name ur, OVER / UNDER achievers: Trainers turf flat in 2013

James doyle massively and pointlessly over achieving with that Abdulla job.

Why anyone would want to trade the skills or Ryan Moore and Master Buick is BEYOND comprehension.

Total hype syrounding jimmy doyle who is no more than an average jockey..albeit still has potential and alot to learn.

I should have done a jockeys won..

Hahaha yeah...

i just seen over achieving and jumped in heheh oops

grrr jimmy doyle at 9 am in the morning

Maybe Moore storms off and refuses to talk to Abdulla.

maybe moore didnt want the job, his current job lets him ride a lot of good horses from other stables.

Marjorie Fife has had a good turf season. 11 horses - 6 have won; all bar one of her older horses have won (and that one was bought for £800 out of Cumani's), including a switcher from Ellison!

and an under ged... ?

I thought Robert Eddery would do better.

Over David O'Meara.........  Under Sir Mark Presscott

V is for Vendetta Delta. This is about the 5 or 6th time I have seen you post something negative about Miss Weaver.

Yard full? Pretty sure she rents 20 boxes and not had more than 10 in all year.
Top Owners? Colm White, Micheal Bringloe, Miss Amy Weaver, Nigel Hardy. Hardly Sheikh Hamdan or Qatar Racing
HQ post code? All the major training centres do as well as each other, no advantage being in HQ
1 winner? Yes but only 30 odd runners.

She has had winners in america in 2013 (&2012, 2011) , conveniently you have missed this off your analysis.

What is your problem with her? It is clearly very personal.

Over -Kevin Ryan

Under -Pat Eddery

Over-O'Meara, almost twice as many winners as his previous best.

Under-Tregonning (Yes, he is still training).

I don't think you can really count the Baronet as underachieving seems to be part of his game plan.

over-bernard/john llewellyn-considering location,standard of horse in yard do quite well.

under-brian meerkat meehan-havent a scooby do whats gone wrong with that yard.

over J Tate
under M Bell good trainer just poor horses this season

I take the under one back he didnt under achieve considering the poor horses he had and lets hope he hits the big time tomorrow again

Nick Littmoden seems a light of other days

Nick Littmoden seems a light of other days

Nick Littmoden seems a light of other days

under-M E E H A N wonder if that will work.

Over - The good Lady Cecil deserves a mention.
Under- Mark John Stone. Hundreds of well bred horses and no where near enough stakes winners.

Is that one meant for me?

OVER - Several already mentioned

UNDER -

CHANNON - although hardly a surprise

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UNDER - in perpetuity ...

SYLVESTER KIRK - rather like Richard Hughes ... But for being married to one of Hannon's daughters

JOHN HILLS - But for being the son of.

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For the FUTURE -

CHARLES HILLS - following in the footsteps ... of the BROTHER, not the Father

David Easterby - next year - NAP 1.01.

YOUNG Channon - When he takes over .... will be even worse

YOUNG JOHNSTON - see above.

your FUTURE ones look bang on onlooker...

Overachiever would be Ralph Beckett. Decent strike rate plus a Classic win.

Underachiever is Jeremy Noseda. Ridiculously poor returns given the quality of horses he gets.

overachiever - dean ivory
underachievers - mick channon/peter chapple-hyam

Ismail Mohammed on the up

Bell a good shout for the unders

no mention of Marcus Tregoning ? the underachiever of the decade , 4 turf winners with all those blue blood, shocking

13:07 hush'


and dont go putting up MHT after his winner and third yesterday!

the overachiever is always R.Hannon , i just don't know how they get away with it. just gotta feel for 'scapegoat' sheikh mo , trying to compete on a level playing field not too much to ask surely?

rolled back the years, no wouldn't dream of it because as we know (mainly due to his breeding empire) the horses he trains are very moderate.

still Tompkins training more turf winners then Tregoning is by far the surprise of the season to me. I like Marcus but what has been going on ? season long virus?

he's excited as he has a Motivator yearling and a Motivator [treve] won the ARC, rofl

Have to agree Tregoning pretty quiet since Sir Percy's days and for the Up and Coming trainers who've done brilliantly with limited purchasing power, I'd dead heat :

Jon Portman and Philip Kirby

Whilst Marcus Tregoning's figures have been woeful for a while now you can't do it without the horses. His number of inmates barely total 40 now and about only 3-4 are Hamdam's, with most of those being 2YOs and I would struggle today to name an outstanding horse from his yard.

Under achievers or maybe just a sign of the times in much the same way as Tregoning has where they have hit the heights in the past but now no longer have the horses would probably be Henry Candy, Paul Cole and David Elsworth. Over achievers would be maybe Marco Botti, Clive Cox, Dean Ivory and James Tate, depending on various methods of measuring that.

Yeah Marcus Tregoning is baffling to say the least , that man has been party to some of the finest training and horses ever seen , started pretty well and just imploded , tho giving away a guineas winner to the French wasn't the wisest

Micheal Bell hasn't developed like i thought he would either , whats gone wrong there , i always believe the best trainers find races for most horses

Over achiever i would say M Channon , but win by numbers keeps him there i suppose

over-- tracy waggott keith dalgleish