in any multiple bets then there's nothing saying they all had to be trained by his wife. He might also have done bets from doubles plus that still made a profit regardless if Top Cees won or not or might even have been willing to take a loss on the day in the short term to make a profit in the long run next time.
My main observation though is Derek Thompson's claim that Kieren Fallon told he that Ramsden had told him in the paddock to stop the horse. I don't know about you but wouldn't you think if a jockey was under orders to stop one that he would be hearing about it a bit earlier than at the time he was about to be legged up for the ride? |
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50p yankee so he could say he backed it imo.
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It was also said they'd missed the price ima , guys who miss the price tend to want to teach the takers a lesson....
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Was at Pontefract one day when one of Linda Ramsdens horses was withdrawn by the vet (there had been money for it in the morning)...She went nuts, she was shouting at the vet and then slammed her handbag down on the floor on the shute near the winning post.......was a mega stropp
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It was also said they'd missed the price ima , guys who miss the price tend to want to teach the takers a lesson....
oh yes dont they just. |
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It was also said they'd missed the price ima , guys who miss the price tend to want to teach the takers a lesson....
oh yes dont they just. |
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ima_mazed
I have checked the Results for ALL races that day. Racing took place at just Newmarket, Wetherby, and Fairyhouse. There were No Winners who landed gambles - nor any with potential 'Jack-type'links to winners .... unless he had smashed into 7/4 Fav Lake Coniston, in the Abernant ...... Like everybody else.  |
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onlooker he did not just back his own horses at the time he was backing plenty of horses each day at the bigger meetings the morning of that day top cees was in a bet
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Someprat,
So,Fellon "stops" Top Cees at Newmarket against Jolly Jack's wishes and he keeps the ride at Chester? You have either made it up or have been told a utter tosh. End of debate. |